France is our biggest ally, declares Obama: President's blow to Special Relationship with Britain

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    Jan 12, 2011 4:23 AM GMT
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346006/Barack-Obama-declares-France-biggest-ally-blow-Special-Relationship-Britain.html

    Barack Obama has declared that France is America’s greatest ally, undermining Britain’s Special Relationship with the U.S.

    The President risked offending British troops in Afghanistan by saying that French president Nicolas Sarkozy is a ‘stronger friend’ than David Cameron.

    The remarks, during a White House appearance with Mr Sarkozy, will reinforce the widely-held view in British diplomatic circles that Mr Obama has less interest in the Special Relationship than any other recent American leader.

    Mr Obama said: 'We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'
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    Jan 12, 2011 4:44 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346006/Barack-Obama-declares-France-biggest-ally-blow-Special-Relationship-Britain.html

    Barack Obama has declared that France is America’s greatest ally, undermining Britain’s Special Relationship with the U.S.

    The President risked offending British troops in Afghanistan by saying that French president Nicolas Sarkozy is a ‘stronger friend’ than David Cameron.

    The remarks, during a White House appearance with Mr Sarkozy, will reinforce the widely-held view in British diplomatic circles that Mr Obama has less interest in the Special Relationship than any other recent American leader.

    Mr Obama said: 'We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'


    Hopefully the see that Hillary is actually runing the foreign policy game. Obama is too busy playing pattycake in the U.S.

    But for the US, its good to smooze the french but watch our backs with them. They tend to be superficial and enjoy stuff like that.

    I did think it was weird that Obama gave back the bust of Churchill.

    Maybe he just reread les miserables? who knows what influences that guy.
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    Jan 12, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    Move along folks. Nothing to see here...
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:01 AM GMT
    "Mr Obama said: 'We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'"

    He said 'don't have a stronger', which infers France is equal to your other allies, which is the usual political speak to pat the French on the back and not put down the others. How's that for cynical? (It's the reality of politics *chorus of violins*). 3 ? 5? Eleventeen? icon_wink.gif

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    Jan 12, 2011 5:02 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    "Mr Obama said: 'We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'"

    He said 'don't have a stronger', which infers France is equal to your other allies.

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    Doug - You cannot dissuade these people through logic.
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
    Well boys you be sure to tune in to Becks Black Board tomorrow and he'll certainly give you a full explaination of how Obama is ruining our special relationship with UK, Have Beck add up all the pay offs to other country's for his "COALITION" of those "with us" against Iraq. Do you remember what our promises or payoffs were to the UK ? If Beck doesn't put up these figures on his own, Send a letter requesting that info. of Beck and maybe he'll put it up on that blackboard of his. And ya know everything he puts on that Black Board is 100% truth, yep you can count on that now. Believe his every word !!!

    After all, War Mongering with little country's like Iraq who are such a huge threat over weapons of Mass distruction Makes us look so much better in the eys of the rest of the world than Obama's actions. Yessereee !!!! That Bush set up our country as a real Super Power didn't he !!! Uh huh !!! How much did he borrow from China again ??
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    meninlove said
    "Mr Obama said: 'We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'"

    He said 'don't have a stronger', which infers France is equal to your other allies.

    -Doug



    Doug - You cannot dissuade these people through logic.

    I'm persistent, Christian. Dad says so. icon_wink.gif

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    ..one day, he said relentless....icon_eek.gificon_lol.gif
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:37 AM GMT
    Please tell Mr Obama next time America picks a fight, invades another country and ignores their sovereignty for oil, don't drag the Aussie diggers into it to protect you backs then send us a bill for the inconvenience of it all.

    Also Obama where the bloody hell are you. You have promised twice to come down to Oz, cost us a shit load of our taxes, resources, and the inconvenience to the people of NSW from their city be put in lock down just to protect your whinny arse, and you don't even show up, certainly not a man of his word; no integrity what so ever.
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:45 AM GMT
    Oh my god WHY is this an issue?

    First of all it's not like France is far behind Britain. IMO they're both in the top 5 of "U.S. friends" list so it doesn't matter who is #1. Second of all if you take everything historically into account France and the U.S. have been tighter than the Britain and the U.S.
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidPlease tell Mr Obama next time America picks a fight, invades another country and ignores their sovereignty for oil, don't drag the Aussie diggers into it to protect you backs then send us a bill for the inconvenience of it all.

    Also Obama where the bloody hell are you. You have promised twice to come down to Oz, cost us a shit load of our taxes, resources, and the inconvenience to the people of NSW from their city be put in lock down just to protect your whinny arse, and you don't even show up, certainly not a man of his word; no integrity what so ever.


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    Jan 12, 2011 5:50 AM GMT
    Nah...........icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:54 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidMove along folks. Nothing to see here...


    Let's not be so quick to denounce the article as it was a very good read. This is the "News & Politics" section right? I knew most of it before but still interesting to chronicle the relationship and tensions between these three countries over the decades. In many senses both Nations have been our biggest allies in different ways and it seems to stem from what wars we are/not on the same side of.

    What seems evident is that largely Democratic Presidents look to the French for strong allies and vice versa for the other party and country.

