...e-mails to friends from last summer ... reveal her growing alarm at Loughner's strange and disruptive behavior in class.

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    "In early June, Lynda Sorenson, 52, had gone back to community college in Tucson in hopes of getting back on the job market. One of her classes was a basic algebra class--and one of her classmates was Jared Loughner, now identified by authorities as the man who killed six people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in a shooting rampage Saturday. Sorenson's e-mails to friends from last summer, provided to the Washington Post, reveal her growing alarm at Loughner's strange and disruptive
    behavior in class.



    From June 1, the first day of class:
    "One day down and nineteen to go. We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I'm not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon."

    From June 10:
    "As for me, Thursday means the end to week two of algebra class. It seems to be going by quickly, but then I do have three weeks to go so we'll see how I feel by then. Class isn't dull as we have a seriously disturbed student in the class, and they are trying to figure out how to get rid of him before he does something bad, but on the other hand, until he does something bad, you can't do anything about him. Needless to say, I sit by
    the door."

    From June 14:
    "We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird. I sit by the door with my purse handy. If you see it on the news one night, know that I got out fast..."

    The class's instructor, Ben McGahee, said in an interview Sunday that Loughner had been removed from class in its third or fourth week, because of repeated disruptions."

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    Interesting.
    It seem like he changed a lot in the last year or so, and became really scary in his behavior.
    I hope we find out what happened to change him.
    WHATEVER it was.

    This is deeply personal to me.
    I've seen Rep. Giffords savaged over and over again by verbal attacks from the Tea Partiers in this area over the last couple of years, and to have her be physically attacked has been a real blow.
    When I first heard about it - I heard that she was dead, and it hurt like Hell.
    I want to know why this happened.
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    I'm sorry, but this is so typical of our society. See a disruptive student? Get rid of him. Nothing is done to understand why he's disruptive or bizarre. If the teacher or the 52 year-old student had just taken a little effort to phone the guy's parents to find out if anything has been done, he might have been seen by a psychiatrist sooner.

    What about the high school counselor? Surely grades falling (as one of his former classmates) would have been cause for calling the parents?

    And I'm waiting with bated breath what the parents are going to say. Anybody living with their son should have seen the shrine in his backyard, and numerous other bizarre behavior.
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    It would seem that some who are truly beneath contempt would continue to try to make the facts fit to their narrative that this must be the fault of tea partiers or Sarah Palin - except it would seem the suspect has been fixated on Gifford since 2007:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html
    A safe at Mr. Loughner's home contained a form letter from Ms. Giffords' office thanking him for attending a 2007 "Congress on your Corner'' event in Tucson. The safe also held an envelope with handwritten notes, including the name of Ms. Giffords, as well as "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and what appeared to be Mr. Loughner's signature, according to an FBI affidavit.


    And then there's this:
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php
    ​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon. [...] She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."


    It is despicable and perverse how some would twist what is a tragedy and an attack on democracy for their own sick political ends. One need only look to the original threads of those who pointed to divisive political speech as being a motive or cause for this horrible attack including those who pointed the finger directly at Sarah Palin or other pundits. Meanwhile in all these claims only the right has violent supporters, Sarah Palin burned in effigy, the numerous open death threats at rallies against George W Bush and others has conveniently being ignored. As one professor noted, if the goal here is to bring civility to public discourse, a good place to start would be not to make up vicious lies about your political enemies.
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    Thanks for the link riddler.

    Here are some more clues to an undiagnosed schizophrenic (with Mr. Montanaro blaming it on drugs again):

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html?mod=wsj_share_twitterAlex Montanaro, who described himself as once having been one of "Jared's best friends" said his buddy was a good, smart kid who was close to his parents. "Throughout our time together all I saw was a normal, loving relationship," he said.

    But around the 10th grade, Mr. Loughner seemed to have "a mental downfall" following his break-up with a girlfriend, said Mr. Montanaro, who responded to questions via email.

