"Blood libel" turns out to be a right-wing talking point...

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    From Talking Points Memo:

    Josh Marshall
    Palin's Use Of 'Blood Libel' Mirrors That In Right-Wing Media

    Before Sarah Palin posted her Facebook provocation this morning accusing the media of committing "blood libel" for connecting some of her statements to the attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), that phrase was being batted around by the conservative media.

    Andrew Brietbart used the phrase in a tweet last night (though it's likely Palin's video, posted in the early morning hours Wednesday, was filmed before that tweet).

    "Blood libel" popped up in a Wall Street Journal op-ed by professor and Pajamas TV host Glenn Reynolds. "Where is the decency in blood libel?" he wrote on Monday, Jan. 10.

    Adam Graham of Renew America was the first to use the phrase in reference to the Tucson shootings, according to a search of Google News.

    But the very first reference to "blood libel" in the wake of the Tucson massacre came from political consultant Jon Henke, who used the phrase on Twitter the same day as the shootings, according to Google's realtime search.

    Reaction to Palin's use of the phrase, which refers to the Middle Age anti-Semitic accusation that Jews killed Christian children and used their blood in ritual food for Passover, was -- like all things Palin -- mixed.

    A Jewish Democratic political consultant told Politico it was "absolutely inappropriate."

    "The blood libel is something anti-Semites have historically used in Europe as an excuse to murder Jews -- the comparison is stupid. Jews and rational people will find it objectionable," said Hank Sheinkopf. "This will forever link her to the events in Tucson. It deepens the hole she's already dug for herself."

    But Reynolds defended his -- and her -- use of the phrase in an e-mail to Ben Smith. "I am of course aware -- and I imagine the very pro-Israel Palin is, too -- of *The* Blood Libel from medieval times, but one sees false associations with murder called *a* blood libel without reference to that," Reynolds wrote.

    The National Review also says the phrase is more common than people think.

    Given that Palin is a strong supporter of Israel, it's likely she knew the history of the phrase. Even a quick Google search would have turned up this Wikipedia entry as the first result.
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    Jan 13, 2011 6:56 AM GMT
    Christian, thank you for posting this. The use of "Blood libel" is only being made a big deal because Sarah Palin said it. Even Jewish Harvard liberal Alan Dershowitz didn't think it was inappropriate the way Palin used it. This is yet another example of people pouncing on Palin as if it's a "Gotcha" moment. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 13, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidShe probably doesn't even know what "Blood Libel" is. She is so dumb.

    +1
  • Webster666

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    Jan 13, 2011 7:18 AM GMT
    She's stupid, ignorant, and careless.
    And, she honestly believes that nothing is ever her fault.
    Obviously, somebody wrote that speech for her.
    And, it was easy to see that she was reading from a teleprompter which was reflected in her glasses.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 13, 2011 12:40 PM GMT
    The use of the term begs the point
    what imagery did the user want to conjure up when using the term in the first place?
    Blood?
    what was the point?
    Did she know the ties the words had to jews in the past?
    It doesn't matter if she did or not
    Because it's been used before and Ms Palin doesn't act alone
    like the staff member who went on radio to excuse the gun site map .... saying that they were mere surveyor's marks icon_rolleyes.gif Oy!
    Palin has people around her who SHOULD have known

    So Sara? When you send some roses? Make sure they're not red
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    Jan 13, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    jprichva saidApparently Todd would find a way to excuse Sarah Palin if she used the term "faggot" too. After all, she could just be referring to a bundle of sticks. Couldn't she? Couldn't she? You liberals are just trying to hang her.



