Blood Donation...

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    Mar 27, 2008 8:23 PM GMT
    Ever since i was in high school, ive wanted to give blood. But, ever since high school i was in swimming and the coach didn't allow you to give blood cause it took time away from training.
    Same thing in college for the past 2 years.
    BUT, now that season is over, there was a blood drive at our college.
    I filled out the questionaire and they said i couldn't give blood cause i had contact sexually with another male...
    Even if every time was safe... does that matter?
    And will i ever be able to donate blood??
  • imperator

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    Mar 27, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    That's been the policy for some time. They *say* it's based on the 'higher risk' of gay men having HIV, but a few years back when statistically the highest new-infection rates were-- for a while-- among straight women they never said "we aren't taking their blood anymore, either." And the fact that it's based on one act is especially egregious-- even if it was your first time, and his first time, and you were both coated in latex from head to toe, one little act of sodomy taints your dirty fag blood forever. Meanwhile, someone who's has unprotected sex with hundreds or thousands of other-sex partners, so long as none of them has befagged themselves, well they're still fine to donate. Once you factor in that it's mandatory for them to test every unit they collect anyway, the whole thing is a pretty transparent case of irrational bias.

    Even though I was in no hurry to donate before anyway (eek, needles!) when I heard about the whole crooked sham I thought "you don't want my healthy, homo O-? fine by me, hope y'all bleed out."
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    Mar 28, 2008 1:48 AM GMT
    As someone who has organized blood drives before I can safely say that it doesn't matter if you had safe sex every single time you did it, we won't accept your blood if you're a homosexual. Yeah..it's stupid. The risk of diseases being transmitted is extremely high among homosexuals compared to the rest of the population. Much more bodily fluids are involved, much more oral sex.....etc.

    Sure you can donate blood if you don't tell them you had sexual contact with another guy, have a tattoo, have a low white blood cell count or suffering from blood related diseases such as sickel cell. If you don't eat couple hours before giving blood you might be rejected again.
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    Mar 28, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    wait, but dont they have that on record now??
    And even with a span of like 4 years with out having sex/oral sex will still made my blood dirty?? even though i tested neg on all my blood tests for every disease?
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    Mar 28, 2008 3:10 AM GMT
    It's a stupid bias.

    I'm not dirty.

    I donate blood anyway.

    My blood type: A+
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    Mar 28, 2008 7:43 AM GMT
    Glswimfan123 saidwait, but dont they have that on record now??
    And even with a span of like 4 years with out having sex/oral sex will still made my blood dirty?? even though i tested neg on all my blood tests for every disease?

    No, your blood isn't "dirty". Since the HIV/AIDS epidemic back in the 80s, there's been a policy of not accepting blood donations from anyone who's had sexual contact with someone of the same sex. Period. Forever... or at least until they change the policy.

    I understand why the policy was made, and at the time, it made sense. However, there are other sections of society with equal or greater infection rates who aren't always subject to that policy... at least, not as an entire group.

    It never really pissed me off until I tried to donate when 9/11 happened... I'm O+, universal donor, and they were begging for my blood type... but despite having been completely celibate for the preceeding 5 years and testing negative for all diseases, I was rejected. I think the policy needs revision in light of current medical technology and infection data, but I doubt it will happen any time soon. Meanwhile, I've given up on donating blood, organs or tissue. I won't lie just so I can donate.
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    Mar 28, 2008 8:17 AM GMT
    The law is the same dawn here in Oz. Having sexual contact, with another male rules you out. But the same rule does not Apply to lesbians?

    I was able to donate blood, until I was 22 yo.
  • OptimusMatt

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    Mar 28, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    We've got the same policy up here in Canada, and it infuriated me when I first encountered it. But...I got over it. Whatever, f*ck you Canadian Blood Services.
    Now they've introduced the same policy for organ donation. AS IF that's the biggest concern when you're waiting on a kidney from a disease-free homo and your doctor tells you "Oh, sorry about that but he's homosexual. We'll just have to wait a little while longer and look for a nice, straight kidney for ya. Buck up champ!"
    Christ. However, if you've abstained from homosexual sex for 5 years or longer, the Ministry of Health will take your tainted organs.

    I wondered the same thing about lesbians myself at the time, actually. I wonder if it's enforced as...stringently with the opposite sex?
  • joggerva

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    Mar 28, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to lesbians since they are at the lowest risk for HIV.

    I've stopped donating blood since I came out, but I never thought about the organ donation issue, darn!
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    Mar 28, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    Ok, no one has answered my other question...
    Do they have on record that i have had sex with another guy?? Cause i do wanna donate god damnit.
    And yes, lesbians are subject to i think. They say any sexual touching with "same sex" which means women too.
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    Mar 29, 2008 12:00 AM GMT
    It's difficult to say whether or not they have that information on record. Some centres keep these records while others might not. If you provided the donation centre with this information in hardcopy format it is liable to get lost.

    If you really want to give blood that badly (which is quite admirable i must say) the only way to know if they have it in their system is to go back and try to give blood again. If they have a record of your roll in the hay then they won't allow you to give blood. My suggestion to you if this should happen is to try another Donation Centre.
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    Mar 29, 2008 12:41 AM GMT
    Glswimfan123 saidOk, no one has answered my other question...
    Do they have on record that i have had sex with another guy?? Cause i do wanna donate god damnit.
    And yes, lesbians are subject to i think. They say any sexual touching with "same sex" which means women too.


