Economy getting better? Really?

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    Jan 15, 2011 11:13 AM GMT
    I keep hearing that the economy is getting better. I just dont see it. I keep hearing story after story of people showing up to work & their office/business is shut down & closed with no warning.

    I personally know people that have to travel cross country away from their families just to find work. I myself work for the postal service & have been notified of excessing at my facility.

    Even though I have 15 years in I still dont know where they will send me. Which means I have to try to sell my house in a horrible market & move & etc.

    You hear of people walking away from their homes & etc. So how are things getting better? Im not very political & etc but it seems like its getting worse to me.

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    Jan 15, 2011 11:52 AM GMT
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    redbull saidI keep hearing that the economy is getting better. I just dont see it. I keep hearing story after story of people showing up to work & their office/business is shut down & closed with no warning.

    I personally know people that have to travel cross country away from their families just to find work. I myself work for the postal service & have been notified of excessing at my facility.

    Even though I have 15 years in I still dont know where they will send me. Which means I have to try to sell my house in a horrible market & move & etc.

    You hear of people walking away from their homes & etc. So how are things getting better? Im not very political & etc but it seems like its getting worse to me.



    I mean no offense, but, your employer is an expensive and useless dinosaur that needs to be revamped or shut the hell down. I say that in contempt, since I just stood in line for 45 fucking minutes for one damn stamp, since they only had two people working, despite a line out the door. Ridiculous.

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    Jan 15, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    TawlBlond saidI mean no offense, but, your employer is an expensive and useless dinosaur that needs to be revamped or shut the hell down. I say that in contempt, since I just stood in line for 45 fucking minutes for one damn stamp, since they only had two people working, despite a line out the door. Ridiculous.



    And that same employer wants to manage your healthcare. icon_eek.gif
    WRONG rughead!

    the USPS is NOT part of the federal government. it is a "stand alone" agency.

    ONCE AGAIN sb distorts and twists facts with his innacuracy, innuendos and biased, emotional opinions. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 15, 2011 5:31 PM GMT


    Yes and no, rnch.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service


    It's the usual SB bullshit. icon_wink.gif

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    Jan 15, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
    The Flights haven't change >_>
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:18 PM GMT
    Health care could have been easily resolved had we not had corporate lobbies. All they needed to do was to extend Medicare to everyone and it would have been a done deal. Too easy; put many insurers out of business; so...we'll pay twice as much for half as much. Canada has had universal care since 1946! The Veterans Administration has been a single payor for medical care for veterans since 1811!

    The economy is getting better for the very rich. In 1987, 90% of American wealth was controlled by 10% of the people. Since that time, we've gone from being progressive to less progressive. In 2007, 95% of American wealth was controlled by 5% of the people. In 2010, 97% of American wealth was controlled by just 3% of the people. As anyone can easily see, we're headed the wrong direction.

    With regard to employment: Present Clinton had a budget surplus and GAINED 41 MILLION jobs in 8 years. That contrasts with President GW Bush who had huge job losses in the private sector and 1.5 million plus new government jobs and and exploded budget deficit. Low end health care jobs are the fastest growing employment sector... oh...the irony. The current generation is the first generation in recorded history that won't outlive its predecessors.

    Exxon Corp makes about 1.5 BILLION dollars profit, per quarter, yet they received a 948 MILLION dollar tax refund. (Ever wonder about fuel costs?)

    Chase Bank has record profits, with an increase of 67% in profits in the past annum.

    Jobs are picking up, but, because our economy was near collapse due to lack of regulation, even adding jobs at 200,000 per month, we can't undo the damage of GW Bush and friends until around 2020.

    President Obama's administration has gained jobs every month but one in direct contrast to the catastrophe of the Bush administration / policy.

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    We have to have better regulation of Wall Street and banking. We also can't keep giving welfare to the very rich and corporations. We're on a failed course.

    In Germany, post secondary education (to an extent) is provided by the government, as well as work retraining. In Germany, despite a depressed world economy, they've consistently gained jobs, because they retrain and evolve new technologies, industries, etc. Here, we have a 60% high school drop out rate in many urban areas, and a 40% high school drop out rates is prevalent in the burbs. We've on the wrong path.