    Mr. Loughner started acting strangely, Mr. Montanaro said, and "his friends changed from people like us to more, drug oriented people I suppose." He quit playing saxophone and was eventually ignored by his old friends. "Jared really became an outcast," he said.

    Friends say by his junior year Mr. Loughner used drugs and his grades slumped. He didn't return for his senior year.
    ...
    Mr. Loughner went "through a tagging phase" in 2009, said Mr. Montanaro, painting graffiti, using phrases from literature. He also would sit in unlocked cars, he said, until the night he was chased off by one car's apparent owner.
    ...
    Zach Osler, a high school friend, also noted Mr. Loughner's slide. During his sophomore and junior years, Mr. Loughner became "progressively more weird," Mr. Osler said. He described an erratic young man who would talk excitedly about his theories of "conscious dreaming"—but would also fall into unnerving, long stupors of silence and stare fixedly at his buddies.

    Mr. Osler, 22 years old, also said Mr. Loughner told him he was unhappy at home. Mr. Loughner's parents have been unreachable since the shooting.
    ...
    That interest might have triggered Mr. Loughner's first meeting with Ms. Giffords in 2007. Mr. Loughner said he asked the lawmaker, "How do you know words mean anything?" recalled Mr. Montanaro. He said Mr. Loughner was "aggravated" when Ms. Giffords, after pausing for a couple of seconds, "responded to him in Spanish and moved on with the meeting."

    Mr. Montanaro recalled his friend developed "a hate for government and just how everything was systematic...He thought government controlled people too much."


    [heck, if anything he sounds like a libertarian or anarchist]
    Responding to him in Spanish?! I'd like to hear what Loughner's recollection is of that incident.
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    As an aside Q - there's also this:

    "We're too quick to use "mental illness" as an explanation for violence."
    http://www.slate.com/id/2280619/pagenum/all/
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    [quote][cite]riddler78 said[/cite]
    And then there's this:
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php
    ​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon. [...] She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."



    Have you entertained the possibility that describing somebody who's leaning right socially and using the adjectives "liberal and politically radically" could just mean they disapprove of their behavior (e.g. drug use), not of their actual politics?
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    q1w2e3 said[quote][cite]riddler78 said[/cite]
    And then there's this:
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php
    ​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon. [...] She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."



    Have you entertained the possibility that describing somebody who's leaning right socially and using the adjectives "liberal and politically radically" could just mean they disapprove of their behavior (e.g. drug use), not of their actual politics?


    Absolutely - but I don't think that it has much to do with politics at all. This was a sick individual either looking for attention or simply off. But to attribute it to political meaning is futile. Is there any doubt that if this same classmate had said that this man was a tea partier and libertarian that this would have been posted as proof that Sarah Palin was finished and or Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh was to blame?

    I also don't know that it's fair to point the blame at others who "should have known" if there were no real direct signs of violence. Take someone who seems unhinged like RickRick. While everyone who has read any of his posts knows he seems deeply troubled/spouts venom with practically every post, if hypothetically, someone like him were to shoot someone, would we therefore all be to blame because we hadn't seen the signs? I am not saying that he will go out and shoot anyone, but practically all of us can point to one or two angry individuals we know in our lives who in all probability will live out their lives simply bitter and not violent.
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    Jan 10, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    Without a doubt this man was mentally imbalances and really it doesn't
    Matter anymore if he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia or manic depression
    The boat has already sailed on that issue
    He already killed and maimed people
    But is it political?

    Of COURSE it is

    He had delusions that government was controlling us through grammar
    Take a look at his YouTube videos he posted
    The evidence is right there
    Was he a card carrying member of the republican party? NO
    But he was imbalanced enough to listen to and believe the ranting of our friend Glenn Beck and company who is CONSTANTLY CONSTANTLY harping on governmental control
    That is undeniable
    Chalkboard and all


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    Jan 10, 2011 6:16 PM GMT
    It is very easy to point the finger at Sarah Palin. Look at the internet sanitation she did immediately by removing all images of the crosshairs after the shooting and the outright lying the next day on talk radio her aide went on about the crosshairs being nothing more than "surveyor markers on a map."


