Finding the inner Spirit

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    Jan 14, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
    Interesting read: Robert Burney's 'Dance of the Wounded Soul". Simple plain and insightful...can be found online.......basically: kill your ego and live in the NOW your Spirit flourishes. Amazing how all the garbage in your mind can alter your outlook......................icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 14, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    vetteset saidInteresting read: Robert Burney's 'Dance of the Wounded Soul". Simple plain and insightful...can be found online.......basically: kill your ego and live in the NOW your Spirit flourishes. Amazing how all the garbage in your mind can alter your outlook......................icon_wink.gif


    It sure sounds simple, but in my experience, achieving that goal has been the single biggest challenge of my life.
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    Jan 15, 2011 4:56 AM GMT
    like anything brother, it requires rethinking things, meditation and living in the NOW, which is being constantly aware of what is happening now..that is the only way you can change in the moment....get the book, it does a better job explaining...........peace within.........Keithicon_wink.gif
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    Jan 15, 2011 5:08 AM GMT
    You cannot kill your ego. You can, however, utilize your ego (Ahamkara), to fulfill your highest self by cultivating Virya (the positive energy of ego that emboldens, not obstructs, the mind and heart) if you want to live in the now.

    But that's from a Tantric Yoga angle... Trust me, trying to kill your ego will only get you in trouble.
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    Jan 15, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    There are awakened recluse types who are almost not in their bodies, and in those cases, their egos are basically dead. Which is fine if you're a recluse living in a cave. But, that's not a practical state to be in for people living in the world. As a friend of mine puts it, the ego is the staff sergeant of your relative existence; it's how we navigate through our relative lives.

    The problem is when one is solely identified as the egoic I/me story, with the egoic dynamics of grasping and aversion endlessly trying to fill the unfillable gnawing emptiness. It's a state of pushing away the NOW and grasping for the past and/or future. Looking back, I see that all my decades of spiritual pursuit were all about rejecting who I am as a person and trying to perfect/purify the I/me story into an unrealistic glorified perfected future... a fantasy that is never going to exist.

    Ultimately, I ended up working with a Waking Down teacher, which precipitated a hellish free-fall into all the shadow stuff I'd spent decades trying to push away and change. About 19 months into it, I landed into a classic dark night of the soul. Four months later, I had what Waking Down refers to as the second birth awakening, and in that state, I can completely recognize my own experience in the words of writers like Eckhart Tolle and Adyashanti. It's basically a state of floating in the NOW.

    When there's no internal issue stuff demanding attention, that free floating in NOW is incredibly blissful. But, just because you're floating in NOW doesn't mean the present moment can't be painful. With those grasping/aversion dynamics so greatly diminished, I find that I feel pain even more deeply than I ever did before. Awakening to the conscious nature is a wonderful platform from which to much more quickly work through those issues, because it gives some distance from the story in which it can be witnessed. But, the intensity of being so hyper-aware can be a real challenge.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
    Thanks for the tip about "Dance of the Wounded Soul". We seem to get in own way most of the time.

    My Goal daily is to be "comfortable in my own skin". What that means to me is to stop periodically through the day and think about what had happened, how it affected me, and what should be kept and discarded.

    Basically weeding your mind to get rid of those "weeds" that block the growth of the soul.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:12 PM GMT
    SFYogi saidYou cannot kill your ego. You can, however, utilize your ego (Ahamkara), to fulfill your highest self by cultivating Virya (the positive energy of ego that emboldens, not obstructs, the mind and heart) if you want to live in the now.

    But that's from a Tantric Yoga angle... Trust me, trying to kill your ego will only get you in trouble.


    I like this!

    Tantric makes for good sex too! yay!
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:17 PM GMT
    vetteset saidInteresting read: Robert Burney's 'Dance of the Wounded Soul". Simple plain and insightful...can be found online.......basically: kill your ego and live in the NOW your Spirit flourishes. Amazing how all the garbage in your mind can alter your outlook......................icon_wink.gif


    I've heard about this for years when I went to Nepal and extensively studied Hinduism and Buddhism.... its actually where this terminology (killing the ego) came from I believe...

    The way I've come to see it though has been a little different.. the ego is important... the trick is to be able to live for others.. and being yourself in the process.. so you balance your own needs out with those of others
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    Jan 15, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    while i agree in most parts with all of the input, I do agree with Burney and to a great extent, Tolle, in their idea that the ego is the enemy of the spirit. The spirit has all that is needed to guide us in the NOW, the ego, serves no purpose other than to bolster us or discourage us. Living in the NOW keeps us conscious of our present actions, whereby we are in total control with the spirit, not the ego. Try it, and I think you will see what I am trying to explain. Deep meditation brings forth that spirit within us and is totally devoid of the ego, and when that manifests itself, you truly are at one with the now and the spirit.