    Nope, sorry, not true. There is no indication whatsoever that Sarah Palin used the term "blood libel" in any way to offend Jewish people. If it did offend some Jewish people, well that is unfounded because it certainly wasn't intended and I think anyone with a brain would know that it wasn't in any way intended to offend, but merely make a point. But if you want to whine about her using some term that harkens back to medieval times and probably isn't even that familiar to people (other than Jewish) in this day and age, knock yourself out. Let it ruin your day, week, or your entire 2011 --- better yet, just GET OVER IT! icon_rolleyes.gif

    By the way, where was your outrage when all the other people Christian pointed out that used the term? Oh, that's right, this time Sarah Palin used it icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 13, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    jprichva saidApparently Todd would find a way to excuse Sarah Palin if she used the term "faggot" too. After all, she could just be referring to a bundle of sticks. Couldn't she? Couldn't she? You liberals are just trying to hang her.



    Nope, sorry, not true. There is no indication whatsoever that Sarah Palin used the term "blood libel" in any way to offend Jewish people. If it did offend some Jewish people, well that is unfounded because it certainly wasn't intended and I think anyone with a brain would know that it wasn't in any way intended to offend, but merely make a point. But if you want to whine about her using some term that harkens back to medieval times and probably isn't even that familiar to people (other than Jewish) in this day and age, knock yourself out. Let it ruin your day, week, or your entire 2011 --- better yet, just GET OVER IT! icon_rolleyes.gif

    By the way, where was your outrage when all the other people Christian pointed out that used the term? Oh, that's right, this time Sarah Palin used it icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    This obsession with Palin is self re in-forcing. Its like a religion.

    I believe her feminine existence married with anything but a liberal stance is an abomination to some.

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    Jan 13, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
    musclmed said

    This obsession with Palin is self re in-forcing. Its like a religion.

    I believe her feminine existence married with anything but a liberal stance is an abomination to some.



    It's truly amazing to watch and almost a phenomenon in of itself. Sarah Palin farts and the blogoshere goes berserk. They give everything Sarah Palin says and does far more weight than it deserves. Hilarious! icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 13, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    musclmed said

    This obsession with Palin is self re in-forcing. Its like a religion.

    I believe her feminine existence married with anything but a liberal stance is an abomination to some.



    It's truly amazing to watch and almost a phenomenon in of itself. Sarah Palin farts and the blogoshere goes berserk. They give everything Sarah Palin says and does far more weight than it deserves. Hilarious! icon_lol.gif


    Agreed. I think it's just that she's controversial and makes for good headlines.
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    Jan 13, 2011 4:27 PM GMT
    Christian73 said<

    Agreed. I think it's just that she's controversial and makes for good headlines.



    True -- but if the left would stop giving everything she does so much weight, she would probably fade away. Instead, everything she says is blown up and dissected and only serves to make her a bigger celebrity. I don't even really think she will run for President, but some practically have her writing her inaugural speech already LOL
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    Jan 13, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said<

    Agreed. I think it's just that she's controversial and makes for good headlines.



    True -- but if the left would stop giving everything she does so much weight, she would probably fade away. Instead, everything she says is blown up and dissected and only serves to make her a bigger celebrity. I don't even really think she will run for President, but some practically have her writing her inaugural speech already LOL


    It's not just the left that does that. Beck, Limbaugh, Fox News all give her a platform and allow her say anything no matter how untrue or provocative without challenge.
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    Jan 13, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidBeck, Limbaugh, Fox News all give her a platform and allow her to say anything no matter how untrue or provocative without challenge.

    Well of course without challenge. Look at the guys here who rush to endorse it!

    And then we see the usual RJ suspects who echo the Party line. Amazing how within hours, even minutes, they're parroting this stuff. It does really make you wonder who's pulling the strings.

    But no, I can't make that observation. They call me a paranoid for it. Odd, I used the same skills in the US Army Military Police for investigations. But now I have to shut those talents down, dumb down, and ignore what we all see in front of us.

    So OK, these guys paste Republican talking points and we don't notice that. We pretend to think these are actually their own thoughts, and debate against a billboard.

    And we wonder why these threads go nowhere?
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    Jan 13, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
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    musclmed said

    This obsession with Palin is self re in-forcing. Its like a religion.