    That is contempt.
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    riddler78 saidIt would seem that some who are truly beneath contempt would continue to try to make the facts fit to their narrative that this must be the fault of tea partiers or Sarah Palin - except it would seem the suspect has been fixated on Gifford since 2007:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html
    A safe at Mr. Loughner's home contained a form letter from Ms. Giffords' office thanking him for attending a 2007 "Congress on your Corner'' event in Tucson. The safe also held an envelope with handwritten notes, including the name of Ms. Giffords, as well as "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and what appeared to be Mr. Loughner's signature, according to an FBI affidavit.


    And then there's this:
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php
    ​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon. [...] She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."


    It is despicable and perverse how some would twist what is a tragedy and an attack on democracy for their own sick political ends. One need only look to the original threads of those who pointed to divisive political speech as being a motive or cause for this horrible attack including those who pointed the finger directly at Sarah Palin or other pundits. Meanwhile in all these claims only the right has violent supporters, Sarah Palin burned in effigy, the numerous open death threats at rallies against George W Bush and others has conveniently being ignored. As one professor noted, if the goal here is to bring civility to public discourse, a good place to start would be not to make up vicious lies about your political enemies.



    Will you post a comment calling Fox "News" "truly beneath contempt" and "despicable and perverse" for twisting this tragedy for their "own sick political ends"?
    Today, they're calling him a "left-winger" and portraying him as a pot-smoking liberal hippy - as I knew they would once it became clear that this shooter has or has had both anti-right-wing and anti-left-wing views.
    I knew it was just a mtter of time before the "despicable" hatemongering propagandists in the right-wing media machine began shameslessly trying to portray him as a "left-wiunger".
    They DO NOT care about changing the tone, or dialing back their hateful partisan rhetoric!
    They're right back at it today.
    The hateful tone and anger on both sides that exists in America today IS CAUSED BY the reckless and relentless partisan hatemongering on FOX and from the right-wingers.
    They started this, and it's clear today that they have NO intention of stopping.
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    Can't point the blame on anyone but him, and him only... Its also obvious that even his parents were a bit weird. Its also been discovered that he was into some Satanic stuff.

    While all of the stupidity and nastiness among both sides politically needs to stop (There were people saying horrific things of Bush, even things about assassination by protesters of him).. There are no political motivations of this lunatic's actions.. He met Gabrielle Gifford back in 07 and was upset with her because he didn't feel she was "intelligent" and kept talking about grammar. Nothing about her politics which by the way are quite conservative. (pro gun, and a gun owner. She's also pretty conservative on immigration).. She was also a former Republican...

    In all of his rants left online, there is nothing political, except the fact that he doesn't like government, which left-wing and right-wing anarchist do not, though again there are no left-wing or right-wing speech in any of his rants, just a bunch of philosophical weird stuff. Dreams, sleepwalking, mind control, currency, BCE ADE whatever, and grammar garbage.

    Now let's talk about the idiots who jumped the gun trying to make this political without the facts, and pointing fingers.

    The facts about him so far.....

    On his Facebook page, he's got Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, and Animal Farm listed as his favorite books.. Not books you're going to find listed as favorites of anyone all into Sarah Palin, or the Tea Party movement.

    In one of his videos left on his youtube page, he's tearing and burning the American flag... Not actions someone into the Tea Party movement, or Sarah Palin are going to be into, not to mention they'd be greatly offended by that of course.

    Kids who knew him in college keep describing him as a loner type, very philosophical,drug head, left-wing,(not your classic sane liberal, but far leftist) anti-capitalist, pro-communist, anti-god (he got upset when he saw a bible at a recruitment center). The kids he hung around with were the artsy weird colored hair and piercing crowd not saying that's bad, but lets be real. Not going to find kids like that being into conservative ideology moderate or extreme.