    It is referred to in several books of religion - the one I am familiar with and could never understand until this revelation of ego became clear to me is in the bible where Jesus says we must die to ourselves - meaning allowing the ego to die and let the spirit live.

    By recogizing our ego, we feed it - positively or negatively..- when we live in the now accordiing to the spirit, we deny the ego nourishment and thus it wilts...giving way to our spirit(soul)

    Don't know if that is clear, but it has worked with me and like anything, we need to train ourselves to live in the NOW, because we have been trained by society to live according to our egos...it is a constant living that brings perfection and habit to being able to live in the NOW........clear as mud?
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    Jan 15, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]david14 said[/cite]Thanks for the tip about "Dance of the Wounded Soul". We seem to get in own way most of the time.

    My Goal daily is to be "comfortable in my own skin". What that means to me is to stop periodically through the day and think about what had happened, how it affected me, and what should be kept and discarded.

    Basically weeding your mind to get rid of those "weeds" that block the growth of the soul.[/quote

    but don't stop and look back at what happened...living in the NOW means that you have control over the situation before you at present, and when you realize that, you can make for a successful outcome according to your spirit which is good......icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 15, 2011 11:29 PM GMT
    I'm confused as to what definition of ego is being used here.

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    Jan 15, 2011 11:49 PM GMT
    Sounds interesting. I've made a conscious effort in the last couple of years to feed my ego less and nourish my soul more. Part of that is definitely living in the moment, or the NOW.

    I also question when I do something or make a certain decision and simply ask "Why am I doing it?" The purpose of consciously asking is to be more aware of what's driving my decisions or actions. My ego isn't gone but my spirit is healthier because of it.
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    Jan 16, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    ^^ and i believe if you keep at it, your spirit overcomes your ego. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 16, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
    meninlove said I'm confused as to what definition of ego is being used here.

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    Ego is simply a separation engine that says, "this, not that." That discrimination is how we navigate life in the relative, but it also defines us as individuals, separate from others. That is not inherently bad, but because the egoic perspective tends to snowball to monstrous me! me! me! proportions, it's regarded in some spiritual circles as something that is evil and needs to be destroyed. I think in this thread, ego is being defined as the individuated sense of self with emphasis on the exaggerated aspects of it.
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    Jan 16, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    vetteset said kill your ego and live in the NOW your Spirit flourishes.

    Living in the NOW sounds so cool and liberating and all. But eventually the not-NOW comes around and has to be dealt with. At that point the NOW includes coming up with the car note and the mortgage payment.
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    Jan 16, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    trying to destroy evil would destroy all sense of balance.
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    Jan 16, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    rosco87 saidtrying to destroy evil would destroy all sense of balance.


    hmm interesting point..

    but there is a different way of seeing it: namely that evil does not exist:

    to a blade of grass, the rabbit is evil.. to the rabbit, the hawk is evil...

    any thoughts?
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    Jan 16, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
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    meninlove said I'm confused as to what definition of ego is being used here.

    -Doug


    Ego is simply a separation engine that says, "this, not that." That discrimination is how we navigate life in the relative, but it also defines us as individuals, separate from others. That is not inherently bad, but because the egoic perspective tends to snowball to monstrous me! me! me! proportions, it's regarded in some spiritual circles as something that is evil and needs to be destroyed. I think in this thread, ego is being defined as the individuated sense of self with emphasis on the exaggerated aspects of it.


    Thanks Paradox! It's interesting because one of the most common and popular pieces of advice to guys on here is to love yourself; that you cannot love another otherwise. What a, well, paradox.

    -Doug
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    Jan 16, 2011 2:54 AM GMT
    OK, i'll try. To answer about living in the now not covering the future, it does. You can live in the now and prepare your mortgage and car payment...It is a proactive state, not necessarily a reactive one. But it does encompass both, see?

    Now about ego. My feeling, and that of others on this matter is that we have two existences; one is the ego and one is the spirit. The ego is from our physical/mental being and can promote both good and bad energy.

    The problem with ego, is the more it is fed, the larger it grows, and either way it becomes bad...too much of a good ego becomes vanity and too much bad is destructive as well.

    The spirit, on the other hand is pure and that is what makes up the soul and what is meant to lead us. But we have self served and resorted to the ego...Think about why we argue, why we have to get in the last word, why we dress a certain way, it is feeding the ego.

