Tucson Tea Party leader blames Giffords for getting shot

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    Jan 15, 2011 1:33 PM GMT
    These people are unbelievable. icon_rolleyes.gif

    RawStoryTucson tea party founder says Giffords to blame for getting shot

    One tea party leader says that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has herself to blame for getting shot in the head Saturday.

    The Arizona congresswoman shouldn't have attended an event "in full view of the public" if she had security concerns, according to Tucson Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries.

    Giffords warned MSNBC's Chuck Todd last year that there would be "consequences" to violent rhetoric and imagery after Fox News' Sarah Palin released a graphic which placed crosshairs over the congresswoman's district.

    "But the thing is that the way that [Palin] has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district," Giffords said. "And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action."

    But Humphries thinks Giffords was just speaking out against Palin for political gain.

    "It's political gamesmanship," he told the Guardian. "The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?"



    What a douche bag.

    Full story here:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/tucson-tea-party-founder-giffords-blame-shot/
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    Jan 15, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Anybody who places blame for this tragedy anywhere but where it belongs -- The Shooter himself -- is just being misguided and unfair.
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    Jan 15, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    Why does the thread title contain "leaders" instead of "leader"? Inaccuracy to try and make the story seem more important and justify the RJ lead "These people..."?
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    Jan 15, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidWhy does the thread title contain "leaders" instead of "leader"? Inaccuracy to try and make the story seem more important and justify the RJ lead "These people..."?


    This is occurring on both political sides of topics, Socal.

    Christian, you said leaders. Are there more?

    -Doug

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    Jan 15, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidWhy does the thread title contain "leaders" instead of "leader"? Inaccuracy to try and make the story seem more important and justify the RJ lead "These people..."?


    This is occurring on both political sides of topics, Socal.

    Christian, you said leaders. Are there more?

    -Doug



    No. It was a typo. I apologize if it seemed it was misleading.
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    Jan 15, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    WHAT a douche bag this TH dude is! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    meninlove said
    socalfitness saidWhy does the thread title contain "leaders" instead of "leader"? Inaccuracy to try and make the story seem more important and justify the RJ lead "These people..."?


    This is occurring on both political sides of topics, Socal.

    Christian, you said leaders. Are there more?

    -Doug



    No. It was a typo. I apologize if it seemed it was misleading.

    We all make typos. I try and keep the rhetoric under control by using a term such as "inaccuracy" versus a more charged "lie" not assuming any motive. I do think the lead would be more accurate if it read "This guy is ..." May seem like nitpicking but I think embellishing takes away credibility. (Yes, yes Doug - I know both sides may do this.)
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    Jan 16, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThese people are unbelievable...
    One tea party leader says that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has herself to blame for getting shot in the head Saturday.

    The Arizona congresswoman shouldn't have attended an event "in full view of the public" if she had security concerns, according to Tucson Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries.

    What a douche bag.

    Indeed, what a douche... if only somebody would have shot him (let's say in the leg, rather than head) while taping at the town hall event he attended yesterday instead of only yelling threats and "shooting a picture"... that would teach him. (Man, this rhetoric thing is fun!)

    Anyhow, I don't think that I have seen any posts about one of the victims from the last shooting having been taken for psychiatric evaluation after taking a picture of Trent Humphries and yelling that he was dead yesterday. I have one from the NPR (somewhat sympathetic towards him for anybody left leaning)
    http://www.npr.org/2011/01/15/132965798/officials-tucson-victim-threatened-tea-party-leader
    And one for our right leaning members (using the phrase "unhinged leftist arrested") It has the added bonus of refering to Laughner as a "left wing pot head."icon_razz.gif
    http://www.2012electionyear.com/2011/01/breaking-tucson-tea-party-leader-threatened-at-abc-taping-unhinged-leftist-arrested/


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    Jan 16, 2011 4:13 PM GMT
    west77 said... Indeed, what a douche... if only somebody would have shot him (let's say in the leg, rather than head) while taping at the town hall event he attended yesterday instead of only yelling threats and "shooting a picture"... that would teach him. (Man, this rhetoric thing is fun!)...

    Only fun when it comes from your side. Total indignation when it doesn't.
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    Jan 16, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThese people are unbelievable...
    One tea party leader says that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has herself to blame for getting shot in the head Saturday.

    The Arizona congresswoman shouldn't have attended an event "in full view of the public" if she had security concerns, according to Tucson Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries.

    What a douche bag.

    Indeed, what a douche... if only somebody would have shot him (let's say in the leg, rather than head) while taping at the town hall event he attended yesterday instead of only yelling threats and "shooting a picture"... that would teach him. (Man, this rhetoric thing is fun!)



    The douchebag ought to take his own advice.. he might actually need it!
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    Jan 16, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThese people are unbelievable. icon_rolleyes.gif

    RawStoryTucson tea party founder says Giffords to blame for getting shot

    One tea party leader says that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has herself to blame for getting shot in the head Saturday.