    With his rants about the government, its quite clear he was an anarchist. Though it is weird again nothing specifies him as being a left-wing or right-wing anarchist. Anarchist hate the government and authoritarian things wanting to bring it all down.. The Tea Party do not hate nor want to destroy government, they talk about restoring and lessening government feeling it has grown too big.

    Left-wing anarchist go on and on about environmental stuff, government, economy, and hate for those who don't see things their way. Right-wing anarchist will start off with nationalistic speech, racist speech, anti government speech, and then will go on and on about god. This creep as one of his classmates describes never bothered to get into anything political though, and again none of this type of speech were in any of his rants.

    Finally we had media trying to pin him to some white supremesist group called "American Renaissance".. No records of him receiving or contacting anything from them have been found (his computer and phone have been dug into, and again nothing political).

    With all going on with this monster, had it been Bachmann, or Palin whoever Dem or Rep there we'd be talking about either one of them being shot instead (though I'm sure those on the far left would be rejoicing that on certain sites if it were the two ladies named). Gabrielle Gifford unfortunately was not only his object of obsession due to him thinking she was "unintelligent" because of some grammar BS he was hyped up on and apparent dislike for government. He also didn't like an answer she had given him when he asked "What is government if words have no meaning"... She was also more accessible, and an easy target for him.

    Its funny how left leaning media jump the gun pointing fingers and politicizing this.. Meanwhile when that horrible incident happened at Fort Hood, they didn't want anyone jumping the gun making connections to him being Muslim (radical), when all signs clearly pointed that he was.. This is why left leaning media is failing only capturing the minds of those who do not think for themselves.
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    "Sarah Palin has the cross-hairs of a gunsight over our district – and when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences to that action."
    Gabrielle Giffords, March 2010
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    IHG84 saidCan't point the blame on anyone but him, and him only... Its also obvious that even his parents were a bit weird. Its also been discovered that he was into some Satanic stuff.

    While all of the stupidity and nastiness among both sides politically needs to stop (There were people saying horrific things of Bush, even things about assassination by protesters of him).. There are no political motivations of this lunatic's actions.. He met Gabrielle Gifford back in 07 and was upset with her because he didn't feel she was "intelligent" and kept talking about grammar. Nothing about her politics which by the way are quite conservative. (pro gun, and a gun owner. She's also pretty conservative on immigration).. She was also a former Republican...

    In all of his rants left online, there is nothing political, except the fact that he doesn't like government, which left-wing and right-wing anarchist do not, though again there are no left-wing or right-wing speech in any of his rants, just a bunch of philosophical weird stuff. Dreams, sleepwalking, mind control, currency, BCE ADE whatever, and grammar garbage.

    Now let's talk about the idiots who jumped the gun trying to make this political without the facts, and pointing fingers.

    The facts about him so far.....

    On his Facebook page, he's got Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, and Animal Farm listed as his favorite books.. Not books you're going to find listed as favorites of anyone all into Sarah Palin, or the Tea Party movement.

    In one of his videos left on his youtube page, he's tearing and burning the American flag... Not actions someone into the Tea Party movement, or Sarah Palin are going to be into, not to mention they'd be greatly offended by that of course.

    Kids who knew him in college keep describing him as a loner type, very philosophical,drug head, left-wing,(not your classic sane liberal, but far leftist) anti-capitalist, pro-communist, anti-god (he got upset when he saw a bible at a recruitment center). The kids he hung around with were the artsy weird colored hair and piercing crowd not saying that's bad, but lets be real. Not going to find kids like that being into conservative ideology moderate or extreme.

    With his rants about the government, its quite clear he was an anarchist. Though it is weird again nothing specifies him as being a left-wing or right-wing anarchist. Anarchist hate the government and authoritarian things wanting to bring it all down.. The Tea Party do not hate nor want to destroy government, they talk about restoring and lessening government feeling it has grown too big.

