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    Jan 11, 2011 8:57 AM GMT
    You know what, a lot of guys on here seem to think that because some of us don't view gay life and culture like "gay" men, and instead view it through the straight eye, that we are fooling ourselves. Because we are not straight we are incapable or undeserving to have the experiences that our straight counterparts experience.

    That we shouldn't have monogamous relationships, or marriages for that matter because we are not straight and hence are not bound by the "morals" and "ethics" of the straight people. That fidelity is only something straight people suffer from or enjoy, thus we can cheat and be cheated on because we‘re not straight. Well if I recall, these concepts were never designated specifically for straight people, but for the human race in general. Excluding no other homosapien group.

    That we shouldn't be able to have a family and possibly kids, because the concept of a family is something that only pertains to straight people. Yet we gays were raised in families. In family environments, with a mother, a father, a brother, a sister, and dog/cat. So how is it that this idea is beyond us or our grasp? It's not.

    That we should just have all the sex we want because we're gay and are not governed by the general census’s idea of self consciousness. That we can be sluts because we're gay. Yeah well you tell testicular cancer that one buddy.

    That our first time shouldn’t matter because we are not straight. What the fuck is this bullshit? Because I'm not straight I can't be emotionally attached to the first guy who sticks his cock in my ass? Really? Because I’m not straight I shouldn’t care whether the first guy I fuck cares one shit about whether or not he might hurt me or not? Wow.

    Well you know what? FUCK YOU.

    I will have many monogamous relationships and I wont cheat on him, and he won’t cheat on me (*gulp* I hope LOL). Then I will get married one day, and have a completely monogamous relationship with the man I will love for the rest of my life.

    I will not only marry him, but I’ll have his children, and my children. And we’ll buy a little house in the fucking prairie and have a cat and dog. Whatcha think about that?

    I will fuck around before I find him (safely of course), but when I do. I’ll fuck him and only him.

    My first time will be so much more emotional than physical, and he will care about me as much as I care about him. Shit he might even be the first love of my life. Scary to think huh?

    And if you guys don’t like me cause of my stupid “straight” ideas, well in the famous words of Kylie Minogue … Get outta my way!



    P.S.
    Yes I know this is redundant because many before me have posted something similar to this. But I had too because some of you guys are just horrible, the ones that have these views and ideas at least.

    Side note: Yes I just had to do that lol. And yes I was listening to that song the entire time I was writing this. lol
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    Jan 11, 2011 9:18 AM GMT
    you're kind of a strange fellow, try not to judge everyone on here cause I'm not saying all, but at least I'll assume half are like you, they would want a monogamous relationship be with one guy and have a family with him, etc. Be well dude
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:09 AM GMT
    navi_saiyan saidyou're kind of a strange fellow, try not to judge everyone on here cause I'm not saying all, but at least I'll assume half are like you, they would want a monogamous relationship be with one guy and have a family with him, etc. Be well dude

    I'm sorry if I came of as a raging bitch. But its like I read some of these things where people ask questions or make comments and these other guys just thrash them and tell them that they are wrong and stupid for thinking that. Like on the thread "Alluring Virgins", wow. These guys are just crazy.

    But I understand what you are saying. And this is the first and last time i post something like this. icon_smile.gif thanks for being understanding. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:12 AM GMT
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    I'm sorry if I came of as a raging bitch. But its like I read some of these things where people ask questions or make comments and these other guys just thrash them and tell them that they are wrong and stupid for thinking that. Like on the thread "Alluring Virgins", wow. These guys are just crazy.

    But I understand what you are saying. And this is the first and last time i post something like this. icon_smile.gif thanks for being understanding. icon_smile.gif

    I don't think I was trying to be understanding, I was being a well dick haha. Next time I'll remember to be more understanding before I post and well not as tired icon_razz.gif like now, but I am tired so...
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    Jan 12, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    At the end of the day, there is no code of behaviour for being gay (just as there isn't one for being straight). You be the person you want to be.
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    Jan 12, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
    Vancouverite2004 saidAt the end of the day, there is no code of behaviour for being gay (just as there isn't one for being straight). You be the person you want to be.



