White Guy Shooting = Crazy; Brown Guy Shooting = Terrorist

  • metta

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    Jan 11, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    White Guy Shooting = Crazy; Brown Guy Shooting = Terrorist

    http://www.good.is/post/why-is-nobody-calling-jared-loughner-a-terrorist/
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    Jan 11, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
    I do agree with that premise, but given Loughner's likely mental illness it's probably not applicable in this case.

    But James Von Brunn (who shot up the Holocaust Museum), and Byron Williams (who was traveling to kill the staff at the Tides Foundation) are homeland terrorists and should be treated as such.
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    Jan 11, 2011 8:44 PM GMT
    I shudder to think what "black guy shooting" would be called. "Crazy terrorist"?

    Why are there no yellow guys shooting in the US, at least not in a political sense?

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    Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    I didn't think they're calling anyone a 'terrorist' anymore.
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    Jan 11, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    Why do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?
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    Jan 11, 2011 8:54 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

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    Jan 11, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

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    Or, it could be that the media is very ready to name Muslims terrorists but when homegrown terrorists attack (and they primarily target leftists), they are not called terrorists.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    StudlyScrewRite said
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

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    Or, it could be that the media is very ready to name Muslims terrorists but when homegrown terrorists attack (and they primarily target leftists), they are not called terrorists.


    Because it is considered more of an organized effort. We are at war with muslim extremists around the world and they continue to multiply and look for ways to infiltrate. Homegrown "terrorists" are usually working alone and are an isolated case.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    StudlyScrewRite said
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

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    Or, it could be that the media is very ready to name Muslims terrorists but when homegrown terrorists attack (and they primarily target leftists), they are not called terrorists.


    Because it is considered more of an organized effort. We are at war with muslim extremists around the world and they continue to multiply and look for ways to infiltrate. Homegrown "terrorists" are usually working alone and are an isolated case.


    That's a distinction without a difference. First of all, we are not "at war" with Muslim extremists. We were attacked by a specific group, Al Qaeda, whom we've blowing back into the Stone Age.

    And none of the people I cited above are working alone or in isolation. They are the violent extremists of Antisemitism (James von Brunn), Byron Williams (Militia, anti-government movement and Glenn Beck fan club), and Scott Roeder (pro-life movement).

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    Jan 11, 2011 11:49 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    StudlyScrewRite said
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

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    Or, it could be that the media is very ready to name Muslims terrorists but when homegrown terrorists attack (and they primarily target leftists), they are not called terrorists.


    Because it is considered more of an organized effort. We are at war with muslim extremists around the world and they continue to multiply and look for ways to infiltrate. Homegrown "terrorists" are usually working alone and are an isolated case.


    That's a distinction without a difference. First of all, we are not "at war" with Muslim extremists. We were attacked by a specific group, Al Qaeda, whom we've blowing back into the Stone Age.

    And none of the people I cited above are working alone or in isolation. They are the violent extremists of Antisemitism (James von Brunn), Byron Williams (Militia, anti-government movement and Glenn Beck fan club), and Scott Roeder (pro-life movement).



    The most pro-semitic political party in America are the republicans, the most anitsemitic are the democrats, so please, don't even remotely try to pull this one.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:54 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    StudlyScrewRite said
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8XKrxjt0e7TcmOIOPeYs


    Or, it could be that the media is very ready to name Muslims terrorists but when homegrown terrorists attack (and they primarily target leftists), they are not called terrorists.


    Because it is considered more of an organized effort. We are at war with muslim extremists around the world and they continue to multiply and look for ways to infiltrate. Homegrown "terrorists" are usually working alone and are an isolated case.


    That's a distinction without a difference. First of all, we are not "at war" with Muslim extremists. We were attacked by a specific group, Al Qaeda, whom we've blowing back into the Stone Age.

    And none of the people I cited above are working alone or in isolation. They are the violent extremists of Antisemitism (James von Brunn), Byron Williams (Militia, anti-government movement and Glenn Beck fan club), and Scott Roeder (pro-life movement).



