Gas prices going up...

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    Jan 14, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
    I never was a Bush fan, but how come the last time gas prices were this high it was because Bush was "cozying up" to big oil and now there's this mysterious silence?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 14, 2011 5:15 PM GMT
    Yeah, I paid $3.17 a gallon yesterday --- OUCH!
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    Jan 14, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    I'm sorry mock, I haven't thought about Bush for the longest time, and now you've broken my Bush-free period.

    If Gore became president in 2000, and we had invested in expanding alternative energy 10 years ago, guess what gas prices would be today?

    Let's not look back at missed opportunities, and look towards the next land of the future:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/tianjin-eco-city_n_806972.html#s221860
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    Jan 14, 2011 5:28 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI'm sorry mock, I haven't thought about Bush for the longest time, and now you've broken my Bush-free period.

    If Gore became president in 2000, and we had invested in expanding alternative energy 10 years ago, guess what gas prices would be today?

    Let's not look back at missed opportunities, and look towards the next land of the future:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/tianjin-eco-city_n_806972.html#s221860
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    Gore would have killed the economy with restrictions. What businesses need are INCENTIVES, not penalties so that they end up moving overseas anyway.
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    Jan 14, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd just wait a few more years, since Obama has shut down drilling in the Gulf, there's not only no new domestic supply coming online, but there is actually less supply from domestic sources.

    $5 / gallon gas will be the "new normal."


    That is the surest way to kill any economic "recovery" once and for all.
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    Jan 14, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    Shortly after the highest gas prices peaked a few years ago, I was in flight to Seattle and read an article on the subject by the CEO of Continental. He was excoriating the Wall street speculators for being responsible for up to 50 or 60% of the increase cost of gas. He offered some proof that Wall street had backed off some of the speculation which in turn he claimed showed quick results of gas prices dropping.

    I cannot remember the facts of the story, just the above jist of what he wrote. Does anyone have any facts on the effects of Wall Street Speculators on the prices of gas ??


    Lets please leave the Left and Right bullogna out of this, there are pressures in markets and so on that can increase costs and never understimate the powerr of greed to fatten pockets of a few at the expense of many.

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    Jan 14, 2011 11:21 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Gore would have killed the economy with restrictions. What businesses need are INCENTIVES, not penalties so that they end up moving overseas anyway.


    http://www.oldhouseweb.com/green-guide/stimulus-bill-offers-incentives-to-go-green.shtml
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    Jan 15, 2011 12:34 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    q1w2e3 saidI'm sorry mock, I haven't thought about Bush for the longest time, and now you've broken my Bush-free period.

    If Gore became president in 2000, and we had invested in expanding alternative energy 10 years ago, guess what gas prices would be today?


    Gore would have killed the economy with restrictions. What businesses need are INCENTIVES, not penalties so that they end up moving overseas anyway.


    WHAT?

    Oh Really? Now were you BREATHING in 2008?
    Did you witness the financial crash that almost DID kill the economy after the reign of George W Bush?
    The whole REASON there was a crisis was because the WAS a complete lack of oversight and the government was asleep at the wheel
    What you should be asking yourself is why you supported Bush in the first place and not wasting your time with ridiculous fantasy
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    Jan 15, 2011 5:57 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    mocktwinkie said
    q1w2e3 saidI'm sorry mock, I haven't thought about Bush for the longest time, and now you've broken my Bush-free period.

    If Gore became president in 2000, and we had invested in expanding alternative energy 10 years ago, guess what gas prices would be today?


    Gore would have killed the economy with restrictions. What businesses need are INCENTIVES, not penalties so that they end up moving overseas anyway.


    WHAT?

    Oh Really? Now were you BREATHING in 2008?
    Did you witness the financial crash that almost DID kill the economy after the reign of George W Bush?
    The whole REASON there was a crisis was because the WAS a complete lack of oversight and the government was asleep at the wheel
    What you should be asking yourself is why you supported Bush in the first place and not wasting your time with ridiculous fantasy


    Yes I was breathing, but apparently you weren't, because if you were you'd realize that what killed our economy was not a lack of oversight but directly related to the government interfering with the natural flow of the market.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 15, 2011 7:28 PM GMT
    The latest rise in gas prices should encourage most Americans to permanently end their fierce love affair with the automobile and start embracing public bus and light rail transit. It is time to slice the federal highway trust fund in half and dedicate those federal monies to the expansion and upgrading of public transportation. The twin wasteful pork barrel idiocies known as the Continental 1 from Buffalo to Miami and the I- 69 extension from Indianapolis to Laredo should permanently shelved. There should be federal legislation that declares the interstate highway network 100% finished and no new interstate routes are needed. Proposed extensions to both I-97 in Maryland and I-99 in Pennsylvania should also be permanently killed as well. Our great nations transportation funding priorities need to be shifted from new highways to public transit, our railroad network, bike paths, and the maintenence and repair of existing roads and highways. There also needs to be an overall shift of development patterns as well. No more auto dependant outer ring suburban development. Start shifting all future development into the central cities and older first ring suburbs where the investment is most sorely needed. Make all new business, industrial, and residential development fully accessible to both public transportation and cycling. NO MORE NEW SUPERHIGHWAYS AND NO MORE GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT.
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    Jan 15, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    Today the price at the gas station across the street was €1.519 per liter. That translates to $2.02 per liter, or $7.61 a gallon. I miss the States... icon_cry.gif Most of it is taxes.