    Left-wing anarchist go on and on about environmental stuff, government, economy, and hate for those who don't see things their way. Right-wing anarchist will start off with nationalistic speech, racist speech, anti government speech, and then will go on and on about god. This creep as one of his classmates describes never bothered to get into anything political though, and again none of this type of speech were in any of his rants.

    Finally we had media trying to pin him to some white supremesist group called "American Renaissance".. No records of him receiving or contacting anything from them have been found (his computer and phone have been dug into, and again nothing political).

    With all going on with this monster, had it been Bachmann, or Palin whoever Dem or Rep there we'd be talking about either one of them being shot instead (though I'm sure those on the far left would be rejoicing that on certain sites if it were the two ladies named). Gabrielle Gifford unfortunately was not only his object of obsession due to him thinking she was "unintelligent" because of some grammar BS he was hyped up on and apparent dislike for government. He also didn't like an answer she had given him when he asked "What is government if words have no meaning"... She was also more accessible, and an easy target for him.

    Its funny how left leaning media jump the gun pointing fingers and politicizing this.. Meanwhile when that horrible incident happened at Fort Hood, they didn't want anyone jumping the gun making connections to him being Muslim (radical), when all signs clearly pointed that he was.. This is why left leaning media is failing only capturing the minds of those who do not think for themselves.


    Your entire post is full of lies, half-truths and spin. Typical of you.

    And Mein Kampf, Animal Farm and the Communist Manifesto represent three different political ideologies: Nazism, Neo-liberalism and communism, with the middle being a critique of Stalinism.
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    Mil8 said"Sarah Palin has the cross-hairs of a gunsight over our district – and when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences to that action."
    Gabrielle Giffords, March 2010


    Yes I thought that was rather silly, but it was also done by Democrats as well at one point. There was also a NH Dem lawmaker who joked around saying he had wished Sarah Palin was on the plane that crashed in Alaska, which killed the Republican congressmen.. Its stupidity like that on both sides that needs to stop.

    Though again I think the cross hairs were silly, everyone agrees with that. They in no way have anything to do with what happened. It was an unfortunate coincidence which I am sure is regretted and will not be done again by anyone Dem or Rep... It is also a coincidence that has been taken out of context by the irresponsible and sloppy... Who are more concerned with pointing fingers at people they do not politically agree with, instead of the real facts as to what was going on with this kid.
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    Mil8 said"Sarah Palin has the cross-hairs of a gunsight over our district – and when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences to that action."
    Gabrielle Giffords, March 2010


    Yes I thought that was rather silly, but it was also done by Democrats as well at one point. There was also a NH Dem lawmaker who joked around saying he had wished Sarah Palin was on the plane that crashed in Alaska, which killed the Republican congressmen.. Its stupidity like that on both sides that needs to stop.

    Though again I think the cross hairs were silly, everyone agrees with that. They in no way have anything to do with what happened. It was an unfortunate coincidence which I am sure is regretted and will not be done again by anyone Dem or Rep... It is also a coincidence that has been taken out of context by the irresponsible and sloppy... Who are more concerned with pointing fingers at people they do not politically agree with, instead of the real facts as to what was going on with this kid.


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    IHG84 saidCan't point the blame on anyone but him, and him only... Its also obvious that even his parents were a bit weird. Its also been discovered that he was into some Satanic stuff.

    While all of the stupidity and nastiness among both sides politically needs to stop (There were people saying horrific things of Bush, even things about assassination by protesters of him).. There are no political motivations of this lunatic's actions.. He met Gabrielle Gifford back in 07 and was upset with her because he didn't feel she was "intelligent" and kept talking about grammar. Nothing about her politics which by the way are quite conservative. (pro gun, and a gun owner. She's also pretty conservative on immigration).. She was also a former Republican...

    In all of his rants left online, there is nothing political, except the fact that he doesn't like government, which left-wing and right-wing anarchist do not, though again there are no left-wing or right-wing speech in any of his rants, just a bunch of philosophical weird stuff. Dreams, sleepwalking, mind control, currency, BCE ADE whatever, and grammar garbage.

