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    Jan 16, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    A victim of last week's Arizona shooting rampage was arrested on Saturday and ordered to undergo a mental evaluation after threatening a Tea Party leader during the taping of a television show, police said.

    James Eric Fuller, 63, who was shot in the knee on January 8, objected to comments from Trent Humphries, leader of the conservative Tea Party political movement in Tucson, during taping of a town hall meeting organized for an ABC News special program on the aftermath of the shootings.

    Fuller stood, turned and snapped a picture of Humphries, said Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan.

    "Then he yelled at him and said, 'You're dead,'" Ogan said.

    Deputies arrested Fuller on charges of disorderly conduct and making a threat.

    After consultation with a doctor, deputies then took Fuller to a local hospital for an involuntary evaluation, Ogan said.

    The charges will be filed with the Pima County Attorney's Office, he said.

    Fuller was one of 13 people injured when a gunman opened fire during a gathering of constituents of U.S. congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Six people died, including a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, and the Democratic congresswoman remains in critical condition in a Tucson hospital.

    A 22-year-old college dropout, Jared Lee Loughner, was arrested for the shootings. He is charged with five federal counts, including the murder of a federal judge and the attempted assassination of Giffords.

    The rampage sparked a national debate about whether the vitriolic tone of partisan politics in the United States in recent years had contributed to the suspect's motivations.
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    Jan 16, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    I saw this yesterday and think it's very sad. I don't condone what Fuller said, but he's likely suffering from PTSD and I think his participating in this forum was probably a bad idea.

    Of course, Trent Humphries is a tool and has done nothing but blame the victims, including Giffords, and make several inflammatory statements.
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    Jan 16, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    It isn't really very "surprising" that the man who was one of the victims shot by Loughner, is angry and has strong opinions about gun control.

    What's the excuse for this Republican from Indiana who's also been arrested for making threatening comments?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_candidate_threats
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    Jan 16, 2011 8:38 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI saw this yesterday and think it's very sad. I don't condone what Fuller said, but he's likely suffering from PTSD and I think his participating in this forum was probably a bad idea.

    Of course, Trent Humphries is a tool and has done nothing but blame the victims, including Giffords, and make several inflammatory statements.


    I agree, he was just shot.

    The question is for those who incited this political nonsense to begin with.

    If not for the accusations. Would Trent Humphries be even asked his opinion?

    The liberals and conservatives should look to the fire-starters and discredit them.

    Jared Loughner is a nut. With no apparent political persuasion who had a personal vendetta.

    This is what happens when you blame and incite for no reason.
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    Jan 17, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]musclmed said[/cite]
    Christian73 saidI saw this yesterday and think it's very sad. I don't condone what Fuller said, but he's likely suffering from PTSD and I think his participating in this forum was probably a bad idea.

    Of course, Trent Humphries is a tool and has done nothing but blame the victims, including Giffords, and make several inflammatory statements.


    I agree, he was just shot.

    The question is for those who incited this political nonsense to begin with.

    If not for the accusations. Would Trent Humphries be even asked his opinion?

    The liberals and conservatives should look to the fire-starters and discredit them.

    Jared Loughner is a nut. With no apparent political persuasion who had a personal vendetta.

    This is what happens when you blame and incite for no reason.[/quote


    Your last sentense !!! Yep !! your right, whe your party continually blames and incites hate with constant statements like, Obama's not one of us, Obama's a Muslim, Obama's not an American, Obama was born in Kenya, Obama hates America, Obama should show his Birth cirtificate, Multiple congressman, senators, Tbagger leaders and Politicians running for office, saying "I'm not sure !! I haven't seen his birth cirtificate", Obama's a fascist, a Socialist working to take down our country, Obama is Apologising for America we have American exceptionalism and he's denying it. Obama hates Israel, Obama if elected will be the end of Israel. Fox new promoting tbagger rallies where many a sign said the above, Fox news keeps these words going in their coverage day in day out. Crosshairs maps for Tbaggers to work against, Angles 2nd Amendment remedies, Obama's palling around with extremists, the Liberals are ruining America, the Liberals through Obama are coming after our guns, Obama is taking over our Health Care, Death Panels, and the list goes on and on and on, WORD HAVE CONSEQUENCES, you cannot even begin to match the above to what little the liberals have said in anywhere near this negative amount of Rhetoric from the Tbaggers and the far right. So as a republican take your own advice and don't blame and incite for no reason, none of the above rhetoric is true about Obama but your party keeps promoting this dissinformation. Why don't you influence your fellow republicans to cut the bull ???
  • GQjock

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    Jan 17, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    The man was just SHOT by a lunatic with a semi-automatic weapon and an extended ammunition clip that was sold by the good graces of the State of Arizona
    I do not condone in any shape way or form what he did
    But do I understand his reasoning

    ....................... Of Course I do
  • musclmed

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    Jan 17, 2011 2:55 AM GMT
    realifedad said[quote][cite]musclmed said[/cite]
    Christian73 saidI saw this yesterday and think it's very sad. I don't condone what Fuller said, but he's likely suffering from PTSD and I think his participating in this forum was probably a bad idea.