    This is a great truth.
    Imhere, you made me chuckle because Bill and I are like you (our dicks are hard-wired directly into our hearts), but also not like you because though we are monogamous we don't expect that of others. When you see a statement by anyone that monogamy doesn't exist blah blah, say something! It doesn't have to be a reciprocal attack, just a statement like the one I just quoted.

    -Doug

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    Jan 12, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    You had me reading 'till this part:
    imherelookalive said...
    I will have many monogamous relationships ...
    And you call promiscuous people sluts? WTF do you think "many monogamous relationships" is...perfect?
    No, that's being just as much of a slut as the guy who has one monogamous relationship per weekend behind the dumpster in the alley after the club closes (or, as I prefer, under the lifeguard stand at 5am on South Beach).

    Originally, monogamy meant being with your first love for the rest of your life, and never having a 2nd one (unless the first one dies).

    So don't get on your high horse thinking you're superior to us "sluts" who choose not to be "monogamous," because you've already stated you plan on being just as much of a slut as the rest of us.
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    Jan 12, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    Paul, I think he's venting because there have been topics where guys are told monogamy is crap. So he's pissing back. He's also referring to serial monogamy, which is what happens in spite of trying to settle with a one-and-only. Relationships fail, and so it's on to the next one.

    What you do works well for you and I celebrate that (there ain't nothing sweeter than a happy Paul - well, except for my Bill).

    -Doug
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    Jan 12, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    Draper saidIf you live your life by most of what you read on here or various other gay websites, you may fall into a stereotypical trap and get very jaded. Some guys love that, others abhor it. First and foremost, you're a man. When you're striving for dignity, whether you're gay or straight is inconsequential; don't let other people bring you down to their level if your gut instinct tells you otherwise.




    Gads, can you at least attempt to be less inflammatory?
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    Jan 12, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
    First and foremost, you're a man. When you're striving for dignity, whether you're gay or straight is inconsequential; don't let other people bring you down to their level if your gut instinct tells you otherwise.

    THIS, THIS AND THIS. Well saidicon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 12, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    Tonync1969 saidFirst and foremost, you're a man. When you're striving for dignity, whether you're gay or straight is inconsequential; don't let other people bring you down to their level if your gut instinct tells you otherwise.

    THIS, THIS AND THIS. Well saidicon_biggrin.gif



    Hmm...quite frankly this is just inviting more acrimony. What works for others works for others. One is not morally superior to the other. If we don't get respect for being monogamous, that's their problem, not ours. We know many fine guys in open relationships or just enjoying their single life fooling around with each other. We don't bash them for it because a few jerks that share the same lifestyle as them say we're all washed up.

    -Doug
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    I agree with you totally. My idea is that regardless of orientation, taking ideas from what you read, learn about stereotypes should not point you in any direction, your own values should rule. Regardless of whether you're gay or straight. There's no rule book, nor should there be. I'm afraid that some young people see a guideline for how they should behave and they feel somewhat inadequate as a gay man if they don't. I say follow your heart.
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    There is no code of conduct, but it is impossible to deny that gay culture and the scene is MUCH more sexually charged than heterosexual culture. Gay bars with go-go boys, topless bar tenders, saunas, adverts for cruising, etc. Not to mention that every gay dating website allows explicit photos (including this one) and most profiles are sexual in nature. There are no mainstream straight dating websites that allow this. Why do we need to put our sexual role and HIV status on a dating profile? Its ridiculous. And the killer is if you speak out against all of it you are automatically self loathing or homophobic according to the gay community, its soooo pathetic.

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    Jan 12, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    be, all that you can be....................- - - icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidYou had me reading 'till this part:
    imherelookalive said...
    I will have many monogamous relationships ...
    And you call promiscuous people sluts? WTF do you think "many monogamous relationships" is...perfect?
    No, that's being just as much of a slut as the guy who has one monogamous relationship per weekend behind the dumpster in the alley after the club closes (or, as I prefer, under the lifeguard stand at 5am on South Beach).

    Originally, monogamy meant being with your first love for the rest of your life, and never having a 2nd one (unless the first one dies).

    So don't get on your high horse thinking you're superior to us "sluts" who choose not to be "monogamous," because you've already stated you plan on being just as much of a slut as the rest of us.