    Clearly, folks who say more of the same (think GOP) don't have the best interests of the American Public at heart, and haven't been watching history unfold. History speaks its own lesson.

    We'd do well to take best examples of more advanced countries all around us. While other countries have evolved for their citizens the U.S. has evolved for the very rich and corporate interests.

    We're number 50 for education. We should be ashamed that we've been sold a bill of goods by the GOP, and very selfish folks that don't look at the big picture. Shame on us for not educating ourselves and getting them out of office.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
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    redbull saidI keep hearing that the economy is getting better. I just dont see it. I keep hearing story after story of people showing up to work & their office/business is shut down & closed with no warning.

    I personally know people that have to travel cross country away from their families just to find work. I myself work for the postal service & have been notified of excessing at my facility.

    Even though I have 15 years in I still dont know where they will send me. Which means I have to try to sell my house in a horrible market & move & etc.

    You hear of people walking away from their homes & etc. So how are things getting better? Im not very political & etc but it seems like its getting worse to me.



    I mean no offense, but, your employer is an expensive and useless dinosaur that needs to be revamped or shut the hell down. I say that in contempt, since I just stood in line for 45 fucking minutes for one damn stamp, since they only had two people working, despite a line out the door. Ridiculous.



    Why didn't you use the stamp vending machine?
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
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    TawlBlond said
    redbull saidI keep hearing that the economy is getting better. I just dont see it. I keep hearing story after story of people showing up to work & their office/business is shut down & closed with no warning.

    I personally know people that have to travel cross country away from their families just to find work. I myself work for the postal service & have been notified of excessing at my facility.

    Even though I have 15 years in I still dont know where they will send me. Which means I have to try to sell my house in a horrible market & move & etc.

    You hear of people walking away from their homes & etc. So how are things getting better? Im not very political & etc but it seems like its getting worse to me.



    I mean no offense, but, your employer is an expensive and useless dinosaur that needs to be revamped or shut the hell down. I say that in contempt, since I just stood in line for 45 fucking minutes for one damn stamp, since they only had two people working, despite a line out the door. Ridiculous.



    Why didn't you use the stamp vending machine?


    Down here they only dispense books of stamps, instead of individual stamps.

    I know, makes perfect sense. I mean, why cut down the lines and make things convenient for people, when you can force them to go inside, so the clerks have job security.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    Myspace laid off 47% of their employees just last week. icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
    I'm an economist by trade - economic growth is typically reported as the growth in gross domestic product, year-over-year. Basically, it is referring to the increase in goods or services produced.

    When you hear that the economy is getting better, it means that businesses are producing more because consumer demand is increasing. Consumer demand is increasing because people have more money (or more accurately, they 'feel' better about the state of the economy, so they feel safer spending their money rather than saving).

    Although you may not feel it directly, the fact is that many of the reforms, bailout actions, tax breaks, etc., have had a macroeconomic effect of improving the expectations of businesses and people. Because people/businesses 'feel' better about the state of the world, they are willing to spend money more freely, which in turn causes economic growth.

    Although many people and business (and government agencies, in your case) are still hurting, on average, more people and business are doing better than anytime in the last 2 years.

    In the case of the postal service, it suffers from providing an increasingly obsolete form of communication. It will continue to decline despite the improvements in the overall economy.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    With regard to the Post Office, it's done very well considering that is has to operate with one hand tied behind it's back. Public mail service is a crucial piece of infrastructure.

    Unfortunately, Congress has it's hands in the Post Office, and the Post Office can't close offices nor make significant changes without congressional approval, and, unfortunately, no congressman wants to be the guy who voted to close the local post office in the middle of nowhere.

    I don't believe the number of folks who make lewd remarks, and have never done any background research.

    If the Post Office could close smaller offices, they could be in better shape.

    However, like REA (Rural Electric Administration), the Universal Service Fund (rural telephone), the Interstate Highway system and such, we would NOT have critical infrastructure from which EVERYONE benefits, and that we're arguably the much better off for. E.g., could Wyoming afford to build an interstate highway system across it? Probably not. Are we the better off that the interstate crosses Wyoming? Of course we are.

    I'm amazed at how ignorant, and short sighted, many folks are.

