How can people vote for a Bigot"race baiter", and Clinton for president, who is just as bad a bush.

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    Mar 26, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., mentioned his white grandmother - the one who raised him after age 10 - in his speech on racism this week. Then he for the most part called her a raciest. She is "a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe," Obama said. Talk about throwing here under the buss. Although Clinton has more BALLS to defend our country than Barack. He would be trying to sit down to dinner with them.


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    Mar 26, 2008 1:45 PM GMT
    just because clinton is quicker on the trigger doesn't mean she has more balls. that type of hawkish american imperialism is what got the US in its mess in the first place.

    but then again she'd be so caught up in paying back favors to the lobbyists and special interests she has backing her, she might miss that ever important phone call in the middle of the night. icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 26, 2008 1:57 PM GMT
    Did you just hear that quote out of context? Because I don't know how you could have heard or read the speech and thought that he 'threw her under a bus.'
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    Mar 26, 2008 2:02 PM GMT
    Oh, all politicians are the same underneath the surface, whatever the political party is called, or how conservative or liberal they say they are. They'll all screw us over for a big win and success of some kind under their name. It's like Senate, White House and Congress are like High Schools, and everyone wants to the most popular kid on the block, and everyone there is playing with everyone else's welfare. Sure, I know whom I voting for, but I know that democrat or republican, conservative or liberal; I'm going to have deal with the face that they're going to screw us all over at one point or another. So please, don't hate each other for believing as you do; hate the politicians who manipulated you into such a devoted drone.
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    Mar 26, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    mrburns saidAlthough Clinton has more BALLS to defend our country than Barack. He would be trying to sit down to dinner with them.


    Ah ignorance.

    Yes lets elect the one who can best defend us against the problems we created ourselves. Bigger military, more support to Israel, sticking out guns into select conflicts involving oil, jeez I wonder parts of the world don't like us....
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    Mar 26, 2008 3:20 PM GMT
    right on, brother Trance.
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    Mar 26, 2008 3:26 PM GMT
    Trance23 said[quote][cite]mrburns said[/cite]Although Clinton has more BALLS to defend our country than Barack. He would be trying to sit down to dinner with them.


    Ah ignorance.

    Yes lets elect the one who can best defend us against the problems we created ourselves. Bigger military, more support to Israel, sticking out guns into select conflicts involving oil, jeez I wonder parts of the world don't like us....[/quote]

    The US education system should really teach more about the history of the rest of the world, it would go a long way towards lessening the misunderstandings that crop up. Take for example putting anti-ballistic missiles near Russia. The USA cannot understand why Russia is so upset. The Russians have a tendency to be very paranoid about things, but with good reason. They were invaded in 1812 by Napoleon, in 1914 by the Kaiser, in 1918-19 by the Allies supporting the White Russians, and in 1941 by Hitler. The USA has not been invaded since, I cannot remember, yet it sees enemies everywhere.
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    Mar 26, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    I consider myself a staunch "Bushy" Republican and I really don't want to see Senator Obama become the President but; I find nothing at all wrong with Senator Obama's speach, I find it refreshingly honest.
    In our politically correct landscape he is the only one who can traverse it. He is the only candidate who can address the issue. It's an issue that needs to be addressed openly and fairly. This has been a festering wound for decades and it needs to be drained and healed. Enough is enough!


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    Mar 26, 2008 6:00 PM GMT
    wellwell saidAlthough I think Obama is dumb-as-a-post, I greatly admired him for having successfully "soared" far-above the race issue. That is, until that stupid racist speech he gave last week, which, seriously, exposed his true thoughts on the matter. ...Seems that the Minorities, are the only racists left and refuse to mature.

    That being said, I intend to gleefully vote for him- just to keep the Bush-style, prevaricating Marxist: McCain, far away! (...And this is a Ronald Reagan-Republican speaking.)

    I, for one, am looking forward to 4 years of a know-nothing do-nothing presidency- completely scrutinized, the way a McCain would not endure (because he is so-establishment). Such scrutiny of government is a very good thing to look forward to.

    Let us hope Pres. Obama winds up with a fully-Republican congress. Such constipated gridlock will be just the kind of "rest" this nation needs. BTW let's hold Obama's feet to the fire on his anti-war promises!