    It costs me €55 these days ($73.29) to fill up the 10.5 gal tank on my Renault Twingo.
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    Jan 15, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidGore would have killed the economy with restrictions. What businesses need are INCENTIVES, not penalties so that they end up moving overseas anyway.

    What right-wingers refuse to acknowledge is the differences between reasonable business incentives, and business having unfettered free rein. It's not only about the environment, but also the workers.

    If you believe in the capitalism model you support, that's the only direction things can go when business calls all the shots, without government regulation. Total exploitation by business. Has been so in the past, read your history about Robber Barons. A constant tug of war, with the ordinary workers and the environment caught in the middle.
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    Jan 15, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe latest rise in gas prices should encourage most Americans to permanently end their fierce love affair with the automobile and start embracing public bus and light rail transit. It is time to slice the federal highway trust fund in half and dedicate those federal monies to the expansion and upgrading of public transportation. The twin wasteful pork barrel idiocies known as the Continental 1 from Buffalo to Miami and the I- 69 extension from Indianapolis to Laredo should permanently shelved. There should be federal legislation that declares the interstate highway network 100% finished and no new interstate routes are needed. Proposed extensions to both I-97 in Maryland and I-99 in Pennsylvania should also be permanently killed as well. Our great nations transportation funding priorities need to be shifted from new highways to public transit, our railroad network, bike paths, and the maintenence and repair of existing roads and highways. There also needs to be an overall shift of development patterns as well. No more auto dependant outer ring suburban development. Start shifting all future development into the central cities and older first ring suburbs where the investment is most sorely needed. Make all new business, industrial, and residential development fully accessible to both public transportation and cycling. NO MORE NEW SUPERHIGHWAYS AND NO MORE GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT.


    Up here it's called eco-density. Lol, there are currently huge arguments over public transit, as in what kind; more buses, or skytrain, or light rail.

    -Doug
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    Jan 15, 2011 8:59 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said...what killed our economy was not a lack of oversight but directly related to the government interfering with the natural flow of the market.

    OMG, is that what they're preaching to these impressionable and undereducated kids? The propaganda they're putting out? That the Bush Years never happened as they really did, it's all imaginary?

    I think George Orwell's 1984 should be made a mandatory study in US schools today. Along with Animal Farm, to understand the rewriting of history these right-wingers attempt. And that gullible people like mocktwinkie, who lack critical thinking skills, will swallow it whole.

    There was a time in the US when most citizens understood these things, read up on them, remembered their history. mocktwinkie is an example of the new citizen sheep, poorly informed, ignorant of history & facts, easily misled with lies and revisionist versions of history they haven't the knowledge or wits to refute.

    Yet eager to evangelize these views put into his head by others. On a site supposedly focused on gay health and fitness, to which most of the rest of us here try to contribute through a wider range of topics than just politics.

    Well, I suppose the rule is, to beware the fanatic, who will try to badger you into agreement with him, whether you want to or not.
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    Jan 16, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    Here's one solution by Sean Hannity: Just take it from them by force already.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/14/hannity-invade-iraq/
    HANNITY: There’s two things I said. I say why isn’t Iraq paying us back with oil, and paying every American family and their soldiers that lost loved ones or have injured soldiers — and why didn’t they pay for their own liberation? For the Kuwait oil minister — how short his memory is. You know, we have every right to go in there and frankly take all their oil and make them pay for the liberation, as these sheiks, etcetera etcetera, you know were living in hotels in London and New York, as Trump pointed out, and now they’re gouging us and saying ‘oh of course we can withstand [these prices].’”

