Clinton: Israel undermines peace efforts.

  • tokugawa

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    Jan 10, 2011 9:01 AM GMT
    Demolition of the Shepherd's Hotel

    Press Statement
    Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Secretary of State
    Washington, DC
    January 9, 2011
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    We are very concerned about the initiation of demolition of the Shepherd's Hotel in East Jerusalem. This disturbing development undermines peace efforts to achieve the two state-solution. In particular, this move contradicts the logic of a reasonable and necessary agreement between the parties on the status of Jerusalem. We believe that through good faith negotiations, the parties should mutually agree on an outcome that realizes the aspirations of both parties for Jerusalem, and safeguards its status for people around the world. Ultimately, the lack of a resolution to this conflict harms Israel, harms the Palestinians, and harms the U.S. and the international community. We will continue to press ahead with the parties to resolve the core issues, including Jerusalem, in the context of a peace agreement.

    http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2011/01/154160.htm


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    Background:

    Haj Husseini’s Shepherd Hotel in east J’lem demolished
    By MELANIE LIDMAN AND KHALED ABU TOAMEH
    01/09/2011 12:08
    http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=202785

    Construction of Jewish homes in Sheikh Jarrah gets underway at site that was built by former mufti of J'lem, Haj Amin al-Husseini.

    Demolition of the Shepherd Hotel, in east Jerusalem’s Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, began at dawn on Sunday.

    It came after a long battle over construction rights that drew condemnation from US President Barack Obama and other leaders around the world over the past few years.



    Obama first condemned the Shepherd Hotel project in July 2009, followed by similar complaints from Britain, France, Germany, Sweden and Russia.

    The British Embassy condemned the demolition anew on Sunday.

    “The British government reaffirms its strong, long-standing opposition to the creation of this new illegal settlement in occupied east Jerusalem and condemns today’s demolition in Sheikh Jarrah. The establishment and expansion of settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal,” said Alistair Burt, minister for the Middle East and South Asia.

    “This latest settlement activity does not help – on the contrary, it raises tensions unnecessarily.”

    The British Consulate in east Jerusalem is next to the Shepherd Hotel property.

    Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, said, “I strongly condemn this morning’s demolition of the Shepherd Hotel and the planned construction of a new illegal settlement. I reiterate that settlements are illegal under international law, undermine trust between the parties and constitute an obstacle to peace.”
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    Jan 10, 2011 11:58 AM GMT
    From the new york times

    "Palestinians consider the Shepherd Hotel to be part of their heritage. The building has an infamous past: it was built in the 1930s as a villa for Haj Amin al-Husseini, then the grand mufti of Jerusalem, who notoriously aligned himself with Hitler. SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/world/middleeast/10mideast.html?ref=world

    lol good riddance. That piece of shit was no landmark to be remembered by.
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    Jan 10, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
    More of the usual yellow journalism spam propaganda nonsense.

    Look how the headline makes a misleading general statement while what Clinton actualy said was restricted to one specific thing.

    These posts aren't made in the cause of peace, but to demonize Israel in an effort to rationalize and justify the on-going war to destroy Israel.

    Compare to (at best) the silence here:

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    Jan 10, 2011 11:06 PM GMT
    Caesarea4 said ... Will they now attempt to defend the lie of this topic with new spam propaganda lies... or with personal attacks?


    You, c4, are the spammer, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, have a reckless disregard for the truth, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, are the Don Rickles (famous insult comic) of personal attacks, as you again proved in this thread.