    Of course, Trent Humphries is a tool and has done nothing but blame the victims, including Giffords, and make several inflammatory statements.


    I agree, he was just shot.

    The question is for those who incited this political nonsense to begin with.

    If not for the accusations. Would Trent Humphries be even asked his opinion?

    The liberals and conservatives should look to the fire-starters and discredit them.

    Jared Loughner is a nut. With no apparent political persuasion who had a personal vendetta.

    This is what happens when you blame and incite for no reason.[/quote


    Your last sentense !!! Yep !! your right, whe your party continually blames and incites hate with constant statements like, Obama's not one of us, Obama's a Muslim, Obama's not an American, Obama was born in Kenya, Obama hates America, Obama should show his Birth cirtificate, Multiple congressman, senators, Tbagger leaders and Politicians running for office, saying "I'm not sure !! I haven't seen his birth cirtificate", Obama's a fascist, a Socialist working to take down our country, Obama is Apologising for America we have American exceptionalism and he's denying it. Obama hates Israel, Obama if elected will be the end of Israel. Fox new promoting tbagger rallies where many a sign said the above, Fox news keeps these words going in their coverage day in day out. Crosshairs maps for Tbaggers to work against, Angles 2nd Amendment remedies, Obama's palling around with extremists, the Liberals are ruining America, the Liberals through Obama are coming after our guns, Obama is taking over our Health Care, Death Panels, and the list goes on and on and on, WORD HAVE CONSEQUENCES, you cannot even begin to match the above to what little the liberals have said in anywhere near this negative amount of Rhetoric from the Tbaggers and the far right. So as a republican take your own advice and don't blame and incite for no reason, none of the above rhetoric is true about Obama but your party keeps promoting this dissinformation. Why don't you influence your fellow republicans to cut the bull ???


    And there we are... Defening silence when its a democrat.

    Im not a republican by registration ( btw). I am a libertarian, so mention all you want about the republicans.

    Still doesnt change the facts. This engineered outrage and hijacking of a senseless tragedy has backfired .
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    Jan 17, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    realifedad said[quote][cite]musclmed said[/cite]
    Christian73 saidI saw this yesterday and think it's very sad. I don't condone what Fuller said, but he's likely suffering from PTSD and I think his participating in this forum was probably a bad idea.

    Of course, Trent Humphries is a tool and has done nothing but blame the victims, including Giffords, and make several inflammatory statements.


    I agree, he was just shot.

    The question is for those who incited this political nonsense to begin with.

    If not for the accusations. Would Trent Humphries be even asked his opinion?

    The liberals and conservatives should look to the fire-starters and discredit them.

    Jared Loughner is a nut. With no apparent political persuasion who had a personal vendetta.

    This is what happens when you blame and incite for no reason.[/quote


    Your last sentense !!! Yep !! your right, whe your party continually blames and incites hate with constant statements like, Obama's not one of us, Obama's a Muslim, Obama's not an American, Obama was born in Kenya, Obama hates America, Obama should show his Birth cirtificate, Multiple congressman, senators, Tbagger leaders and Politicians running for office, saying "I'm not sure !! I haven't seen his birth cirtificate", Obama's a fascist, a Socialist working to take down our country, Obama is Apologising for America we have American exceptionalism and he's denying it. Obama hates Israel, Obama if elected will be the end of Israel. Fox new promoting tbagger rallies where many a sign said the above, Fox news keeps these words going in their coverage day in day out. Crosshairs maps for Tbaggers to work against, Angles 2nd Amendment remedies, Obama's palling around with extremists, the Liberals are ruining America, the Liberals through Obama are coming after our guns, Obama is taking over our Health Care, Death Panels, and the list goes on and on and on, WORD HAVE CONSEQUENCES, you cannot even begin to match the above to what little the liberals have said in anywhere near this negative amount of Rhetoric from the Tbaggers and the far right. So as a republican take your own advice and don't blame and incite for no reason, none of the above rhetoric is true about Obama but your party keeps promoting this dissinformation. Why don't you influence your fellow republicans to cut the bull ???


    And there we are... Defening silence when its a democrat.