    How is it being a “slut” if I sleep with just one guy in a period of say 6 or 8 months, and then move onto another guy for another certain amount of time? I’m referring to “slut” as in being promiscuous, which means you sleep with a lot of people in the same time span.

    And I never even insinuated that I was “superior” to ANYONE. So if you have an inferior complex I suggest you take up psychiatric help for that. Don’t come on here and attack me for my views, if you don’t agree fine, unlike some of you, I’m not shoving my beliefs down your throat.

    And no I do not think having only monogamous relationships ais perfect and nor am I saying its it‘s the right way to go, but people like YOU think that because we are gay we are not bound by and morals and shouldn't be. Well I have news for you buddy, some of us gays have something called self-respect. And if it bugs you, like I said, get outta my way.
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:42 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidYou had me reading 'till this part:
    imherelookalive said...
    I will have many monogamous relationships ...
    And you call promiscuous people sluts? WTF do you think "many monogamous relationships" is...perfect?
    No, that's being just as much of a slut as the guy who has one monogamous relationship per weekend behind the dumpster in the alley after the club closes (or, as I prefer, under the lifeguard stand at 5am on South Beach).

    Originally, monogamy meant being with your first love for the rest of your life, and never having a 2nd one (unless the first one dies).

    So don't get on your high horse thinking you're superior to us "sluts" who choose not to be "monogamous," because you've already stated you plan on being just as much of a slut as the rest of us.

    How is it being a “slut” if I sleep with just one guy in a period of say 6 or 8 months, and then move onto another guy for another certain amount of time? I’m referring to “slut” as in being promiscuous, which means you sleep with a lot of people in the same time span.

    And I never even insinuated that I was “superior” to ANYONE. So if you have an inferior complex I suggest you take up psychiatric help for that. Don’t come on here and attack me for my views, if you don’t agree fine, unlike some of you, I’m not shoving my beliefs down your throat.

    And no I do not think having only monogamous relationships ais perfect and nor am I saying its it‘s the right way to go, but people like YOU think that because we are gay we are not bound by and morals and shouldn't be. Well I have news for you buddy, some of us gays have something called self-respect. And if it bugs you, like I said, get outta my way.


    i agree with you completely, but unfortunately we are in the minority. It is rare to find a gay community, online or elsewhere, that has this line of thinking.
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
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    Tonync1969 saidFirst and foremost, you're a man. When you're striving for dignity, whether you're gay or straight is inconsequential; don't let other people bring you down to their level if your gut instinct tells you otherwise.

    THIS, THIS AND THIS. Well saidicon_biggrin.gif



    Hmm...quite frankly this is just inviting more acrimony. What works for others works for others. One is not morally superior to the other. If we don't get respect for being monogamous, that's their problem, not ours. We know many fine guys in open relationships or just enjoying their single life fooling around with each other. We don't bash them for it because a few jerks that share the same lifestyle as them say we're all washed up.

    -Doug

    Thank you. This is what I was trying to say. Hence I left the word “slut” in quotation marks to have it's meaning and connotation be subjective. I honestly have nothing against being promiscuous, we are animals by nature so mating is oh so natural, but I’m talking about is sleeping with everything that moves and not caring about a person who cares about you, after you have told him you will be loyal. I made that clear, hence I used the word CHEATING which only applies if you are in a MONOGAMOUS relationship, if you are in an open one and both of the partners agree. HEY, HAVE A BALL. But don’t expect someone who has told you they want a monogamous relationship to understand you when you cheat on them, just because you think as a gay man its acceptable.

    And another point of mind was that. They constantly tell people like us who do believe in some “straight” morals, that we are stupid cause it only applies to “straight” people. Bashing what we believe in when I know I don’t bash on them for their beliefs and ideas. I.e. paulflexes

    And thank you for understanding. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 13, 2011 12:04 AM GMT
    Tonync1969 saidI agree with you totally. My idea is that regardless of orientation, taking ideas from what you read, learn about stereotypes should not point you in any direction, your own values should rule. Regardless of whether you're gay or straight. There's no rule book, nor should there be. I'm afraid that some young people see a guideline for how they should behave and they feel somewhat inadequate as a gay man if they don't. I say follow your heart.