    The Arizona congresswoman shouldn't have attended an event "in full view of the public" if she had security concerns, according to Tucson Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries.


    Town Hall Death Threat 'Ironically Came From a Hard-core Liberal'

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/16/geraldo-rivera-town-hall-death-threat-ironically-came-hard-core-liber#ixzz1BEQFxJUi

    Amazing silence on RJ.

    So a mentally ill man with a vendetta that stretches before 2008 goes on a shooting spree.
    There is liberal triangulation to blame there political opponents without evidence.

    Then a man ( who was shot ) btw makes a threat to the Tea party leader in a Public forum ( "You are DEAD")

    where is Paul Krugman? what shall we do.?

    See what happens when we fib and exaggerate it tends to come back.
    Now those on the left who blamed without evidence look morally bankrupt, and accused of the same rhetorhic.


    Where is Democracy now, Daily Kos, to denounce someone saying :"YOUR DEAD

    I believe this is in a act of desperation. From the left, felt left behind after the short power they had. And likely worse times to come, to try to capitalize and still be part of the conversation. Its sick and wrong.
    These are not peace loving hippies, they are radicals hungry for power. And will say anything for political advantage.

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    Jan 16, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThese people are unbelievable. icon_rolleyes.gif

    RawStoryTucson tea party founder says Giffords to blame for getting shot

    One tea party leader says that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has herself to blame for getting shot in the head Saturday.

    The Arizona congresswoman shouldn't have attended an event "in full view of the public" if she had security concerns, according to Tucson Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries.

    Giffords warned MSNBC's Chuck Todd last year that there would be "consequences" to violent rhetoric and imagery after Fox News' Sarah Palin released a graphic which placed crosshairs over the congresswoman's district.

    "But the thing is that the way that [Palin] has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district," Giffords said. "And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action."

    But Humphries thinks Giffords was just speaking out against Palin for political gain.

    "It's political gamesmanship," he told the Guardian. "The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?"



    What a douche bag.

    Full story here:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/tucson-tea-party-founder-giffords-blame-shot/


    What are we to do with the guy who unfortunately was shot , then has made death threats and arrested in Arizona?

    Town Hall Death Threat 'Ironically Came From a Hard-core Liberal'

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/16/geraldo-rivera-town-hall-death-threat-ironically-came-hard-core-liber#ixzz1BEQFxJUi

    Amazing silence on RJ.

    So a mentally ill man with a vendetta that stretches before 2008 goes on a shooting spree.
    There is liberal triangulation to blame there political opponents without evidence.

    Then a man ( who was shot ) btw makes a threat to the Tea party leader in a Public forum ( "You are DEAD")

    where is Paul Krugman? what shall we do.

    See what happens when we fib and exaggerate it tends to come back.




    What shameful partisan politicization of this tragedy.
    Just like Fox reporting that the shooter is a "pot-smoking left-winger", because someone who knew Loughner back in 2006-7 said he thought Loughner seemed like a left-winger.
    Contrary to the FACT that Loughner registered as an Independent in 2006.
    That turned out to be a shitload of fib and exaggeration that got spread by Fox.

    And how about the actions of this Republican woman in Indiana.
    Are you disgusted by her actions?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_candidate_threats

    And she wasn't SHOT by anyone.
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    west77 said... Indeed, what a douche... if only somebody would have shot him (let's say in the leg, rather than head) while taping at the town hall event he attended yesterday instead of only yelling threats and "shooting a picture"... that would teach him. (Man, this rhetoric thing is fun!)...

    Only fun when it comes from your side. Total indignation when it doesn't.

    Silence. Ignore rhetoric from the left, even when it comes from an RJ member.

    musclmed said... I believe this is in a act of desperation. From the left, felt left behind after the short power they had. And likely worse times to come, to try to capitalize and still be part of the conversation. Its sick and wrong.
    These are not peace loving hippies, they are radicals hungry for power. And will say anything for political advantage.

    Absolutely correct. The left is frustrated and angry. They thought everything was lined up in 2008 to turn this country into what Western Europe is now running away from. Their protests both on radical left sites, smear outfits such as MSNBC, and by the passionate ones on RJ are angry and shrill. Doesn't matter. They took their latest hit when the public rejected their attempt to shamelessly exploit the Tucson tragedy. They are quickly becoming irrelevant, but moderates and fiscal conservatives need to remain proactive through the 2012 election.
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    socalfitness saidWhy does the thread title contain "leaders" instead of "leader"? Inaccuracy to try and make the story seem more important and justify the RJ lead "These people..."?