    Now let's talk about the idiots who jumped the gun trying to make this political without the facts, and pointing fingers.

    The facts about him so far.....

    On his Facebook page, he's got Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, and Animal Farm listed as his favorite books.. Not books you're going to find listed as favorites of anyone all into Sarah Palin, or the Tea Party movement.

    In one of his videos left on his youtube page, he's tearing and burning the American flag... Not actions someone into the Tea Party movement, or Sarah Palin are going to be into, not to mention they'd be greatly offended by that of course.

    Kids who knew him in college keep describing him as a loner type, very philosophical,drug head, left-wing,(not your classic sane liberal, but far leftist) anti-capitalist, pro-communist, anti-god (he got upset when he saw a bible at a recruitment center). The kids he hung around with were the artsy weird colored hair and piercing crowd not saying that's bad, but lets be real. Not going to find kids like that being into conservative ideology moderate or extreme.

    With his rants about the government, its quite clear he was an anarchist. Though it is weird again nothing specifies him as being a left-wing or right-wing anarchist. Anarchist hate the government and authoritarian things wanting to bring it all down.. The Tea Party do not hate nor want to destroy government, they talk about restoring and lessening government feeling it has grown too big.

    Left-wing anarchist go on and on about environmental stuff, government, economy, and hate for those who don't see things their way. Right-wing anarchist will start off with nationalistic speech, racist speech, anti government speech, and then will go on and on about god. This creep as one of his classmates describes never bothered to get into anything political though, and again none of this type of speech were in any of his rants.

    Finally we had media trying to pin him to some white supremesist group called "American Renaissance".. No records of him receiving or contacting anything from them have been found (his computer and phone have been dug into, and again nothing political).

    With all going on with this monster, had it been Bachmann, or Palin whoever Dem or Rep there we'd be talking about either one of them being shot instead (though I'm sure those on the far left would be rejoicing that on certain sites if it were the two ladies named). Gabrielle Gifford unfortunately was not only his object of obsession due to him thinking she was "unintelligent" because of some grammar BS he was hyped up on and apparent dislike for government. He also didn't like an answer she had given him when he asked "What is government if words have no meaning"... She was also more accessible, and an easy target for him.

    Its funny how left leaning media jump the gun pointing fingers and politicizing this.. Meanwhile when that horrible incident happened at Fort Hood, they didn't want anyone jumping the gun making connections to him being Muslim (radical), when all signs clearly pointed that he was.. This is why left leaning media is failing only capturing the minds of those who do not think for themselves.


    Your entire post is full of lies, half-truths and spin. Typical of you.

    And Mein Kampf, Animal Farm and the Communist Manifesto represent three different political ideologies: Nazism, Neo-liberalism and communism, with the middle being a critique of Stalinism.


    Wow Christian you really don't read carefully, and think before you post...

    I'm very well aware of the different political views of those books... Which is why this whole thing is bizarre to people that he was into these books... Yet in nothing he ranted about points to anything political.. You'd expect him to recite things from Mein Kampf if he was far right.. But then you'd expect him to recite things from The Communist Manifesto if his motivations were inspired by far-left intentions.... Think before you speak please.
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    IHG84 said
    Mil8 said"Sarah Palin has the cross-hairs of a gunsight over our district – and when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences to that action."
    Gabrielle Giffords, March 2010


    Yes I thought that was rather silly, but it was also done by Democrats as well at one point. There was also a NH Dem lawmaker who joked around saying he had wished Sarah Palin was on the plane that crashed in Alaska, which killed the Republican congressmen.. Its stupidity like that on both sides that needs to stop.

    Though again I think the cross hairs were silly, everyone agrees with that. They in no way have anything to do with what happened. It was an unfortunate coincidence which I am sure is regretted and will not be done again by anyone Dem or Rep... It is also a coincidence that has been taken out of context by the irresponsible and sloppy... Who are more concerned with pointing fingers at people they do not politically agree with, instead of the real facts as to what was going on with this kid.