    I believe her feminine existence married with anything but a liberal stance is an abomination to some.



    It's truly amazing to watch and almost a phenomenon in of itself. Sarah Palin farts and the blogoshere goes berserk. They give everything Sarah Palin says and does far more weight than it deserves. Hilarious! icon_lol.gif


    Whats Hilarious and to me amazing, is that the simpleton Palin, (which fact the blogosphere does seem to love pointing out) is so successful at dumbing down the public. Whats alarming to me is when inteligent men like CuriousJ and Musclemed allow themselves to be pulled down to her level by defending her.

    Do you really want to associate yourself with that dumb woman and the likes of her buddy Beck, Bachman, Limbaugh and so on, all fellow defenders?. Do your really want to be dumbed down to that crowds level ? I rather doubt this dumb woman is your choice for the 'defacto' party leader and 'party darling' heading toward a run for president.

    Surely you two know better !!! If I were a republican, I'd be counting my blessings, that the dumb woman may finally have F'd up enough to be put aside for a far more inteligent candidate for President, who may just have a chance to win against Obama, now that the dumb woman is out of the way. Your party has been obsessed with this womans dumbed down politics and you embarass yourselves by backing her in spite of the obvious. Do yourselves a favor and let it (her) go. Pick somone in your party worth your efforts !!
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    Jan 13, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    Do you really want to associate yourself with that dumb woman and the likes of her buddy Beck, Bachman, Limbaugh and so on, all fellow defenders?. Do your really want to be dumbed down to that crowds level ? I rather doubt this dumb woman is your choice for the 'defacto' party leader and 'party darling' heading toward a run for president.


    This is the kind of attitude that really annoys the hell out of me. I'm not "dumbed down" by anybody. People like Beck, Bachman, and Limbaugh, while I certainly do not agree with everything they say (I can barely even listen to Beck), I still would never suggest that these people are not intelligent, or that they are idiots. This is the favorite argument you libs like to make to someone who doesn't think the way you do -- we must be idiots...sheep...unable to think for ourselves..."dumbed down". The condescending babble has no limits. Sarah Palin is what she is -- a former Governor, best selling author, reality TV show star, popular speaker on the campaign trail...polarizing figure...a huge celebrity with a gigantic fan base. She hasn't announced any run for the Presidency. I don't even think that will ever happen. Why on earth would this poor woman want to be President? Besides, there are many more eligible people who are far more qualified.
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    Jan 13, 2011 9:23 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    musclmed said

    This obsession with Palin is self re in-forcing. Its like a religion.

    I believe her feminine existence married with anything but a liberal stance is an abomination to some.



    It's truly amazing to watch and almost a phenomenon in of itself. Sarah Palin farts and the blogoshere goes berserk. They give everything Sarah Palin says and does far more weight than it deserves. Hilarious! icon_lol.gif


    Whats Hilarious and to me amazing, is that the simpleton Palin, (which fact the blogosphere does seem to love pointing out) is so successful at dumbing down the public. Whats alarming to me is when inteligent men like CuriousJ and Musclemed allow themselves to be pulled down to her level by defending her.

    Do you really want to associate yourself with that dumb woman and the likes of her buddy Beck, Bachman, Limbaugh and so on, all fellow defenders?. Do your really want to be dumbed down to that crowds level ? I rather doubt this dumb woman is your choice for the 'defacto' party leader and 'party darling' heading toward a run for president.

    Surely you two know better !!! If I were a republican, I'd be counting my blessings, that the dumb woman may finally have F'd up enough to be put aside for a far more inteligent candidate for President, who may just have a chance to win against Obama, now that the dumb woman is out of the way. Your party has been obsessed with this womans dumbed down politics and you embarass yourselves by backing her in spite of the obvious. Do yourselves a favor and let it (her) go. Pick somone in your party worth your efforts !!