    Seems that the Minorities, are the only racists left and refuse to mature? I'm going to go away and pretend that racial slurs and discrimination have never been cast my way or towards my family and that people of color have nothing to worry about ever. Where is that hole in the sand I'm supposed to bury my head in again?

  • Mar 26, 2008 6:12 PM GMT
    i like how some people use the phrase " us people with color" meaning the blacks, Asians, central and south Americans ect. ect. Not the whites tough right because we are the suppressors. We are the only ones to blame in all the problems America is facing today.

    See there in lies the problem. Its not a matter of dividing and separating us as people or as a country for that matter. Such ignorance is going to keep us in the downfall that we are in right now. We have to think as one nation and not as twenty different nations if we want real change.



    Gay, black, white, lesbian, Asian, Hispanic.....who cares.......look at someone for who they are and not what they are.



    VOTE DEMOCRATE
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    Mar 26, 2008 6:21 PM GMT
    jbarry86 saidVOTE DEMOCRATE


    Er, that's "Democratic"
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    Mar 26, 2008 7:21 PM GMT
    I think that if people think that they are so progressive at electing Obama, they will be rudely awakened if he gets elected. I admire Obama, but if anyone thinks he will be against special interest groups, then they are very wrong. Schwarzenegger said that he will not succumb to the lobbyists, but he did...I mean who got him into power? I would love to see a non-white person in power, or a woman, it's just that people have to see things for what they are. There are still black people that think they shouldn't work but get restitution from white men for slavery. Being an immigrant, I think that that is appalling. Look at the Chinese and Hispanic people, they work their assess off. Now, I am talking about a minority of African Americans, since I know plenty that are very driven and successful people. There are also rules set in the established government. To win the elections is one thing, but to make everything work is another issue. Some changes just will not be made. Look at Kusinich or Ron Paul...they have some good ideas, but they are very radical and the system will just not allow any of those ideas to come to fruition.
    It is all a political game, but it is not possible to jump from one extreme (Bush) to another (Obama) and not pay the consequences. I am sure plenty of people will get angry with what I wrote, but I would love to hear what everyone has to say. I am open to any information that I might now have known. I am sorry if I offend anyone, but this is what I think.
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    Mar 26, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    Stas saidI think that if people think that they are so progressive at electing Obama, they will be rudely awakened if he gets elected. I admire Obama, but if anyone thinks he will be against special interest groups, then they are very wrong.


    Obama does not accept campaign contributions from lobbyists as a matter of policy. He has raised a record amount of money, over 94% of which is from small donors under $200. To put that in perspective small donors make up on 13% of McCain's contributions and 26% of Clinton's.

    So if he isn't accepting their cash and big donors represent less than 6% of his total contributions he looks damn ready to stand up against special interest groups.
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    Mar 26, 2008 9:00 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said[quote][cite]Stas said[/cite]I think that if people think that they are so progressive at electing Obama, they will be rudely awakened if he gets elected. I admire Obama, but if anyone thinks he will be against special interest groups, then they are very wrong.


    Obama does not accept campaign contributions from lobbyists as a matter of policy. He has raised a record amount of money, over 94% of which is from small donors under $200. To put that in perspective small donors make up on 13% of McCain's contributions and 26% of Clinton's.

    So if he isn't accepting their cash and big donors represent less than 6% of his total contributions he looks damn ready to stand up against special interest groups.[/quote]

    If he does he will be the first president in a long time to be able to do so. Every president as far as I remember has a basis of support that they do not want to piss off. Reagan had the moral majority to keep happy but had no problems staring down the unions (eg. the air traffic controllers).

    The bigger problem from where I sit as an interested outsider, is the Congress with lobbyists all over the place trying to influence senators and house members into supporting or not supporting a bill. I would love to see the major drug companies get squeezed a bit in order to reduce health care costs, or stiffer gun control laws get put into place, but I am not holding my breath.

    I appreciate living in a country that has a parliamentary system, things can actually get done (although you don't always agree with what they are doing), and the budget usually gets approved before the fiscal year begins.
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    Mar 26, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
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    The US education system should really teach more about the history of the rest of the world, it would go a long way towards lessening the misunderstandings that crop up. Take for example putting anti-ballistic missiles near Russia. The USA cannot understand why Russia is so upset. The Russians have a tendency to be very paranoid about things, but with good reason. They were invaded in 1812 by Napoleon, in 1914 by the Kaiser, in 1918-19 by the Allies supporting the White Russians, and in 1941 by Hitler. The USA has not been invaded since, I cannot remember, yet it sees enemies everywhere.


