STOP POLITICIZING!!!!!

  • Mepark

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    Jan 09, 2011 11:58 PM GMT
    The gunman was not a Democrat, not a Republican, not tea party, not coffee party, NOT ANYTHING. stop politicizing events like this. I don't believe ordinary tea partyers, rush Limbaugh listeners, gay rights activists, atheists, etc. are capable of this time insanity that results from the things they hear and read everyday. Sure it's happened before, but let's not get a hold of ourselves and begin to call for lowering of the rhetoric, because that's code for goodbye freedom of speech. We will not allow an event like this to silence anybody, on ANY side of the political isle. Rush Limbaugh can spew all the hate he wants (if that's what it is) and we on here can freely attack back even harder. I bet this guy is a lunatic with no political affiliation and probably just a soulless anti-Semitic idiot. Just my hunch.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    He is an anti-semite. One of his favorite books was Mein Kompf. Congresswoman Giffords is Jewish. There's your motive. Another fucking neo-Nazi who is anti government.

    SOURCES:

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/09/new-details-emerge-on-the-life-of-jared-lee-loughner/
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/shooter-of-jewish-congresswoman-listed-mein-kampf-as-favorite-book-1.336025
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    The Communist Manifesto, eh? So much for being a "tea-bagger."
    Thanks for the info.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    Mepark saidThe Communist Manifesto, eh? So much for being a "tea-bagger."
    Thanks for the info.



    Not so fast.
    The shooter has been linked to an anti-semitic right-wing racist group called American Renaissance.
    An anti-semitic and racist group that is linked to the Tea Party.

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    Jan 10, 2011 12:18 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]southbeach1500 said[/cite]Mepark and JakeBenson,

    I agree with your point of view on this 100%.

    I posted 24 hours ago in the "Congresswoman Shot" thread and wrote that this is a very sad event and that I wouldn't be posting about it anymore there because I suspected it was going to quickly devolve into the loonies on the left blaming Republicans for this... and it has.

    It should be perfectly clear to EVERYONE that blaming one political party or the other, or to blame "talk radio" or "Fox News" is not only premature, but silly.

    And yes, it does seem that this lunatic's motivation was more based in anti-semitism rather than in support of Republican or Democrat policies.... But I'll take a "wait and see" approach on that.

    Hope that this thread doesn't get hijacked by the truly disturbed RJ members on here. And as I wrote in the other thread, this will be my last comment on this matter in this thread.




    ...because you're hoping that this tragedy will be quickly forgotten and the Teabagger Repubs will escape the blame they rightly deserve for their part in inciting this disturbed individual to hatred and violence.


    This shooter is THE ONLY "DISTURBED" individual.
    Being ANGRY at what happened yesterday is NOT being "disturbed".

    And being angry is entirely appropriate and legitimate.



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    Jan 10, 2011 12:18 AM GMT
    Mepark, methinks your epithet "soulless anti-Semitic idiot" is politicizing.

    Decompensated schizophrenics, exposed to various influences, will have different concoctions of paranoid theories. Idiot or not, they often don't do well in school because of their illness. This guy apparently has been exposed to the following influences (just to mention a few):
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

    The US Constitution (and the obsession with what's constitutional)
    Doing badly in class (leading to his fanatic insistence about being wronged by the US government and community colleges)
    Gun violence (and imagery)
    Government (and the obsession with its legality)
    Mind control (literary sources)
    ?input from an anti-Semitic group (to be confirmed)

    I leave you to contemplate on this:
    800px-Blind_monks_examining_an_elephant.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:21 AM GMT
    Thank you for posting this! Between rants at the club last night and every gay boy I know blowing up facebook with how they're convinced this guy is a republican tea bagger I'm losing my mind.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Mepark saidThe Communist Manifesto, eh? So much for being a "tea-bagger."
    Thanks for the info.



    Not so fast.
    The shooter has been linked to an anti-semitic right-wing racist group called American Renaissance.
    An anti-semitic and racist group that is linked to the Tea Party.



