Soldiers and Marines, not for this Airman.

  • CarbGoggles

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    Jan 21, 2011 2:42 AM GMT
    I'm not sure what it is but I can't seem to see past the uniform... I've worked in the Joint environment and met some cool soldiers and Marines. The fact that they are Army or USMC totally kills it for me though. I recognize that each service is its own culture and I respect that. However, I just can't relate to soldiers and Marines. It's so bad that as soon as I am aware that they are a soldier or Marine, I lose all interest. Navy, eh they aren't so bad I guess... Am I the only AF that feels this way?
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    Jan 21, 2011 4:00 AM GMT
    Of course you can't relate. Air Force is like an office job, but you wear a uniform to work. Army and Marine Corps have less administrative roles and more combat related. Their culture, life experience, and mindset are much different.

    But I don't see what your issue is. At the end of the day, when they come home from work, they're regular people just like you. Maybe you should make more of an effort to get to know them as a person, and not as a "soldier" or "Marine".
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    Jan 21, 2011 4:09 AM GMT
    Im so confused to what turns you off.. the part where they actually do something.
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    Jan 21, 2011 5:02 AM GMT
    mnboy saidIm so confused to what turns you off.. the part where they actually do something.


    Wicked sense of humor.
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    Jan 21, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    I think your ill sense of comradely might be due to the fact that while in the Army and Marine corps they establish a stronger sense of teamwork and the unity while the Air Force focuses on an individual Airmen/Officer and getting away from "One Team One Fight".

    In the Air Force we have a few AFSC that still live up to the esprit-de-corps that the Marines and Army have but these are considered the lower of the totem pole jobs. I was at one time a 3P0X1 (Military Police) and never found it hard to relate to our Army/Marine counterparts. Perhaps your AFSC may be an issue but really they we all do the same job, we just wear a different hat under a different branch.

    Finding a common ground and breaking from the individualistic mentality that many Airmen sometimes have is what should help make this better for you.


  • LJay

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    Jan 21, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    MN, we gotta have a drink!
  • coolarmydude

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    Jan 21, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    Your dilemma seems trivial and doesn't really make sense, especially since it was the Army that created what is now the Air Force.
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    Jan 21, 2011 5:36 AM GMT
    Other combat AFSCs that interface with combat Marines and Army also include ParaRescue and Combat Controllers, as well as any AFSOC personnel in forward operational environments.

    But most USAF enlisted personnel have an experience much like a 9-to-5 job - excluding alerts or NATO or PACOM or other such exercises of course.

    Our heritage is from the Army, but we are culturally closer to the surface Navy in many respects.

    But as other posters have said - we all have a brotherhood of arms in service to the Republic together. ;)
  • DCguy2001

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    Jan 21, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
    This begs the question: what about the Coast Guard?

    educational-coast-guard-academy-options.

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    Jan 21, 2011 5:59 AM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI'm not sure what it is but I can't seem to see past the uniform... I've worked in the Joint environment and met some cool soldiers and Marines. The fact that they are Army or USMC totally kills it for me though. I recognize that each service is its own culture and I respect that. However, I just can't relate to soldiers and Marines. It's so bad that as soon as I am aware that they are a soldier or Marine, I lose all interest. Navy, eh they aren't so bad I guess... Am I the only AF that feels this way?



    I've been with many marines/navy, living in San Diego, it's hard not to run into that, with several bases located here.

    I too, run the other way when I find out they are military. I have not had any positive experiences. But I tend not to talk about my view much as it sounds bad, especially since many of these men risk their lives for their country.
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:13 AM GMT
    Please send me all the hot soldiers and marines you are not interested in.
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:21 AM GMT
    ....they have all been the same around me...BOTTOMS! icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:28 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidYour dilemma seems trivial and doesn't really make sense, especially since it was the Army that created what is now the Air Force.


    You mean to say the Air Force who separated from the Army. icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:33 AM GMT
    DCguy1999 saidThis begs the question: what about the Coast Guard?




    While they were a former branch of the DoD, with the realignment under the Dept. of Homeland Security I don't think many Airmen work with Seamen (exact terminology escapes me) as Airmen deal primary with all things focused towards the "air".