    If there is anyone who can claim "black is white," "war is peace," and "up is down," it's c4, as he again proved in this thread.

    c4, Busted again.
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    Jan 11, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    Who is Isabel Kirshner, the writer of the article in the New York Times can her connection with the builder of the hotel to backing Hitler ? Did proceeds from the Hotel go to Hitler, was the Hotel in any way used to benefit Hitler ? If none of those issues were tied to the building, then as buildings stand, they are rather innocent of what actions some foreign government may have conducted. As pro Israel as Clinton is, I rather doubt she would speak out about this if there were some connection. We do know that AIPAC has many members in strategic Media for Propaganda purposes, We should check out the background of this writer to see where her influences come from. Our resident FANATIC C4, I am sure would love to know if she's a member of AIPAC or one of his own ilk.
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    Jan 11, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
    tokugawa said
    You, c4, are the spammer, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, have a reckless disregard for the truth, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, are the Don Rickles (famous insult comic) of personal attacks, as you again proved in this thread.

    If there is anyone who can claim "black is white," "war is peace," and "up is down," it's c4, as he again proved in this thread.

    c4, Busted again.


    Hey tokugawa I got this hot friend you should meet. His name is President Ahmadinijad. I'm pretty sure he's gay too.
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    Jan 11, 2011 3:47 AM GMT
    realifedad said Who is Isabel Kirshner, the writer of the article in the New York Times can her connection with the builder of the hotel to backing Hitler ? Did proceeds from the Hotel go to Hitler, was the Hotel in any way used to benefit Hitler ?


    The hotel was built for a Hitler enthusiast. Let's say there's a building in your city that was built for a mayor in the 1930s who was notoriously anti-gay and promote putting homosexuals in mental institutes. Would you feel like that building needed to stay there once the homosexuals moved in and made that their new mecca? I can also understand for the same reason why it SHOULD be preserved. But because there was no direct involvement it was just made for some douche bag who hated Jews and was known for it. So I say get rid of it. Worse things happened in Gaza. When Israel gave it to the Palestinians the FIRST thing they did was burn down the synagogues...and those places had nothing to do with being anti-anything. Where was the outcry then?
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    realifedad said Who is Isabel Kirshner, the writer of the article in the New York Times can her connection with the builder of the hotel to backing Hitler ? Did proceeds from the Hotel go to Hitler, was the Hotel in any way used to benefit Hitler ?


    The hotel was built for a Hitler enthusiast. Let's say there's a building in your city that was built for a mayor in the 1930s who was notoriously anti-gay and promote putting homosexuals in mental institutes. Would you feel like that building needed to stay there once the homosexuals moved in and made that their new mecca? I can also understand for the same reason why it SHOULD be preserved. But because there was no direct involvement it was just made for some douche bag who hated Jews and was known for it. So I say get rid of it. Worse things happened in Gaza. When Israel gave it to the Palestinians the FIRST thing they did was burn down the synagogues...and those places had nothing to do with being anti-anything. Where was the outcry then?


    Don't know where the outcry was then, this is now though, and this all has to stop somewhere doesn't it? Someone has to stop bullying and the other stop taking the bullying. Clinton is trying to stop the back and forth, removing that building is just another back and forth that isn't going to help peace, that's all she is saying. So now that the building is gone, should we stop the settlement tomorrow to help peace ?? Its got to stop somewhere so why not right there???
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    Jan 11, 2011 5:29 AM GMT
    More of the usual yellow journalism spam propaganda nonsense.

    Look how the headline makes a misleading general statement while what Clinton actualy said was restricted to one specific thing.


    pouncer> personal attacks

    tokugawa> personal attacks
    tokugawa> c4, Busted

    No, your yellow journalism, spam propaganda topic was busted.
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    Jan 11, 2011 5:59 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidMore of the usual yellow journalism spam propaganda nonsense.

    Look how the headline makes a misleading general statement while what Clinton actualy said was restricted to one specific thing.


    pouncer> personal attacks

    tokugawa> personal attacks
    tokugawa> c4, Busted

    No, your yellow journalism, spam propaganda topic was busted.