    Because it is the LOUDEST Tbaggers who seem to be the leaders all across the country and are the ones most heard from and they are the ones who point to most Tbaggers being out of touch with reality, bringing unelectable people far righters to the forfront such as Angle (second amendment solutions), Odonnel.(no such thing as separation of church and state), Miller (no more unemployment benifits) and the list goes on and on. So if Baggers want to be taken seriously they need to pick leaders who aren't way out on the far far right.


    As CuriousJ wrote above, no one is to blame except the shooter, but that fact, doesn't take away from the need for everyone in politics including the Baggers to tone down their negative rhetoric, its not that hard, children are watching, mentally unstable people can be influenced negatively and lets be adults about it and just limit inflaming rhetoric.
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    Jan 17, 2011 10:31 AM GMT
    I noticed it has been a few days since the last post... thought this cartoon was a great summation of the events and rhetoric.
    socalfitness said
    Only fun when it comes from your side. Total indignation when it doesn't.

    I really hope that my sarcasm and ridicule of both sides was evident in that post and that nobody took me seriously.
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    Jan 17, 2011 10:43 AM GMT
    Can we start using this as a defense in court? Can any successful assassin say "Hey, it was his/her fault. He/she should have had more security."?
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    musclmed said... I believe this is in a act of desperation. From the left, felt left behind after the short power they had. And likely worse times to come, to try to capitalize and still be part of the conversation. Its sick and wrong.
    These are not peace loving hippies, they are radicals hungry for power. And will say anything for political advantage.

    Absolutely correct. The left is frustrated and angry. They thought everything was lined up in 2008 to turn this country into what Western Europe is now running away from. Their protests both on radical left sites, smear outfits such as MSNBC, and by the passionate ones on RJ are angry and shrill. Doesn't matter. They took their latest hit when the public rejected their attempt to shamelessly exploit the Tucson tragedy. They are quickly becoming irrelevant, but moderates and fiscal conservatives need to remain proactive through the 2012 election.[/quote]

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    why all over 65 y old guys are so annoying here...?
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    Jan 19, 2011 9:54 AM GMT
    OP, so essentially what you're saying is the tea party is the new Third Reich.
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    JAKEBENSON saidOP, so essentially what you're saying is the tea party is the new Third Reich.

    Actually I've said from the beginning their political beliefs are essentially Fascist, and they're bankrolled by corporate interests (Koch brothers among others). If it goose-steps like a duck (wait, that's a mixed metaphor... oh well).
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    JAKEBENSON saidOP, so essentially what you're saying is the tea party is the new Third Reich.

    Actually I've said from the beginning their political beliefs are essentially Fascist, and they're bankrolled by corporate interests (Koch brothers among others). If it goose-steps like a duck (wait, that's a mixed metaphor... oh well).

    Well if they continue to say things like these, which are quotes I would expect from the Westboro Baptist church, then they're essentially a cult and should not be involved with politics to this degree.
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    Jan 19, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    Well, yah know, same logic that says a woman who's raped was "asking for it" because she was dressed too attractively. You look good you get raped, men are just like that, your fault, not theirs.

    Likewise, if you're a Democratic politician in Arizona you have no business appearing in public. You're gonna get shot, Arizonans are just like that, your fault, not theirs. That's the essence of this argument.

    In other words, don't be a Democrat in Arizona, cause we're gonna shoot you, and it's gonna be your fault, not ours. Nice state, Arizona, and nice political group, those Teabaggers. And this was their state leader who made those comments? icon_eek.gif
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    Art_Deco saidWell, yah know, same logic that says a woman who's raped was "asking for it" because she was dressed too attractively. You look good you get raped, men are just like that, your fault, not theirs.

    Likewise, if you're a Democratic politician in Arizona you have no business appearing in public. You're gonna get shot, Arizonans are just like that, your fault, not theirs. That's the essence of this argument.

    In other words, don't be a Democrat in Arizona, cause we're gonna shoot you, and it's gonna be your fault, not ours. Nice state, Arizona, and nice political group, those Teabaggers. And this was their state leader who made those comments? icon_eek.gif


    you put the democrat word in there.

    No one would be asking the tea party about this but for the baseless accusation they had something to do with it.

    You cant connect the dots to this guy. Thats why no one is talking about it anymore.

    And when one of the victims says "you die" what does that say? PTSD all around ....

    When you call fire in a theater you get a riot, and chaos.
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    you put the democrat word in there.


    Enough people say the word to make it valid. This is how words shift over time. "Normalcy" wasn't even a word until some President said it by accident during a speech the 20s or 30s.
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    No one would be asking the tea party about this but for the baseless accusation they had something to do with it.

    You cant connect the dots to this guy. Thats why no one is talking about it anymore.


    Art_Deco wasn't blaming the Tea Party on the shooting. He was noting that the Tea Party was blaming the victim. Don't confuse the two.
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    Jan 19, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    Damn- last time I heard an outrageous statement like that, I was watching the movie Airplane!.