    Thanks for that. I'll look into it. But I meant he's hardly a conservative. Unless he lists the Communist Manifesto as a favorite for the sake of excitement from reading, then I conclude that's he's probably a left-winger when it comes to politics. Race and religion: probably to the right, but so are most anti-semites.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    AJeJr88 saidThank you for posting this! Between rants at the club last night and every gay boy I know blowing up facebook with how they're convinced this guy is a republican tea bagger I'm losing my mind.



    FYI - YOU are a "gay boy" too.
    Throwing contempt at your fellow gay MEN is NOT cool.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    Mepark said
    rickrick91 said
    Mepark saidThe Communist Manifesto, eh? So much for being a "tea-bagger."
    Thanks for the info.



    Not so fast.
    The shooter has been linked to an anti-semitic right-wing racist group called American Renaissance.
    An anti-semitic and racist group that is linked to the Tea Party.



    Thanks for that. I'll look into it. But I meant he's hardly a conservative. Unless he lists the Communist Manifesto as a favorite for the sake of excitement from reading, then I conclude that's he's probably a left-winger when it comes to politics. Race and religion: probably to the right, but so are most anti-semites.



    You need to check out what his views are on immigration.
    Hate-based.
    NOT AT ALL "left-winger".
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidMepark, methinks your epithet "soulless anti-Semitic idiot" is politicizing.

    Decompensated schizophrenics, exposed to various influences, will have different concoctions of paranoid theories. Idiot or not, they often don't do well in school because of their illness. This guy apparently has been exposed to the following influences (just to mention a few):
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

    The US Constitution (and the obsession with what's constitutional)
    Doing badly in class (leading to his fanatic insistence about being wronged by the US government and community colleges)
    Gun violence (and imagery)
    Government (and the obsession with its legality)
    Mind control (literary sources)
    ?input from an anti-Semitic group (to be confirmed)

    I leave you to contemplate on this:
    BlindMenElephant.jpg


    As pointed out by a collegue of mind, although he maybe mentally ill . Schizophrenics rarely are organized enough to pull off and plan these sorts of activities.

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    Jan 10, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    http://apt.rcpsych.org/cgi/reprint/12/4/239.pdf
    I'm no psychiatrist, but what I remember from med schools tells me otherwise.
    There's a wide range of behavior in schizophrenia, from organized paranoid thoughts to floridly decompensated psychotic behavior. This crime apparently has been planned for several months ahead of time, and there are hints that he's been sick since at least 2007 (when he was kicked out of the community college). Drug use (marijuana) probably didn't help. Maybe he had help from this hate-group that's suggested by a leaked DHS memo.

    In any case, I don't think he really have a cogent bent with his politics, if he had any to start with, since all I can discern is gibberish copied from today's always-on media.
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    Jan 10, 2011 12:45 AM GMT
    Mepark said
    Thanks for that. I'll look into it. But I meant he's hardly a conservative. Unless he lists the Communist Manifesto as a favorite for the sake of excitement from reading, then I conclude that's he's probably a left-winger when it comes to politics. Race and religion: probably to the right, but so are most anti-semites.


    I think his book list, including Mein Kampf and the Republic (about as "right-wing" as a classic could be), is evidence that he's listing them as a favorite for the sake of excitement from reading.

    And no, I don't think he's right wing either. I'm using the blind men and elephant story just to illustrate my point that we're all viewing the limited evidence with tainted glasses. No insult to Republicans and their elephant symbol.

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    Jan 10, 2011 1:25 AM GMT
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/us-politics/8249293/Jared-Lee-Loughner-mentally-unstable-dropout-who-had-met-Gabrielle-Giffords-before.htmlGabriella Carillo, another fellow student, said the 22-year-old had been an intelligent teenager who had grown up not wanting to apply himself.

    "If he tried, he would probably be at the top of our class," she said. "But he kind of just wasted his life. There are some guys who are just angry. I never really saw a smile on his face at all."


    How little the public knows about mental illness has a lot to blame. Here we have a classmate who gives evidence that he was reasonably bright as a teenager, and instead of thinking about his psychotic behavior, ascribes it to "not wanting to apply himself." (Heck, how many 22-year-olds have read Meno and the Republic?) No doubt the parents thought the same, and the marijuana is just one manifestation of his "not wanting to apply himself."