    Yes Yes !!! All Hail the always right OBNOXIOUS KNOW IT ALL Ceaserea4 !!! When are you going back to some settlement over there in Palestine ? why don't you purchase a home right there where this old hotel just came down? Then get up on your damn roof with a loud speaker and tell everyone there just how righteous your cause is !!! Good luck to you and your god on that one you OBNOXIOUS FOOL !!!
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    Jan 11, 2011 6:39 AM GMT
    The headline makes a misleading general statement while what Clinton actualy said was restricted to one specific thing.

    sxydrkhair> Makes no sense at all.

    Exactly.
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    Jan 11, 2011 8:50 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidZionists played a role in the Holocaust too. For example, Avraham Stern started his attacks against Jews while collaborating with the Third Reich before then and even before the Holocaust.


    Zionists helped promote the holocaust you say? Source please.
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    Jan 11, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa said
    You, c4, are the spammer, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, have a reckless disregard for the truth, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, are the Don Rickles (famous insult comic) of personal attacks, as you again proved in this thread.

    If there is anyone who can claim "black is white," "war is peace," and "up is down," it's c4, as he again proved in this thread.

    c4, Busted again.


    Hey tokugawa I got this hot friend you should meet. His name is President Ahmadinijad. I'm pretty sure he's gay too.

    c4> As usual, unable to address the topic or say anything intelligent... the personal attacks come flying.
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    Jan 11, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
    tokugawa said
    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa said
    You, c4, are the spammer, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, have a reckless disregard for the truth, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, are the Don Rickles (famous insult comic) of personal attacks, as you again proved in this thread.

    If there is anyone who can claim "black is white," "war is peace," and "up is down," it's c4, as he again proved in this thread.

    c4, Busted again.


    Hey tokugawa I got this hot friend you should meet. His name is President Ahmadinijad. I'm pretty sure he's gay too.

    c4> As usual, unable to address the topic or say anything intelligent... the personal attacks come flying.


    Why did you respond to me with a c4 quote that does not exist? Anyway Ahmadinijad said he wants to give you a blow job. He told me he admired you going on RJ veiling yourself by not showing pics and trolling the threads with antisemitism. He said that's almost as good as denying the holocaust. What do you think about Humus Penis?
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa said
    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa said
    You, c4, are the spammer, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, have a reckless disregard for the truth, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, are the Don Rickles (famous insult comic) of personal attacks, as you again proved in this thread.

    If there is anyone who can claim "black is white," "war is peace," and "up is down," it's c4, as he again proved in this thread.

    c4, Busted again.


    Hey tokugawa I got this hot friend you should meet. His name is President Ahmadinijad. I'm pretty sure he's gay too.

    c4> As usual, unable to address the topic or say anything intelligent... the personal attacks come flying.


    Why did you respond to me with a c4 quote that does not exist? Anyway Ahmadinijad said he wants to give you a blow job. He told me he admired you going on RJ veiling yourself by not showing pics and trolling the threads with antisemitism. He said that's almost as good as denying the holocaust. What do you think about Humus Penis?


    Jake, your a little out on a limb with this Ahmadinijad thing you just trotted out. Your above that you know !!!
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    Jan 12, 2011 12:46 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa said
    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa said
    You, c4, are the spammer, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, have a reckless disregard for the truth, as you again proved in this thread.

    You, c4, are the Don Rickles (famous insult comic) of personal attacks, as you again proved in this thread.

    If there is anyone who can claim "black is white," "war is peace," and "up is down," it's c4, as he again proved in this thread.

    c4, Busted again.


    Hey tokugawa I got this hot friend you should meet. His name is President Ahmadinijad. I'm pretty sure he's gay too.

    c4> As usual, unable to address the topic or say anything intelligent... the personal attacks come flying.


    Why did you respond to me with a c4 quote that does not exist? Anyway Ahmadinijad said he wants to give you a blow job. He told me he admired you going on RJ veiling yourself by not showing pics and trolling the threads with antisemitism. He said that's almost as good as denying the holocaust. What do you think about Humus Penis?


    Jake, your a little out on a limb with this Ahmadinijad thing you just trotted out. Your above that you know !!!