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    Thank you for proving my point, and only adding to what people keep saying needs to stop.
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    Jan 10, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    This is deeply personal to me.
    I've seen Rep. Giffords savaged over and over again by verbal attacks from the Tea Partiers in this area over the last couple of years


    Yes, and of course Republican politicians like say Sarah Palin wouldn't know a THING about being "savaged over and over again by verbal attacks" icon_rolleyes.gif Good God you are a Hypocrite!
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    Jan 10, 2011 8:25 PM GMT
    I already posted this in the other thread concerning an update on the shooter. Gratuitous thread.
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    Mil8 said"Sarah Palin has the cross-hairs of a gunsight over our district – and when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences to that action."
    Gabrielle Giffords, March 2010


    Yes I thought that was rather silly, but it was also done by Democrats as well at one point. There was also a NH Dem lawmaker who joked around saying he had wished Sarah Palin was on the plane that crashed in Alaska, which killed the Republican congressmen.. Its stupidity like that on both sides that needs to stop.

    Though again I think the cross hairs were silly, everyone agrees with that. They in no way have anything to do with what happened. It was an unfortunate coincidence which I am sure is regretted and will not be done again by anyone Dem or Rep... It is also a coincidence that has been taken out of context by the irresponsible and sloppy... Who are more concerned with pointing fingers at people they do not politically agree with, instead of the real facts as to what was going on with this kid.


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    Thank you for proving my point, and only adding to what people keep saying needs to stop.


    Why? According to Palin's spokesperson, that's a surveyors map target. No violence implied.
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    Jan 10, 2011 8:30 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
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    Mil8 said"Sarah Palin has the cross-hairs of a gunsight over our district – and when people do that, they've got to realise there are consequences to that action."
    Gabrielle Giffords, March 2010


    Yes I thought that was rather silly, but it was also done by Democrats as well at one point. There was also a NH Dem lawmaker who joked around saying he had wished Sarah Palin was on the plane that crashed in Alaska, which killed the Republican congressmen.. Its stupidity like that on both sides that needs to stop.

    Though again I think the cross hairs were silly, everyone agrees with that. They in no way have anything to do with what happened. It was an unfortunate coincidence which I am sure is regretted and will not be done again by anyone Dem or Rep... It is also a coincidence that has been taken out of context by the irresponsible and sloppy... Who are more concerned with pointing fingers at people they do not politically agree with, instead of the real facts as to what was going on with this kid.


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    Thank you for proving my point, and only adding to what people keep saying needs to stop.


    Why? According to Palin's spokesperson, that's a surveyors map target. No violence implied.


    You're not bothering me man, just further making yourself look like a loser with that type of garbage.
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    Christian73 saidWhy? According to Palin's spokesperson, that's a surveyors map target. No violence implied.


    Perhaps if you had added,

    IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STAND

    that might have mitigated its target-like appearance. No?

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    Jan 10, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
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    This is deeply personal to me.
    I've seen Rep. Giffords savaged over and over again by verbal attacks from the Tea Partiers in this area over the last couple of years


    Yes, and of course Republican politicians like say Sarah Palin wouldn't know a THING about being "savaged over and over again by verbal attacks" icon_rolleyes.gif Good God you are a Hypocrite!




    BS.
    The difference is that Gabrielle Giffords is a centrist and moderate politician who has always refrained from ugly partisan rhetoric.
    Gabby has no crosshairs and gun imagery on her website.

    Sarah Palin is a far-right extremist politican who has a long history of ugly and divisive language and actions.

    They are very different politicians.

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    Jan 10, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
    Wow Christian - I thought you were at least above this. But apparently you don't see the hypocrisy nor the escalation. The use of this incident to try to gain political advantage is repulsive - especially when even rickrick shockingly acknowledges that this deranged lunatic had weird left and right extremist tendencies.

    I'm curious - if the use of the word "target" is incendiary, how is using bullseyes on a map not? Even the use of the word "campaign" has military roots. Should that be banned as well?

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