    Although the stats here are for bipolar disorder, it's probably relevant to college age schizophrenics:

    http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/000911.htmlGiven the apparent scope of the problem, there is a severe deficit of available information and awareness among students. Not only do many students not recieve education about mental health before beginning college, approximately half say that their college/university campus does not educate students either. Due to this lack of education and prevailing stigmas around mental health services, students continue to suffer in silence, and misconceptions about mental illness remain unchallenged. Some common beliefs about mental illness among parents and students include the following:

    -- Thirty-five percent of parents and 48 percent of students believe bipolar disorder is at least somewhat attributed to a character flaw or weak willpower.
    -- Fifty-five percent of parents and students somewhat believe that people with bipolar disorder should not be in positions of responsibility.
    -- More than 70 percent of parents and students would be uncomfortable to some extent if a close friend or family member was dating or marrying a person with bipolar disorder.
    -- Nearly one in four parents and students do not agree that untreated bipolar disorder can lead to suicide, but other studies show as many as 50 percent of people with untreated bipolar disorder attempt suicide at least once.
    -- More than one in four parents and students do not understand that untreated bipolar disorder can lead to contact with the criminal justice system, yet sources show that people with untreated mental illnesses spend twice as much time in jail.
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:28 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    AJeJr88 saidThank you for posting this! Between rants at the club last night and every gay boy I know blowing up facebook with how they're convinced this guy is a republican tea bagger I'm losing my mind.



    FYI - YOU are a "gay boy" too.
    Throwing contempt at your fellow gay MEN is NOT cool.


    You're a FAGGOT. How's that for being cool?icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
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    rickrick91 said
    AJeJr88 saidThank you for posting this! Between rants at the club last night and every gay boy I know blowing up facebook with how they're convinced this guy is a republican tea bagger I'm losing my mind.



    FYI - YOU are a "gay boy" too.
    Throwing contempt at your fellow gay MEN is NOT cool.


    You're a FAGGOT. How's that for being cool?icon_cool.gif



    Totally NOT.
    Can't we gay MEN all agree, no matter political affiliation, to NOT call each other belittling phrases like "faggot and "gay boy"?
    WTF is the matter with you?

    Flaming personal attacks are bad enough, but when they're anti-gay attacks, that's the worst of the worst.
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:42 AM GMT
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    Totally NOT.
    Can't we gay MEN all agree, no matter political affiliation, to NOT call each other belittling phrases like "faggot and "gay boy"?
    WTF is the matter with you?

    Flaming personal attacks are bad enough, but when they're anti-gay attacks, that's the worst of the worst.



    and your belittling phrases and attacks are ok?

    You are a fucking nutcase and you are a fucking homosexual with a lot of hate in your heart---

    so get the fuck over yourself----

    What the FUCK is the matter with you?icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
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    rickrick91 said

    Totally NOT.
    Can't we gay MEN all agree, no matter political affiliation, to NOT call each other belittling phrases like "faggot and "gay boy"?
    WTF is the matter with you?

    Flaming personal attacks are bad enough, but when they're anti-gay attacks, that's the worst of the worst.



    and your belittling phrases and attacks are ok?

    You are a fucking nutcase and you are a fucking homosexual with a lot of hate in your heart---

    so get the fuck over yourself----

    What the FUCK is the matter with you?icon_lol.gif



    Find JUST ONE comment I've ever posted on RJ where I posted the kind of ugly shit you just posted about me.
    I would NEVER call someone a "fucking nutcase"- like YOU did, or tell someone to "get the fuck over" himself.
    I don't stoop to ugly personal attacks or call people a "fucking nutcase" or a "faggot".
    And for anyone who does - like you - to whine and criticize someone who doesn't - like me - is totally unfair and hypocritical BS.
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    JAKEBENSON said
    rickrick91 said
    FYI - YOU are a "gay boy" too.
    Throwing contempt at your fellow gay MEN is NOT cool.