    Why do you want to date him too? This tokugawa dude doesn't listen to me. Even when I AGREED with him once his response were curse words at my face. So you know I'm not giving him an once of my thoughts if he even disagrees with me agreeing with him. There's nothing left to do but make fun of him. I will make fun of you too if you choose to be as stupid as him, which I know you're not.
  • tokugawa

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    Jan 13, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
    JB82 saidFrom the new york times
    "Palestinians consider the Shepherd Hotel to be part of their heritage. The building has an infamous past: it was built in the 1930s as a villa for Haj Amin al-Husseini, then the grand mufti of Jerusalem, who notoriously aligned himself with Hitler. SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/world/middleeast/10mideast.html?ref=world
    lol good riddance. That piece of shit was no landmark to be remembered by.


    Wrong again, jb82, it will be remembered:

    "Because of its historical value, the facade of the left part [of the hotel ] will be remain intact."

    Source: http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=202785

    Lost in JB82's vitriol is the fact that Zionists are currently evicting the civilians of East Jerusalem, in a slow motion replay of the ethnic cleansing of 1948. Not just the Shepherd Hotel, but the elimination of ALL Palestinian heritage, is a Zionist goal. The Zionists started with the depopulation and destruction of over 400 Palestinian villages in 1948, as specified in "Plan Dalet."

    In the 1950's, the Jewish National Fund organized a fund raising campaign aimed at children to "plant a tree in Israel." (As a child, I raised enough money to plant a tree.) The locations of the trees included the former Palestinian villages, with the goal of "obliterating every trace that [the] village ever existed."

    The ultimate Zionist goal is the transfer (eviction) of the entire population of Arabs and other non-Jews from East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and then expulsion of all non-Jewish Israeli citizens..

    Various Israeli leaders have been advocating transfer (expulsion) for years, and even the founder of modern Zionism, Herzl, talked about the need to get rid of the indigenous Palestinian population, perhaps by bribery.

    Benny Morris, who was threatened with becoming "persona non grata" in Israel after busting Israel's founding myths in his book, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949;" now believes that all goyem (non Jews) should have been expelled from Israel in 1948.

    see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_non_grata#Non-diplomatic_usage

    But wait, there is more! Because they feel it would improve their security, Zionists favor a destabilized Middle East of dismembered nations (recall the attempted dismemberment of Lebanon) who will quarrel among themselves and leave Israel stronger than ever.

    The fact that the policy of the United States is a stable Middle East, with no interruption of oil exports to the West, is trumped by the power of the Israel lobby over the U.S. Congress and the rest of the U.S. government.

    The success of the American attack on Iraq, a Zionist goal since Iraq was seen as the strongest Arab enemy of Israel, has resulted in a destabilized Iraq which may indeed be dismembered some day soon.

    The success in Iraq may be repeated with another Zionist goal: an American attack on Iran. If such an attack occurs, the likely result would be a catastrophic world economic depression caused by the interruption of oil exports from Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf oil Sheikdoms, because the Straits of Hormuz could easily become blocked, possibly for a long time.

    see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz

    Worst case scenario is gasoline at $40/gallon or higher.

    We can depend on America's mass media to ignore the power of the Israel lobby as they always have done in the past.

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    BTW, my previous comment,

    c4>As usual, unable to address the topic or say anything intelligent... the personal attacks come flying.

    ... was incorrectly formatted.

    I should have written:

    In a previous thread, c4 said:

    "As usual, unable to address the topic or say anything intelligent... the personal attacks come flying."


    I apologize about the confusion.

    However, I believe c4's words, in whatever thread they were written, are especially applicable to jb82, since he engages in personal attacks, and he doesn't have anything intelligent to say.
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    Jan 13, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    The headline makes a misleading general statement while what Clinton actualy said was restricted to one specific thing.

    tokugawa> [pages of regurgitated anti-Israel spam propaganda]

    Once again showing us that the "topic" was just a pretense for yet another salvo of anti-Israel hate.
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    Jan 13, 2011 3:02 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidThe headline makes a misleading general statement while what Clinton actualy said was restricted to one specific thing.

    tokugawa> [pages of regurgitated anti-Israel spam propaganda]

    Once again showing us that the "topic" was just a pretense for yet another salvo of anti-Israel hate.