    The most pro-semitic political party in America are the republicans, the most anitsemitic are the democrats, so please, don't even remotely try to pull this one.


    What are you talking about? I never mentioned either party. I outlined three examples of homegrown terrorists and the movements they are associated with. You're defensiveness speaks volumes. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
    Bullshit. I read an article that said Jared Loughner may be convicted for terrorism charges.
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidFirst of all, we are not "at war" with Muslim extremists.


    But what do you think about Christian extremists?
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidSensible People = Wait And See What The Investigation Of the Arizona Shooting Uncovers


    bonus points
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    Jan 11, 2011 11:59 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidBullshit. I read an article that said Jared Loughner may be convicted for terrorism charges.


    That's not the question. The question is why isn't the media referring to him (or the others we've pointed out) as a terrorist.

    I find all religious extremists equally distasteful, and all the cool, separation of church and State, folks of faith awesome. In fact, I am one of the latter.
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    Jan 12, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    StudlyScrewRite said
    mocktwinkie saidWhy do you even bother to post garbage like this. The individual's mental state of mind plays a big factor in determining the nature of an attack-- do they have a particular driving philosophical agenda or are they just crazy? Are they working alone, or with others?


    methinks this reason

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8XKrxjt0e7TcmOIOPeYs


    Or, it could be that the media is very ready to name Muslims terrorists but when homegrown terrorists attack (and they primarily target leftists), they are not called terrorists.


    Because it is considered more of an organized effort. We are at war with muslim extremists around the world and they continue to multiply and look for ways to infiltrate. Homegrown "terrorists" are usually working alone and are an isolated case.


    That's a distinction without a difference. First of all, we are not "at war" with Muslim extremists. We were attacked by a specific group, Al Qaeda, whom we've blowing back into the Stone Age.

    And none of the people I cited above are working alone or in isolation. They are the violent extremists of Antisemitism (James von Brunn), Byron Williams (Militia, anti-government movement and Glenn Beck fan club), and Scott Roeder (pro-life movement).



    The most pro-semitic political party in America are the republicans, the most anitsemitic are the democrats, so please, don't even remotely try to pull this one.


    What are you talking about? I never mentioned either party. I outlined three examples of homegrown terrorists and the movements they are associated with. You're defensiveness speaks volumes. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes you did, you specifically mentioned Beck and the "pro-life" stance as a way of hinting that anti-semitic thoughts reside with republicans.
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    Yes you did, you specifically mentioned Beck and the "pro-life" stance as a way of hinting that anti-semitic thoughts reside with republicans.


    Beck is a self-described Independent and there are pro-life Democrats, though they tend to be less strident. And I wasn't "hinting" at anything. I was very clear about my statement.
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    Jan 12, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
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    Yes you did, you specifically mentioned Beck and the "pro-life" stance as a way of hinting that anti-semitic thoughts reside with republicans.


    Beck is a self-described Independent and there are pro-life Democrats, though they tend to be less strident. And I wasn't "hinting" at anything. I was very clear about my statement.


    I guess I'll have to take that at face value then.

    To respond to your earlier comment, we are indeed at war with Al Qaeda -- muslim extremists. It is not the same as isolated terrorists.
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    Jan 12, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
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    Yes you did, you specifically mentioned Beck and the "pro-life" stance as a way of hinting that anti-semitic thoughts reside with republicans.


    Beck is a self-described Independent and there are pro-life Democrats, though they tend to be less strident. And I wasn't "hinting" at anything. I was very clear about my statement.


    I guess I'll have to take that at face value then.

    To respond to your earlier comment, we are indeed at war with Al Qaeda -- muslim extremists. It is not the same as isolated terrorists.


    Taking what I say at face value would be best, as I'm not a shrinking violet and generally say exactly what I mean.

    Yes. We were at war with Al Qaeda, but that ship has long sailed.

    And most of the terrorists regardless of Muslim or homegrown (like the Fort Hood shooter) are on fringe of larger volatile movements.