    The price of cheap oil...
  • SoBeCamera

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    Jan 19, 2011 8:51 PM GMT


    Yes I was breathing, but apparently you weren't, because if you were you'd realize that what killed our economy was not a lack of oversight but directly related to the government interfering with the natural flow of the market. [/quote]

    This is simply not true...if you have no economic background, please dont post.
    its hurting the intelligence of all gays.
    the big corporations, banks, insurers, hedge fonds were selling crap as a prime product for years, while getting all the fat bonuses. this is something very different from a natural flow of a market.if you dont trust me open an economics book...icon_smile.gif
    it was a legal scam very similar to the one of bernie madoff ...but only a few people were charged, all others had enough money for a settlement.
    nothing in the system was changed and we are happy to wait for the next blow caused by the same people and corporations.
    but yes, please keep on complaining that the gas is over 3$. lets start the next war , so everybody can save 30-50c per gallon while driving a truck or a SUV in the city.
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    Jan 19, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
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    This is simply not true...if you have no economic background, please dont post.
    its hurting the intelligence of all gays.
    the big corporations, banks, insurers, hedge fonds were selling crap as a prime product for years, while getting all the fat bonuses. this is something very different from a natural flow of a market.if you dont trust me open an economics book...icon_smile.gif
    it was a legal scam very similar to the one of bernie madoff ...but only a few people were charged, all others had enough money for a settlement.
    nothing in the system was changed and we are happy to wait for the next blow caused by the same people and corporations.
    but yes, please keep on complaining that the gas is over 3$. lets start the next war , so everybody can save 30-50c per gallon while driving a truck or a SUV in the city.


    Repeating an untruth doesn't render it any less false. Grasping a clear view of what triggered the housing meltdown, besides the complex factors leading up to it, rests directly on understanding that it simply would not have happened if the federal government did not interfere by creating the consequence-free environment which prompted lenders to engage in risky activity with taxpayer dollars. This was accomplished by the federal government requiring that fannie and freddie push into greater subprime lending, implicitly guaranteeing fannie and freddie with taxpayer dollars if they should ever default, and maintaining FDIC, which is largely responsible for so many bank failures)

    The circumstances leading up to the crisis were not the result of greedy capitalists randomly gone awry, as you have been led to believe. As I've stated before in numerous places, the situation was not dissimilar from the government mandating that a private business push into riskier practices while simultaneously guaranteeing the added insurance risk.

  • SoBeCamera

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    Jan 19, 2011 9:40 PM GMT
    lol...the government doesnt push anyone...
    the lobbyist are making the laws they want and paid for.
    not a single politician wakes up with the idea ...let push fanny mae today to sell crap or we will force AIG to sell a scam as a prime product.
    do you still think that a politician is the only responsible for the law making?icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Jan 19, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    SoBeCamera saidlol...the government doesnt push anyone...
    the lobbyist are making the laws they want and paid for.
    not a single politician wake up with the idea ...let push fanny mae today to sell crap or we will force AIG to sell a scam as a prime product.
    do you still think that a politician is the only responsible for the law making?icon_rolleyes.gif



    Barney Frank and Chris Dodd led the way in making sure that it would happen -- they wanted it to happen as a grand charity project at taxpayer expense. It wasn't just lobbyists. The purpose of lowering the standards was to put more low-income people (who couldn't afford homes to begin with) into homes, as well as increase "ethnic diversity" in home ownership. The DHUD was the wing of the government that ultimately set out the requirements for fannie and freddie. Bush, was also responsible because he supported it.


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    Jan 19, 2011 10:05 PM GMT




    Barney Frank and Chris Dodd led the way in making sure that it would happen -- they wanted it to happen as a grand charity project at taxpayer expense. It wasn't just lobbyists. The purpose of lowering the standards was to put more low-income people (who couldn't afford homes to begin with) into homes, as well as increase "ethnic diversity" in home ownership. The DHUD was the wing of the government that ultimately set out the requirements for fannie and freddie. Bush, was also responsible because he supported it.


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    politicians dont have the last word. they are paid for a specific service, corporate law or just for blocking other competitors. they have no power to set the rules. the one who pays is the one who is setting the rules.
    especially here in the us this is very obvious.
    you cant blame bush,frank or dodd, if you know that they have most of the time no idea what they are talking about.
    and shocker... the gas prices will get even higher, no matter how much you drill and polute the environment.
    one of the reasons is simply because every player on wall street is gambling for higher gas prices, so they can make even higher profits.
  • SoBeCamera

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    Jan 19, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
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    Yes I was breathing, but apparently you weren't, because if you were you'd realize that what killed our economy was not a lack of oversight but directly related to the government interfering with the natural flow of the market.

    Yet in countries (like Canada) where the government regulates the hell out of that "natural flow of the market" our economy comparatively escaped the recession. How do you reconcile that evidentiary success with your assertion, mock?

    The labour conditions and costs are similar; the business climate is otherwise alike and as largest trading partners, there is a common backdrop of trade and consumption that make our markets otherwise alike - just managed from a more interventionist model.

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    there is no natural flow of the markets left. this is just an illusion. not in the us, not in canada and not in western europe.
    there is not a single market left where the big players were not charged with illegal price settlements. they paid all the fines and kept on doing it...
    the federal government is not your biggest enemy ,you cant blame every disaster is caused by clueless politicians....