    Should the post office operate at a profit? Can it? No, not unless the rules change. Should we deny someone in rural America postal service, or make it so expensive they can't afford it? Most folks would say no, if they have any sense at all. Some things we do because we are stronger together than apart.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    Pervert saidMyspace laid off 47% of their employees just last week. icon_sad.gif


    Myspace got bought by Murdoch (that's Murdoch / Fox) and they ruined it. They had a terrible product, and they FAILED.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
    If you're an auto worker making $28 per hour to push the o.k. button while the robot flawlessly put the tires on....maybe it's time to retrain...to make solar panels or something.

    Industry / manufacturing evolves. Sadly, we don't have enough social programs that consider that. For that, we all suffer.

    I have a friend who works in auto manufacturing. He has a 6 YEAR unemployment fund.
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    Jan 15, 2011 6:45 PM GMT
    I dunno. I gave my employee a raise last week.

    And I spent about $10K on postage last year with USPS, less than $1K with their competitors. They still cost half as much (or less) and are better at making their delivery commitments.
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    Jan 15, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    China is hiring. They will soon own all of our asses.
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    Jan 15, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
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    TawlBlond said
    redbull saidI keep hearing that the economy is getting better. I just dont see it. I keep hearing story after story of people showing up to work & their office/business is shut down & closed with no warning.

    I personally know people that have to travel cross country away from their families just to find work. I myself work for the postal service & have been notified of excessing at my facility.

    Even though I have 15 years in I still dont know where they will send me. Which means I have to try to sell my house in a horrible market & move & etc.

    You hear of people walking away from their homes & etc. So how are things getting better? Im not very political & etc but it seems like its getting worse to me.



    I mean no offense, but, your employer is an expensive and useless dinosaur that needs to be revamped or shut the hell down. I say that in contempt, since I just stood in line for 45 fucking minutes for one damn stamp, since they only had two people working, despite a line out the door. Ridiculous.



    Why didn't you use the stamp vending machine?


    Do post offices still have vending machines? Not at mine!
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    Jan 15, 2011 9:26 PM GMT
    predictions are that employement should increase from 7.5-9.0%
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    Jan 15, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    While were griping about the post office

    1. I waited in line at the registered post desk, to get the item weighed and be told I how much postage I need to go to buy from window 2.

    2. I waited at window 2 to be told I couldn't buy postage with a debit card...but I could withdraw cash with the same debit card at window 3.

    3. Waited at window 3 to take out a 20.

    4. Returned waiting to pay for postage with the 20 from window 2

    5. Went back to the registered post desk (more waiting) to actually post the package

    It's crazy...I don't know what they think they are running...


    Our post office does do a lot more, sells foreign currency, provides savings accounts, administers welfare and social security, opens cellular service accounts, sells some insurance products etc That people in rural areas would other wise not be able to do everyday... but still the proceedures and nonsensical and the staff incompetant.
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    Jan 15, 2011 11:01 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidWhile were griping about the post office

    1. I waited in line at the registered post desk, to get the item weighed and be told I how much postage I need to go to buy from window 2.

    2. I waited at window 2 to be told I couldn't buy postage with a debit card...but I could withdraw cash with the same debit card at window 3.

    3. Waited at window 3 to take out a 20.

    4. Returned waiting to pay for postage with the 20 from window 2

    5. Went back to the registered post desk (more waiting) to actually post the package

    It's crazy...I don't know what they think they are running...


    Our post office does do a lot more, sells foreign currency, provides savings accounts, administers welfare and social security, opens cellular service accounts, sells some insurance products etc That people in rural areas would other wise not be able to do everyday... but still the proceedures and nonsensical and the staff incompetant.


    That sounds a lot like the 3-lines system they used in the USSR.

    Very interesting how you keep finding more similarities between the two if you just keep looking.
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    Jan 15, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
    Did the USSR have this?
    http://www.stamps.com/welcome/
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    Jan 15, 2011 11:15 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidDid the USSR have this?
    http://www.stamps.com/welcome/


    lol no, but I was about to mention that you can just buy postage online and print out the barcode.

    but then again, i dont care.
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    Jan 15, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    No, it's not getting better. It's getting worse and worse.

    The bailouts and stimulus packages and other measures undertaken by governments were designed to save the bankers from their own disasters; to secure the upper class and to delay the inevitable.