    Lesbians are definitely not restricted from giving blood, because the restriction is not intended to remove all homosexuals from the pool of blood donors. The question they ask you--if you are a man--is if you have had sex with another man since 1977.

    I doubt the Red Cross has the money or personnel to spare to keep a national registry of man-loving men.

    Why is it so important for you to give blood? Can you be absolutely certain that you are negative? Be aware: you can test negative and still be HIV-positive.

    I agree that it is frustrating to be classed as "dirty," and I agree that many HIV-negative gay and bisexual men are excluded from donating by the rule. However, as someone who might someday need a blood transfusion, I don't know how much I like the idea of every gay man out there who believes that he is negative deciding to give blood anyway. No offense! And I know they test the blood rigorously! I just suspect there are several HIV-positive people out there who sincerely believe they are HIV-negative.

    It seems from your post that you're frustrated because you have wanted this experience of giving blood and now you can't have it. Honestly, it's just not that big a deal: It's boring, and you lie there and squeeze your arm, and then you're dizzy for a day afterward. You do feel like you did a good deed, but there are a lot of other good deeds out there that need to be done and that don't require you to lie.
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    Mar 29, 2008 10:42 AM GMT
    you know I phoned the blood bank last year. To ask if the laws had changed. They said no.

    I stated: But it's now a number of years since I had any sexual contact. Did not matter. I also stated. I have str8 mates whom are more of a slut, than I am. Does not matter either.

    Please know. You have too sign a declaration. If you get caught out. You would be in deep shit.
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    Mar 29, 2008 8:03 PM GMT
    SockMonkey saidIt seems from your post that you're frustrated because you have wanted this experience of giving blood and now you can't have it. Honestly, it's just not that big a deal:


    Hmm...
    About 7 years ago, my sister passed away in the hospital from liver cancer. They had run out of the blood supply the hospital had stocked and the cancer took her life within a matter of minutes one morning. As i am NOT the same blood type as her... i felt helpless sitting there watching her die on that hospital bed.
    You may call me a liar, you may say that i have HIV even though ive never had unprotected sex/ got tested 2 months ago, you may say its no big deal.
    Well... you'd be wrong.
    So if theres at least a little chance of donating blood that could potentially save someones life...
    Im sure that person wouldn't mind.
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    Mar 29, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    Lazz saidIf you really want to give blood that badly (which is quite admirable i must say) the only way to know if they have it in their system is to go back and try to give blood again. If they have a record of your roll in the hay then they won't allow you to give blood. My suggestion to you if this should happen is to try another Donation Centre.


    thanks man, i will try icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 30, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    thanks for that muchmorethanmuscle...
    sorry to hear about your situation, must be hard. I know how hard it was for my sister so, best luck with everything in the future
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    May 15, 2008 3:01 AM GMT
    im O+ and i give blood all the time! Well , you know what i mean...every 3-6 mths. I feel like those who are physically able should do it. Besides when im on the chopping table (God PLEASE forbid it) i would like to know ive got some back juice , haha.
  • HereNBoston

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    May 15, 2008 10:47 PM GMT
    this stupid rule was put into place when they had no reliable screening methods for HIV, and i don't even think they had even been able to isolate it yet. i think 1982 is when the first AIDS cases were reported from blood transfusions, and it wasn't until 1985 that they even had a way of screening for antibodies. so naturally they just stopped taking donations from high risk groups like gay men. odds of contracting hiv from a blood transfusion is like 1 in a 2,000,000 usually due to a lab clerical error so the policy is obviously outdated.... if its that important just go to another testing site and lie and see if they hve it on file or not.
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    May 16, 2008 9:49 PM GMT
    It is a pity really. I already knew they screened their donors so I knew what to answer (and am clean so no worries).
    I hate to lie but I may be saving lives.

    I am O- and they really want my blood.. and I give it.

  • Schnapps78

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    Nov 06, 2010 7:16 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI would also suggest not to tell your doctor or anyone that keeps medical records on you in relation to sexual preferences. Not sure if it's the case but perhaps the donation centers might reference your medical records and this would be the only way that they could find out.


    I've never been good at not telling my doctor(s) that I'm gay. I feel like it is a necessary disclosure, and I tire of assumptions that are made. I guess that's the one downfall I have in relation to donating blood, because I would LOVE to be able to! It irks me that I cannot provide one of the biggest needs just because I sleep with other men. It is such a bigoted and antiquated, and I wish that policy could be removed.
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    Nov 06, 2010 7:35 AM GMT
    It's extremely unethical to lie about any of the stuff they require you to answer on their questionnaire, no matter if you agree with their policy or not.
  • austinlee

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    Nov 07, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    It's pretty much fucked up stereotyping.... They should at least have you get tested and go from there, but not just because you are having sex with another man. what? straight world all safe?
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    Nov 07, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    Old stuff.. but I believe you can still donate blood if you've had sex with someone of the opposite sex that's HIV+ after a year.... odd.
    I'd still pass on giving blood.
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    Nov 07, 2010 3:38 AM GMT
    i think i have the rarest of all blood types which i think is AB so too bad i guess.
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    Nov 07, 2010 6:22 AM GMT
    PrinceOfArya saidi think i have the rarest of all blood types which i think is AB so too bad i guess.


    I am AB neg, which like you said, is the rarest. When it comes to donating blood, we arent really that important because we're so rare, and because we're universal recipients; we can accept any type.

    OTOH, AB neg is the universal donor when it comes to platelets, so in that instance, we suddenly become special, like O neg blood donors. icon_razz.gif