    No i dont associate with them. How simple would life be. US vs Them.

    You superimpose other people and other conversations , even things others have said onto me.

    I just refuse to allow it to stand that "talk radio" or Palin is responsible.

    Liberals have been looking at the fairness doctrine to restart for a LONG time. Its wrong, I dont by it. And this unfortunate accusation of Palin causing anything Jared L did is part of that movement to quiet any debate, because progressives are losing the battle in elections.
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    Jan 13, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    I'll remind MuscleMed and CuriousJ that I do not blame what Palin said for the trigger being pulled. I'll repeat that the problem is that Palin, and her ilk are responsible adults and should show themselves to be such by verbalizing the good judgement to curb references and rhetoric tending toward gun violence. They're defence of their actions makes them look very small, ignorant, and immature. Then if you choose to defend them, your getting right into the same boat they're in. Whether its the dems or the repubs, the rhetoric references to guns and violence needs to stop.

    Coming from me a Liberal leaning person or not, it still goes that there's a time to defend and there's a time to just drop Palin and her Ilk in the media, because they do not help your causes, They're an embarassment to inteligent Republicans.
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    realifedad said I'll remind MuscleMed and CuriousJ that I do not blame what Palin said for the trigger being pulled. I'll repeat that the problem is that Palin, and her ilk are responsible adults and should show themselves to be such by verbalizing the good judgement to curb references and rhetoric tending toward gun violence. They're defence of their actions makes them look very small, ignorant, and immature. Then if you choose to defend them, your getting right into the same boat they're in. Whether its the dems or the repubs, the rhetoric references to guns and violence needs to stop.

    Coming from me a Liberal leaning person or not, it still goes that there's a time to defend and there's a time to just drop Palin and her Ilk in the media, because they do not help your causes, They're an embarassment to inteligent Republicans.


    Au contraire - quite the opposite. I do wonder if she even has Presidential ambitions. If anything she shows what fools her detractors are. Look at the reactions by you and others here on RJ over her have been after this incident. Insofar as she makes mistakes, the inclination towards overreaction makes her quite useful and instructive on the national stage.
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    Jan 13, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    realifedad said I'll remind MuscleMed and CuriousJ that I do not blame what Palin said for the trigger being pulled. I'll repeat that the problem is that Palin, and her ilk are responsible adults and should show themselves to be such by verbalizing the good judgement to curb references and rhetoric tending toward gun violence.



    I have no doubt that the tragedy that took place in Tucson in which, right or wrong, the use of certain metaphors and such (on both sides) was at least brought to light will definitely have an effect on campaigns going forward. I think everyone has been made hyper-aware of the images, slogans, catch-phrases, etc used in politics and I suspect that words and images used in the future will be more carefully weighed and studied before putting them out there in the public arena.
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    Jan 13, 2011 11:18 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    musclmed said

    This obsession with Palin is self re in-forcing. Its like a religion.

    I believe her feminine existence married with anything but a liberal stance is an abomination to some.



    It's truly amazing to watch and almost a phenomenon in of itself. Sarah Palin farts and the blogoshere goes berserk. They give everything Sarah Palin says and does far more weight than it deserves. Hilarious! icon_lol.gif


    Seriously! It is a cultural phenomenon matched only to people's immediate love affair with also at that time relatively unknown and under-qualified Barack Obama. I just don't get it really. Most conservatives I know and ones on FOX (people wouldn't know this cause they don't watch it) know Palin doesn't stand a chance and is nothing more than a mouthpiece for a certain niche of the Republican party. She holds no power whatsoever but is feared by so many. I cheer her on really just to see the fire burn in people's eyes over a woman who is the political equivalent of Ross Perot...
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    Jan 13, 2011 11:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidTrue -- but if the left would stop giving everything she does so much weight, she would probably fade away. Instead, everything she says is blown up and dissected and only serves to make her a bigger celebrity. I don't even really think she will run for President, but some practically have her writing her inaugural speech already LOL