    The G20 has agreed upon "fiscal austerity" and the major nations of the world are essentially undergoing a process of slowly implementing a global 'structural adjustment program', doing to the industrialized world what the West has been doing to Africa and Latin America since the early 1980s: deconstructing society, eliminating the middle class, rapid inflation, privatize all assets and infrastructure and resources, liberalize everything, devalue the currency (which causes inflation), dramatically raise taxes, and eliminate the social sectors, welfare, education, health care, etc., fire everyone from those sectors, creating massive new waves of unemployed.

    In 1929 the stock market crashed. We acknowledge that historically as the beginning of the Great Depression. Yet, in 1931, all the top pundits, politicians and financial press were saying that America was in a "recovery" and the worst was over. In 1933, America was in the depths of the Great Depression.

    2008 will historically be acknowledged as the start of the Greatest Depression, and media and governments have fairly successfully lied there way to the present date, but save some other bailouts to further delay the inevitable debt crisis and crash, we are headed for a truly global depression unlike anything ever seen before. It would shock me if this did not last the entire decade.
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    Jan 16, 2011 2:12 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidWith regard to the Post Office, it's done very well considering that is has to operate with one hand tied behind it's back. Public mail service is a crucial piece of infrastructure.

    Unfortunately, Congress has it's hands in the Post Office, and the Post Office can't close offices nor make significant changes without congressional approval, and, unfortunately, no congressman wants to be the guy who voted to close the local post office in the middle of nowhere.

    I don't believe the number of folks who make lewd remarks, and have never done any background research.

    If the Post Office could close smaller offices, they could be in better shape.

    However, like REA (Rural Electric Administration), the Universal Service Fund (rural telephone), the Interstate Highway system and such, we would NOT have critical infrastructure from which EVERYONE benefits, and that we're arguably the much better off for. E.g., could Wyoming afford to build an interstate highway system across it? Probably not. Are we the better off that the interstate crosses Wyoming? Of course we are.

    I'm amazed at how ignorant, and short sighted, many folks are.

    Should the post office operate at a profit? Can it? No, not unless the rules change. Should we deny someone in rural America postal service, or make it so expensive they can't afford it? Most folks would say no, if they have any sense at all. Some things we do because we are stronger together than apart.




    Thanks chucky for that & your so right. There are also so many things the u.s.p.s is made to do that no other govt agency is made to do such as over pay into a fund every year of over 5 million dollars for advance retirement benefits, its the largest auto/truck fuel user out of any corporation in the world since it delivers to every home every day 6 days a week. I could go on & on.

    On the flip side of that & since I was in management for 5 years & was making less $ I can say there are tremendous management & operational problems that directly affect customers especially not to mention is just poor business management.

    Those of us that see it everyday are just as frustrated as the public. The new pmg says hes going to stremline the postal service & concentrate on customer service. I hope he does. There are some small offices that open early, close for lunch, & then are closed by 5 pm, how is that servicing the public? They should atleast open later & stay open later or something. We as employees have made many suggestions but yet our hands are tied due to poor management & poor business decisions by higher ups, govt & politicians not having any balls.

    As far as the waiting in line, it makes me sick to. There are so many ways we could be used to benefit the public but all mgmnt cares about now is cutting the workforce jobs while there has been no job cuts in administration & etc. We have more stupid analysis teams & supervisors now than we had say 20 years ago & less employees, what kind of business can keep on like that? But the only thing they want to do is cut the jobs of the people that actually serve customers or work the mail.

    Anyway......this was a thread on economy & not the p.o., but being an employee there is just an example how govt is working to cut out the middle class, fuck everything up & it pisses me off when I hear "things are getting better"
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    Jan 16, 2011 2:22 AM GMT
    It might be better in other parts of the country, but in Central Florida we likely haven't hit bottom-----yet.

    There is still a glut of foreclosed homes here and many are in trendy neighborhoods, such as Celebration (near Walt Disney World--which is looking quite sorry these days). Companies are still downsizing and shipping jobs to India to take advantage of Bush era tax breaks and new construction is still sometime in the future. Property values are still decreasing which leaves little of a tax base for EMT services, libraries, infrastructure, on and on....

    Historically though, we are the last regions to enter into an economic downturn and the last to leave it, so.......with our new Republican governor steering us into doom and despair, this may take a while......