    Alongside that I would recommend students learn the truth about the history of the various presidential candidates as well as supporting advisors.

    Since were on the subject of Russia lets look at one of Obama's foreign policy consultants. Zbigniew Brzezinski bragged in a french paper about how the US backed militants in Afghanistan as a way to goad the Soviets into an invasion. When asked if he regretted the million+ Afgan's who died between 1979-1989 as a result of a US instigated conflict he replied “Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it?” Yet another necon advising in the white house. Just what we need.

    Source: http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/brzezinski.html
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    And yet again, so many of you are guided and/or influenced by the "art of distraction."

    Plus, its interesting albeit sad to witness that even on RealJock, anti-semitism, racism and ignorance is alive and well - by such young persons who are able to cast a vote.

    And the beat goes on and on . . .

    B787
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    Mar 26, 2008 9:39 PM GMT
    mrburns saidSen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., mentioned his white grandmother - the one who raised him after age 10 - in his speech on racism this week. Then he for the most part called her a raciest. She is "a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe," Obama said. Talk about throwing here under the buss. Although Clinton has more BALLS to defend our country than Barack. He would be trying to sit down to dinner with them.




    Are you really that dense?
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    Mar 26, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    Trance,

    Your understanding of the Russo-Afghan conflict is pretty selective. I understand you are not an Obama supporter but the Kubler-Ross model would have you eventually move to acceptance.

    kisses,

    -MZ
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    Trance23 said[quote][cite]mrburns said[/cite]Although Clinton has more BALLS to defend our country than Barack. He would be trying to sit down to dinner with them.


    Ah ignorance.

    Yes lets elect the one who can best defend us against the problems we created ourselves. Bigger military, more support to Israel, sticking out guns into select conflicts involving oil, jeez I wonder parts of the world don't like us....[/quote] As an Aussie. one is happy to have the USA as an ally. Yet this does mean we have to go and help you guys fight the troubles you make. But parts of the world, "hate you."

    Yet, At the same time, one feels sorry for the US of A. Look back to the two World wars. America was last to get in. As they did not want to be involved, and damned they were for taking so long to do so. Because once they got into it. The fat lady started to get ready to sing, and One does not eat rice, and speak Japanese, thank to America's involvement in World War II.

    So Now America is in a potion of world power, damned., if they do nothing, and then damned if they do... But......none the less. If O'l Iron Knickers Hilary gets in. The first thing she will have to do, is start another war, so she can put her name on it, and prove, the hair on her chest, runs all the way dawn to her balls. She will be out to Prove, she is able to play with the boys. God bless America.
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    Mar 26, 2008 9:52 PM GMT
    This has absolutely no relation to the thread but this forum could use a topic about how to use the reply tools properly. Like quotes...
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    Mar 26, 2008 9:53 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidThis has absolutely no relation to the thread but this forum could use a topic about how to use the reply tools properly. Like quotes...


    Though we have disagreed about a number of political issues, I am 100% behind you on this one my friend.
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    MunchingZombie said[quote][cite]Trance23 said[/cite]This has absolutely no relation to the thread but this forum could use a topic about how to use the reply tools properly. Like quotes...


    Though we have disagreed about a number of political issues, I am 100% behind you on this one my friend.[/quote]

    Yeah!
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    Mar 26, 2008 10:53 PM GMT
    " Although Clinton has more BALLS to defend our country than Barack. He would be trying to sit down to dinner with them. "


    What's wrong with a little diplomacy and being less trigger happy?
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    Mar 26, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    Note that "Mr Burns" is gone again. He IS the same troll who first appeared here a few months ago pretending to be a 20-year old hottie. In fact, he is most likely a depressed, sad, chubby, unkempt 45-year old man with a bad comb-over, living in his mama's garage (we have no basements in Florida). PATHETIC.
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    Mar 26, 2008 11:04 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidThis has absolutely no relation to the thread but this forum could use a topic about how to use the reply tools properly. Like quotes...
    To you maybe. Always open to learn.