    Oh no no honey. I am not basing my beliefs off of what I've seen in those happy hetero movies about love and relationships. I am a pretty smart kid and have come up with my own ideals and concepts about relationships ad sex.

    For heaven's sake, I love Hitler's ideas about politics and government. But does that mean I agreed with his atrocious acts, like the slaughtering of almost 10 million people. NO!!!!

    I honestly don't even like the idea of marriage, because I refuse to believe that a piece of paper should have such an influential power or strain on a relationship. But I love the idea of getting married because of the symbolism it represents. But even then I probably never will. I just used the marriage example as an extreme hyperbole (in my perspective) to reinforce my statement.
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    Jan 13, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    trice55 saidThere is no code of conduct, but it is impossible to deny that gay culture and the scene is MUCH more sexually charged than heterosexual culture. Gay bars with go-go boys, topless bar tenders, saunas, adverts for cruising, etc. Not to mention that every gay dating website allows explicit photos (including this one) and most profiles are sexual in nature. There are no mainstream straight dating websites that allow this. Why do we need to put our sexual role and HIV status on a dating profile? Its ridiculous. And the killer is if you speak out against all of it you are automatically self loathing or homophobic according to the gay community, its soooo pathetic.


    Amen sister. LOL. But yeah very good point. But I'm pretty sure sites like this would be more than fitting for a bunch of heteros. lol Many of my girlfriends are skanks. Haha. And well men, are men. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 13, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidYou had me reading 'till this part:
    imherelookalive said...
    I will have many monogamous relationships ...
    And you call promiscuous people sluts? WTF do you think "many monogamous relationships" is...perfect?
    No, that's being just as much of a slut as the guy who has one monogamous relationship per weekend behind the dumpster in the alley after the club closes (or, as I prefer, under the lifeguard stand at 5am on South Beach).

    Originally, monogamy meant being with your first love for the rest of your life, and never having a 2nd one (unless the first one dies).

    So don't get on your high horse thinking you're superior to us "sluts" who choose not to be "monogamous," because you've already stated you plan on being just as much of a slut as the rest of us.

    How is it being a “slut” if I sleep with just one guy in a period of say 6 or 8 months, and then move onto another guy for another certain amount of time? I’m referring to “slut” as in being promiscuous, which means you sleep with a lot of people in the same time span.

    And I never even insinuated that I was “superior” to ANYONE. So if you have an inferior complex I suggest you take up psychiatric help for that. Don’t come on here and attack me for my views, if you don’t agree fine, unlike some of you, I’m not shoving my beliefs down your throat.

    And no I do not think having only monogamous relationships ais perfect and nor am I saying its it‘s the right way to go, but people like YOU think that because we are gay we are not bound by and morals and shouldn't be. Well I have news for you buddy, some of us gays have something called self-respect. And if it bugs you, like I said, get outta my way.


    i agree with you completely, but unfortunately we are in the minority. It is rare to find a gay community, online or elsewhere, that has this line of thinking.

    Thank you. Don't get me wrong. I love the adult pics. Lol.
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    Jan 13, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
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    I'm sorry if I came of as a raging bitch. But its like I read some of these things where people ask questions or make comments and these other guys just thrash them and tell them that they are wrong and stupid for thinking that. Like on the thread "Alluring Virgins", wow. These guys are just crazy.

    But I understand what you are saying. And this is the first and last time i post something like this. icon_smile.gif thanks for being understanding. icon_smile.gif

    I don't think I was trying to be understanding, I was being a well dick haha. Next time I'll remember to be more understanding before I post and well not as tired icon_razz.gif like now, but I am tired so...

    lol okay then . . . thanks?
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    Jan 13, 2011 1:22 AM GMT
    Tonync1969 saidI agree with you totally. My idea is that regardless of orientation, taking ideas from what you read, learn about stereotypes should not point you in any direction, your own values should rule. Regardless of whether you're gay or straight. There's no rule book, nor should there be. I'm afraid that some young people see a guideline for how they should behave and they feel somewhat inadequate as a gay man if they don't. I say follow your heart.

    In my other reply to you, sorry if I might have come off as rude and imposing. And thank you, I will follow my heart. My heart comes up with the ideas, my brain articulates them icon_smile.gif. Thank you.