    Wah Wah Wah !!! Cry me a river C4, You've been so damned OBNOXIOUS with your always right ZIONIST FANATIC PROPAGANDA, no one wants to hear more of your Bull. When you going to let us in on your connection to those fanatics ?? Scared to answer questions are you ??
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    Jan 13, 2011 5:33 PM GMT
    It's not just Hillary who says that Israel undermines peace efforts:
    Obama first condemned the Shepherd Hotel project in July 2009, followed by similar complaints from Britain, France, Germany, Sweden and Russia.

    The British Embassy condemned the demolition anew on Sunday.

    “The British government reaffirms its strong, long-standing opposition to the creation of this new illegal settlement in occupied east Jerusalem and condemns today’s demolition in Sheikh Jarrah. The establishment and expansion of settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal,” said Alistair Burt, minister for the Middle East and South Asia.

    This latest settlement activity does not help – on the contrary, it raises tensions unnecessarily.”

    The British Consulate in east Jerusalem is next to the Shepherd Hotel property.

    Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, said, “I strongly condemn this morning’s demolition of the Shepherd Hotel and the planned construction of a new illegal settlement. I reiterate that settlements are illegal under international law, undermine trust between the parties and constitute an obstacle to peace.”

    http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=202785
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    Jan 18, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 said ... Once again showing us that the "topic" was just a pretense for yet another salvo of anti-Israel hate.

    Secretary of State Clinton, made the following statement at a press conference, which was reprinted on the web site of the U.S. Secretary of State:

    " ... This disturbing development undermines peace efforts to achieve the two state-solution. ..."

    c4, in a tactic straight out of the Hasbara handbook, tries to change the subject of ISRAEL UNDERMINES PEACE EFFORTS, into a personal attack on me. Since I merely repeated Clinton's own words, c4 is in effect charging Clinton with a salvo of anti-Israel hate. Nice job, c4!

    Secretary of State Clinton continues:

    " ... In particular, this move contradicts the logic of a reasonable and necessary agreement between the parties on the status of Jerusalem. ..."

    I guess c4 is against reasonable and necessary agreements; c4 does not even want any discussion of Israeli efforts to undermine peace, since, according to c4's warped logic, any such discussion is merely just a pretense for another salvo of anti-Israel hate.

    c4's solution for Jerusalem would give 100% to Israel and nothing to the Palestinians. After the total ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem, Israel can turn its attention to the ethnic cleansing of the entire West Bank. Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Jerusalem will be devoid of Christians after the Zionist master plan achieves its goals.

    c4 refutes his own previous comments on the need for compromise. Despite the fact that no other nation in the world recognizes Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem, Israel refuses to give back one square inch. That is why the U.S. embassy has remained in Tel Aviv since 1967, that is, for the last 43 years. NOT A SINGLE NATION IN THE WORLD RECOGNIZES JERUSALEM AS THE CAPITOL OF ISRAEL.

    Speaking for the British government, Alistair Burt, minister for the Middle East and South Asia said, “The establishment and expansion of settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are illegal. This latest settlement activity does not help – on the contrary, it raises tensions unnecessarily.”

    source: http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=202785
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    Jan 18, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    These latest actions by Israel are just more valid proof that this gloried, terrorist nation does not want peace. Israel will never respect the rights of the Palestinian people. Israel wants to forcefully dominate and control everything regardless of the consequences. But that damned, loudmouthed fool from Ann Arbor, Ceasarea4 will continue to pollute the air with all his half truths and pro-Israel propaganda. This is why I totally ignore C4 and have him blocked.