    You're a FAGGOT. How's that for being cool?icon_cool.gif

    How 'bout if you're getting drilled by a guy, long and hard, and he's coo'ing in your ear "yeah, faggot, you really like that doncha, fag...yeah, like that big dick up your gay-hole?" ...is that okay?

    'Cos I think that's okay...if he's coo'ing it softly. icon_lol.gif




    If you like it and you're both consenting adults - IT"S OKAY!
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    Jan 10, 2011 2:18 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said


    Find JUST ONE comment I've ever posted on RJ where I posted the kind of ugly shit you just posted about me.
    I would NEVER call someone a "fucking nutcase"- like YOU did, or tell someone to "get the fuck over" himself.
    I don't stoop to ugly personal attacks or call people a "fucking nutcase" or a "faggot".
    And for anyone who does - like you - to whine and criticize someone who doesn't - like me - is totally unfair and hypocritical BS.


    and your whining and criticizing is ok?
    You are nuts-----

    get the fuck over yourself---

    before you do yourself harm---
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    Jan 10, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
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    rickrick91 said


    Find JUST ONE comment I've ever posted on RJ where I posted the kind of ugly shit you just posted about me.
    I would NEVER call someone a "fucking nutcase"- like YOU did, or tell someone to "get the fuck over" himself.
    I don't stoop to ugly personal attacks or call people a "fucking nutcase" or a "faggot".
    And for anyone who does - like you - to whine and criticize someone who doesn't - like me - is totally unfair and hypocritical BS.


    and your whining and criticizing is ok?
    You are nuts-----

    get the fuck over yourself---

    before you do yourself harm---



    ANYONE has the right to "whine", or criticize - and express their opinion in these blogs.
    THAT"S WHAT THEY"RE FOR.
    But when people launch the kind of purely hateful personal attacks you did - that's out of line and ugly.
    You add nothing to the discussion of the topic if all you do, is check in to launch an ugly profanity laced personal attack against someone who's merely expressed an opinion you don't agree with.
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    Jan 10, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said

    You add nothing to the discussion of the topic if all you do, is check in to launch an ugly profanity laced personal attack against someone who's merely expressed an opinion you don't agree with.



    And you add somthing to the discussion? now that's fucking funny---


    Calling you out on your hate needs to be done. You may find it ugly and hurtful--but it is true----you have so much hate in your heart that it is scary.
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    Jan 10, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd yes, it does seem that this lunatic's motivation was more based in anti-semitism rather than in support of Republican or Democrat policies.... But I'll take a "wait and see" approach on that.

    I agree with you. I myself tend to believe he was inspired by right-wing hate rhetoric, that his disturbed mind twisted it into this murderous attack. Hence I continue to condemn such loose talk, because people like this are gonna be out there, and can be influenced by such things.

    Bu you remain correct. We do not KNOW, and can only guess at this point, perhaps to satisfy our own personal political agendas. I know yours, and you know mine, so we will leave it at that.
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    rickrick91 said

    You add nothing to the discussion of the topic if all you do, is check in to launch an ugly profanity laced personal attack against someone who's merely expressed an opinion you don't agree with.



    And you add somthing to the discussion? now that's fucking funny---


    Calling you out on your hate needs to be done. You may find it ugly and hurtful--but it is true----you have so much hate in your heart that it is scary.




    You can't "call out" someone on their "hate" by launching an ugly hatefilled personal attack.
    You just make yourself look like a hypocrite.

    And it's YOUR profane and extreme personal attack that is "scary".
    It's reminiscent of the extreme hate that we've seen pouring out of the Tea Partiers for the last year.

    I've watched it poured out onto Gabrielle Giffords here in her home district, for the last two years.
    It's been truly "scary".
    And dangerous.

    What I feel, is not hate.
    And it's not PERSONAL.
    It's anger.
    Anger at the extreme and reckless rhetoric that has gripped my state, and had such sad and tragic consequences.

    And anger at what's been done to my state by the AZ Republican party...
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110109/us_yblog_thelookout/after-shooting-worries-over-arizonas-reputation

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    Hehe....I just wanted to use that somewhere. He's so sexy, I wouldn't even be offended if he gave me the bird. icon_wink.gif