    To say we can't defeat it or live without it is, imho incorrect.....Keithicon_wink.gif
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    Jan 16, 2011 3:28 AM GMT
    i agree mmtm....and it made sense and put into perspective parts of the bible that I have held close, although i have taken from christianity that which helps me on my journey. Most major religions have as their base, a spirituality, and even in this discussion we are having, there is reference to a greater being, a spiritual being..

    to quote Burney: we are all spiritual beings having an earth experience.

    When i was little, i always had an odd recognition of a division between my body and soul, that they were two different entities....spirituality goes one step further and says we are actually three entities...the body, the spirit and the mind. The mind and body are physical and the spirit is....well, spiritual.

    A good example of the mind (ego) and spirit.....we talk to ourselves (why the hell did I just do that?) (ah keith, what an idiot) etc....we have two entities within us...mind and spirit.............................again, my perception that is working well for me.......................Keith


    note: both Burney and Tolle refer to going into a spiritual 'awareness' with total peace and the overwhelming feeling of the presence of a greater power, a divinity if you will. I have in the past felt that presence and experienced that incredible peace, but i did not realize at the time how to continue in that frame, and thus lost it.. Burney, and I believe Tolle as well, were both at very low points in their lives when these experiences came to them..
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    Jan 16, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    From a nondual perspective, spirit is simply ineffable transcendence, pure Being, pure awareness, pure is-ness, the formless source of all forms, not just those forms that the ego judges to be good/pure/saintly. To be ego bound is like a wave that self-identifies solely as a wave, not knowing that it's also the ocean. There is no separation between the wave and the ocean; there is only the illusion that ocean and wave are separate.
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    Jan 16, 2011 4:30 AM GMT
    paradox saidThere are awakened recluse types who are almost not in their bodies, and in those cases, their egos are basically dead. Which is fine if you're a recluse living in a cave. But, that's not a practical state to be in for people living in the world. As a friend of mine puts it, the ego is the staff sergeant of your relative existence; it's how we navigate through our relative lives.

    The problem is when one is solely identified as the egoic I/me story, with the egoic dynamics of grasping and aversion endlessly trying to fill the unfillable gnawing emptiness. It's a state of pushing away the NOW and grasping for the past and/or future. Looking back, I see that all my decades of spiritual pursuit were all about rejecting who I am as a person and trying to perfect/purify the I/me story into an unrealistic glorified perfected future... a fantasy that is never going to exist.

    Ultimately, I ended up working with a Waking Down teacher, which precipitated a hellish free-fall into all the shadow stuff I'd spent decades trying to push away and change. About 19 months into it, I landed into a classic dark night of the soul. Four months later, I had what Waking Down refers to as the second birth awakening, and in that state, I can completely recognize my own experience in the words of writers like Eckhart Tolle and Adyashanti. It's basically a state of floating in the NOW.

    When there's no internal issue stuff demanding attention, that free floating in NOW is incredibly blissful. But, just because you're floating in NOW doesn't mean the present moment can't be painful. With those grasping/aversion dynamics so greatly diminished, I find that I feel pain even more deeply than I ever did before. Awakening to the conscious nature is a wonderful platform from which to much more quickly work through those issues, because it gives some distance from the story in which it can be witnessed. But, the intensity of being so hyper-aware can be a real challenge.


    I believe that one day that glorified perfect future will exist, but we just need to be patient for our almighty creator to bring it about. Man's not going to do it, but it will come by the creator's power.
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    Jan 16, 2011 4:33 AM GMT
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    rosco87 saidtrying to destroy evil would destroy all sense of balance.


    hmm interesting point..

    but there is a different way of seeing it: namely that evil does not exist:

    to a blade of grass, the rabbit is evil.. to the rabbit, the hawk is evil...

    any thoughts?


    I don't know how anyone can say that evil does not exist. There are plenty of people today that do not have your best interests in mind. lol
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    Jan 16, 2011 4:42 AM GMT
    lets stay on topic of Inner Spirit please......................thanksicon_wink.gif
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    Jan 16, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    I always believed the ego was a survival instinct that protects us from the distress of not living up to our dreams.

    I think the ego lies to us to make us feel better. The spirit tells us the truth no matter. To become one with spirit we must believe and trust it. Problem is sometimes the spirit tells us things we are not able or ready to do. Like climb that mountain, when your out of shape. Or talk to that hot guy when your no so confident. It takes time to trust and accept the spirit's wishes. It's as if our spirit or highly advanced 47th century time warping cold fusion spaceship engines inside of a wright brothers airplane.
    Courage takes time until we trust ourselves.

    Our ego is the thing that always places the blame. We have to take our power back.

    When we listen and trust our spirit it helps creates the beautiful vessel to contain it.

    That's real magic!