    Im not a republican by registration ( btw). I am a libertarian, so mention all you want about the republicans.

    Still doesnt change the facts. This engineered outrage and hijacking of a senseless tragedy has backfired .


    Actually, besides you only leftists have commented and to a person we've all said what he did was wrong, but perhaps understandable given his recent trauma and Humphries general douche-bagginess.
  • Webster666

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    Jan 17, 2011 7:21 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed said
    realifedad said[quote][cite]musclmed said[/cite]
    Christian73 saidI saw this yesterday and think it's very sad. I don't condone what Fuller said, but he's likely suffering from PTSD and I think his participating in this forum was probably a bad idea.

    Of course, Trent Humphries is a tool and has done nothing but blame the victims, including Giffords, and make several inflammatory statements.


    I agree, he was just shot.

    The question is for those who incited this political nonsense to begin with.

    If not for the accusations. Would Trent Humphries be even asked his opinion?

    The liberals and conservatives should look to the fire-starters and discredit them.

    Jared Loughner is a nut. With no apparent political persuasion who had a personal vendetta.

    This is what happens when you blame and incite for no reason.[/quote


    Your last sentense !!! Yep !! your right, whe your party continually blames and incites hate with constant statements like, Obama's not one of us, Obama's a Muslim, Obama's not an American, Obama was born in Kenya, Obama hates America, Obama should show his Birth cirtificate, Multiple congressman, senators, Tbagger leaders and Politicians running for office, saying "I'm not sure !! I haven't seen his birth cirtificate", Obama's a fascist, a Socialist working to take down our country, Obama is Apologising for America we have American exceptionalism and he's denying it. Obama hates Israel, Obama if elected will be the end of Israel. Fox new promoting tbagger rallies where many a sign said the above, Fox news keeps these words going in their coverage day in day out. Crosshairs maps for Tbaggers to work against, Angles 2nd Amendment remedies, Obama's palling around with extremists, the Liberals are ruining America, the Liberals through Obama are coming after our guns, Obama is taking over our Health Care, Death Panels, and the list goes on and on and on, WORD HAVE CONSEQUENCES, you cannot even begin to match the above to what little the liberals have said in anywhere near this negative amount of Rhetoric from the Tbaggers and the far right. So as a republican take your own advice and don't blame and incite for no reason, none of the above rhetoric is true about Obama but your party keeps promoting this dissinformation. Why don't you influence your fellow republicans to cut the bull ???


    And there we are... Defening silence when its a democrat.

    Im not a republican by registration ( btw). I am a libertarian, so mention all you want about the republicans.

    Still doesnt change the facts. This engineered outrage and hijacking of a senseless tragedy has backfired .


    Actually, besides you only leftists have commented and to a person we've all said what he did was wrong, but perhaps understandable given his recent trauma and Humphries general douche-bagginess.






    I agree.
    Republicans/Libertarians/Teabaggers have had free rein to use all manner of hatred and lies and instilling irrational fear, all in the name of getting their candidates elected.

    And, the craziest and angriest and dumbest of these people see this as a call to violent action.

    As for the poor man who got shot, then lashed out (verbally) at the Teabagger, I don't blame him. Our Federal government should be keeping close tabs on the Teabaggers. They are a 21st century version of the KKK.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 17, 2011 11:56 AM GMT
    was put on another post but sure as hell serves its purpose here as well
    US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias
    • Civil rights report shows 250% rise in 'patriot' groups
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups

    Resurgent Right-Wing Militias
    The extreme right is armed, dangerous, and coming to a town near you
    http://www.utne.com/Politics/Resurgent-Right-Wing-Militias.aspx

    Left Wing: The Hutaree Militia and Why Today’s Wingnuts Are Right Wing
    http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle/2010/03/30/left-wing-the-hutaree-militia-and-why-today-s-wingnuts-are-right-wing.html
    “It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist,”

    The Hutaree militia and the rising risk of far-right violence
    By Eugene Robinson
    Tuesday, March 30, 2010
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/29/AR2010032901891.html

    U.S. right-wing groups, militias surge
    (Reuters) - The number of right-wing "Patriot" groups that see the U.S. government as their enemy more than doubled in the last year
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6234JT20100304

    In the Obama era, right-wing militias flourish
    By Joe Conason
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/10/01/secret_plot_david_axelrod

    Terror Begins at Home
    March 23, 2009 Issue The American Conservative
    http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/mar/23/00016/

    Militia Charged With Plotting to Murder Officers
    By NICK BUNKLEY and CHARLIE SAVAGE
    Published: March 29, 2010
    NYT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/us/30militia.html

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