    I think it's the right-wing US media that needs to make her fade away. I wasn't aware the left wing was giving her a platform, except to refute her persistently idiotic statements.
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    realifedad said I'll remind MuscleMed and CuriousJ that I do not blame what Palin said for the trigger being pulled. I'll repeat that the problem is that Palin, and her ilk are responsible adults and should show themselves to be such by verbalizing the good judgement to curb references and rhetoric tending toward gun violence. They're defence of their actions makes them look very small, ignorant, and immature. Then if you choose to defend them, your getting right into the same boat they're in. Whether its the dems or the repubs, the rhetoric references to guns and violence needs to stop.

    Coming from me a Liberal leaning person or not, it still goes that there's a time to defend and there's a time to just drop Palin and her Ilk in the media, because they do not help your causes, They're an embarassment to inteligent Republicans.


    Au contraire - quite the opposite. I do wonder if she even has Presidential ambitions. If anything she shows what fools her detractors are. Look at the reactions by you and others here on RJ over her have been after this incident. Insofar as she makes mistakes, the inclination towards overreaction makes her quite useful and instructive on the national stage.


    Are you so damned partisan that you cannot get beyond your Darling Palin being called out for the same thing that partisans from both sides are being called out for? that is, rhetoric that inflames hate and possibly violence ? Get over the fact that it was Palin's nitwit Rhetoric that brought it up this time, stop obsessing about who it was.

    Surely you can get this right, everyone in the media and in our US politics from both sides needs to cut back on the troubling rhetoric. SIMPLE as that.

    I might add that had Palin said something as inteligent as CuriousJ did just above in response to his and my messages back and forth, that she would have been off the hook and much more respected.
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    Jan 14, 2011 7:58 PM GMT
    Palin clearly takes her cue from the wisdom of Glenn Beck.

    •Beck likens himself to Israeli Nazi hunters: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." 20 January 2010

    • Social justice is a "perversion of the Gospel, not what Jesus was saying". 11 March 2010

    • "Charles Darwin is the father of the Holocaust." 20 August 2010

    • "We have been sold a lie … that the poor in America are suffering." November 20 2010

    • Beck mocks President Obama's daughter Malia and questions her "level of education". He later apologises. 28 May 2010

    • Uncle Sam is a "child molester" who is "raping our wallets … and destroying our families". 16 April 2010

    • Beck said the prime goal of his coverage of the midterm elections was to "make George Soros cry" which was hard to do as Soros "saw people into gas chambers". 2 November 2010

    • "Women are psychos". 20 January 2010

    • Putting the "common good" first is the kind of thing that "leads to death camps". 28 May 2010

    • "God will wash this nation with blood if he has to." 25 August 2010
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    Mil8 saidPalin clearly takes her cue from the wisdom of Glenn Beck.

    •Beck likens himself to Israeli Nazi hunters: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." 20 January 2010

    • Social justice is a "perversion of the Gospel, not what Jesus was saying". 11 March 2010

    • "Charles Darwin is the father of the Holocaust." 20 August 2010

    • "We have been sold a lie … that the poor in America are suffering." November 20 2010

    • Beck mocks President Obama's daughter Malia and questions her "level of education". He later apologises. 28 May 2010

    • Uncle Sam is a "child molester" who is "raping our wallets … and destroying our families". 16 April 2010

    • Beck said the prime goal of his coverage of the midterm elections was to "make George Soros cry" which was hard to do as Soros "saw people into gas chambers". 2 November 2010

    • "Women are psychos". 20 January 2010

    • Putting the "common good" first is the kind of thing that "leads to death camps". 28 May 2010

    • "God will wash this nation with blood if he has to." 25 August 2010


    He's such a douche bag. Frankly, the closest thing to a set of "politics" that the Tucson shooter had closely resemble Beck's paranoid fantasies.