    It is interesting to read the comments of many of the British on the British ran site. Many of them are irate over the struggling relations with this Administration. I know a lot of British don't agree with the Iraq war but from the comments it seems to be less about the fact that we are in war but what they have sacrificed in the last decade as opposed to the French.
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    Jan 12, 2011 5:55 AM GMT
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    True_blue_aussie saidPlease tell Mr Obama next time America picks a fight, invades another country and ignores their sovereignty for oil, don't drag the Aussie diggers into it to protect you backs then send us a bill for the inconvenience of it all.

    Also Obama where the bloody hell are you. You have promised twice to come down to Oz, cost us a shit load of our taxes, resources, and the inconvenience to the people of NSW from their city be put in lock down just to protect your whinny arse, and you don't even show up, certainly not a man of his word; no integrity what so ever.


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    lol Winner!
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    Jan 12, 2011 6:00 AM GMT
    Hmm, the title of this topic was Obama saying France was your BIGGEST ally, which is not what he said at all.

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    Jan 12, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
    That's diplomatic nicey-nice talk, and doesn't mean that we value one ally more than any other. I do love to remind francophobes that we owe our independence to France's help in the American Revoltion.
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    Jan 12, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
    This is typical nonsense from the Daily Mail, a British paper that routinely riles against, inter alia, non-white people [watch out, riddler], immigrants, women, the BBC, etc. It longs for a historic Britain, which of course never existed, that is the Britain of the Empire but without the moral chasm of colonialism---most likely somewhere near Balmoral.

    Therefore, any perceived slight by the Americans---a bunch of ungrateful oafish colonials to the Daily Mail, though admittedly rather powerful---is a mortal blow.

    For those of us who live in the real world, the UK and the USA have a productive and largely successful relationship. The "Special Relationship" is almost entirely a figment of British imagination, and a last bastion of the time in which Britain was a military power.

    If only we would all remember why we got rid of the Empire, we might all be a little happier.
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    Jan 12, 2011 9:02 PM GMT
    Well, Canadians tended to think we, America's younger brothers, were also her biggest allies. Apparently we were the only nation whose military were permitted access to the gulf area after Hurricane Katrina hit.

    And to think...Obama would likely have won an election even here in Canada if he were running!!!!
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    Jan 12, 2011 9:03 PM GMT
    This special relationship does exist. Witness what it did to Tony Blair, documenting his metamorphosis from a Liberal PM respected by the British press, to... Bush's poodle. icon_razz.gif
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-397106/Proof-Blair-Bushs-poodle---president-calls-My-boy.html
    No one knows for sure if George W. Bush regards Tony Blair as his poodle - but he certainly addresses him as one.

    The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the President has greeted him with a cry of "Blair!" and told him: "You"re my boy."

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    Jan 12, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
    antelope saidThat's diplomatic nicey-nice talk, and doesn't mean that we value one ally more than any other. I do love to remind francophobes that we owe our independence to France's help in the American Revoltion.

    Agree. Lost in our mythology about the American Revolution is the fact that France was as important to our independence as anything that George Washington did on the battlefield. And we overlook that that Benjamin Franklin stage-managed much of it while he was in Paris. Or that the ruinous expenditure to the French government was a contributor to their own subsequent revolution.

    Now I've gotten beaten up here in the past over my dislike for the French Canadians who come down to south Florida where I live today, and who act like total jerks. And about the French when I lived in Europe for 2 years (and how many here have done that themselves?).

    But it remains true that France in the 18th Century was essential to the independence of the United States, which wouldn't have happened without their support. This country owes a lasting debt to France, no matter what I may personally think about their horrible individual manners and revolting personal behavior. As I often say, even the French hate the French.
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:39 PM GMT
    When I think of France, the first thing after the very modern and architecturally interesting bathrooms alongside their highways that are covered in rubbish is the following scene:

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    As far as calling France an important ally, I wouldn't be so sure. It sounds like a case of blowing smoke up Sarkozy's ass.
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:48 PM GMT
    It's a common tactic often used in television commercials to promote a product that is the same as all the others..

    Such as :
    TV ad: "No other bleach outperforms Clorox bleach."

    That's true, they're not lying, that no other bleach outperforms Clorox but all the rest can perform just the same. They just don't "outperform" it.
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    Jan 12, 2011 11:58 PM GMT
    Nice logic there beneful. I can also point out that the French people and Sarkozy don't constitute France in all its myriad meanings and history. Robespierre or the various 19th century French monarchs, for example, are definitely not our biggest allies.

    The president can use the same phrase when he goes to Australia just to keep people happy.

    "We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Australia."

    !=

    "Australia is our biggest ally"
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    Jan 13, 2011 5:34 AM GMT
    O-M-G! I lyke totally heard that the U.S. of A isn't inviting Great Britain to its birthday party. The U.S., is going to have a magician and a bounce house.

    Since they aren't besties anymore, England is asking the U.S. to give back its language (that the U.S. has been borrowing and totally ruined).
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    Jan 13, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    It's part of a President's job to flirt with the leaders of all countries.
    That makes them all feel special.

    Or, he could do as the Republicans and alienate all of them...