    I used to do clinic defense for NARAL, and the pro-lifers are quite scary up close. Anyone who believes they're acting on God's will politically usually is.
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    Jan 12, 2011 1:39 AM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON saidBullshit. I read an article that said Jared Loughner may be convicted for terrorism charges.


    That's not the question. The question is why isn't the media referring to him (or the others we've pointed out) as a terrorist.


    Because the bulk of terrorism is linked to a group that's promoting something. Muslim terrorists blow up shit to promote Muslim extremism. The Basque in Spain blow up shit to promote separating from Spain. This guy blew up shit because he's psychotic. You can manipulate the word terrorism to cover a broad spectrum of violence. But what he did is different that killing for the sake of promoting something that you have agreed on with a bunch of other people. His intent separates him from the vast majority of "terrorists" because he acted alone. He is insane by Democratic and Republican standards.
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    Jan 12, 2011 2:29 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    Yes. We were at war with Al Qaeda, but that ship has long sailed.


    That's a very scary statement.


    No. It isn't. The war is over at a draw. We've blown Al Qaeda back to the Stone Age, while killing thousands of innocents as well. We can keep sending troops there but it will only serve to harm our country. Better to remove ourselves and focus on the more effective and less costly counter-terrorism and coordinated anti-terror policing.
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    Jan 12, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON saidBullshit. I read an article that said Jared Loughner may be convicted for terrorism charges.


    That's not the question. The question is why isn't the media referring to him (or the others we've pointed out) as a terrorist.


    Because the bulk of terrorism is linked to a group that's promoting something. Muslim terrorists blow up shit to promote Muslim extremism. The Basque in Spain blow up shit to promote separating from Spain. This guy blew up shit because he's psychotic. You can manipulate the word terrorism to cover a broad spectrum of violence. But what he did is different that killing for the sake of promoting something that you have agreed on with a bunch of other people. His intent separates him from the vast majority of "terrorists" because he acted alone. He is insane by Democratic and Republican standards.


    Loughner is not at issue, but the broader context in which (largely, though not exclusively) white American men who commit acts of terror - and mass murder or murder of political enemies IS terrorism - are not portrayed us such in our media.
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    Jan 12, 2011 3:15 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    JAKEBENSON said
    Christian73 said
    JAKEBENSON saidBullshit. I read an article that said Jared Loughner may be convicted for terrorism charges.


    That's not the question. The question is why isn't the media referring to him (or the others we've pointed out) as a terrorist.



    Loughner is not at issue, but the broader context in which (largely, though not exclusively) white American men who commit acts of terror - and mass murder or murder of political enemies IS terrorism - are not portrayed us such in our media.


    Well I wouldnt mind calling him a terrorist, if the facts fit. That would imply some information it was part of a larger organized attempt to cause terror

    The "Crazy" and "Terrorist:" label problem I think the writer uses the wrong cases. And the reporter has a short memory. Hasan's case needs to be ligated, but it was clear he wasnt happy with the being a muslim and a Army doctor. So the jury is out on that one

    There are 2 cases below when non whites who perform mass murder didnt get the "terrorist" label.




    Mineola Massacre
    Mcvay was labeled a terrorist wasnt he?
    Here are a 2 cases I can recall below where non whites were labeled murderers. Despite the possible hints or information that hate crimes were in order.

    Growng up in Long Island, I worked and lived near the Mineola Long Island station were a African American shot a good many people on a Long Island railroad train.

    Fergusen's was consistently labeled mass murderer or LIRR murderer, but there was some evidence he was missing a few cards from the deck. He tried to assert a "BLACK RAGE " defense, given credence that it was racially motivated. But never labeled a black terrorist.


    DC sniper case. One of the guys was named Muhammed btw.



    The media coverage of the case despite the one year post 911 time period, there scant to few mention of a BELTWAY TERRORIST.
    In prison Malvo mentioned some terrorist symbols, Police believe however the older shooter was trying to cover up killing his wife. And the young Malvo was trying to get "cred" in prison


    The blogger needs to research a bit more.