    Some airmen may have worked with Coast Guard but I'm sure it's few and far in-between. Perhaps at strategic and operational (think of it as regional and national) levels but not at the lowly tactical (day to day levels).
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:34 AM GMT
    Sporty_g said....they have all been the same around me...BOTTOMS! icon_cool.gif


    Especially a good number of Marines, much to my pleasant surprise - not only bottoms, but powerbottoms and even more than a few B&D submissives.

    And some of those boys knew how to take a ruthless pounding very well.
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:52 AM GMT
    I hear ya, I realize an airman is above all(I am being ironical). somebody's has to do the work.

    panel 1: An army soldier in a drenched, muddy foxhole: "Man this sucks!"

    panel 2: A special forces soldier in the same conditions: "Man this sucks, maybe it'll suck some more!"

    panel 3: A Marine in the same conditions: "Man this sucks, maybe I can make it suck some more!"

    panel 4: A sailor looking out a porthole at the tent city: "Man, that looks like it sucks!"

    panel 5: An airman in a lazy boy, holding a remote: "What, no cable?! This sucks!"

    Air Force boot camp, lol

    thanks for making me laugh
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    Ricovelas said
    DCguy1999 saidThis begs the question: what about the Coast Guard?




    While they were a former branch of the DoD, with the realignment under the Dept. of Homeland Security I don't think many Airmen work with Seamen (exact terminology escapes me) as Airmen deal primary with all things focused towards the "air".

    Some airmen may have worked with Coast Guard but I'm sure it's few and far in-between. Perhaps at strategic and operational (think of it as regional and national) levels but not at the lowly tactical (day to day levels).


    Sailors (Seamen) work more closely with Coast Guardsmen than with Airmen for self-explanatory reasons; during peacetime, the USCG is organized under the Department of the Treasury given their role for enforcing customs laws and interdicting crime/piracy in our litoral waters and the high seas in our economic interest zone.

    During a declared war, they would revert to control by the Navy/DoD.

    The cultures are more similar between the USN, USCG, and USAF than they are with the Army and USMC insofar as the former three place a higher degree of focus on the servicemembers as technicians and knowledge workers as opposed to the greater degree of raw soldiering, i.e. being "grunts" as found in the Army and Marines (though through my work with both of those branches, their members are increasingly tasked for a far greater share of knowledge/technical work than ever before).
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    Jan 21, 2011 7:01 AM GMT
    warren_t saidpanel 5: An airman in a lazy boy, holding a remote: "What, no cable?! This sucks!"


    This was me in an alert shelter in England on a 12 hour shift in the early 1990s lol
  • coolarmydude

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    Jan 21, 2011 7:31 AM GMT
    Ricovelas said
    coolarmydude saidYour dilemma seems trivial and doesn't really make sense, especially since it was the Army that created what is now the Air Force.


    You mean to say the Air Force who separated from the Army. icon_razz.gif



    No. I said exactly what I meant. The origins of the Air Force are rooted in the Army Air Corps.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jan 21, 2011 11:06 AM GMT
    Ricovelas saidI think your ill sense of comradely might be due to the fact that while in the Army and Marine corps they establish a stronger sense of teamwork and the unity while the Air Force focuses on an individual Airmen/Officer and getting away from "One Team One Fight".

    In the Air Force we have a few AFSC that still live up to the esprit-de-corps that the Marines and Army have but these are considered the lower of the totem pole jobs. I was at one time a 3P0X1 (Military Police) and never found it hard to relate to our Army/Marine counterparts. Perhaps your AFSC may be an issue but really they we all do the same job, we just wear a different hat under a different branch.

    Finding a common ground and breaking from the individualistic mentality that many Airmen sometimes have is what should help make this better for you.


    BAHAHAHA! I can't relate to SFS either. As soon as I find out an Airman is SFS my boner goes soft. I'm Intel. MI for the Army folks and Crypto for the Navy. It's not that I can't make friends w/ soldiers and Marines. It's that I can't stand working w/ them. If I feel you suck at your job I'm going to assume you suck at life as well. I have never been impressed with MI troops. Crypto troops however have impressed me.

    I guess my interaction with Soldiers, Marines, and SFS have left me wondering what happened to independent thought. Many of the soldiers I've worked w/ were cool as people minus their addictions to smoking which seems to be a standard in the Army. However, when it came to the job of being an Intel analyst... They fail at abstract thought. Everything has to be black and white. To say "I don't know" is unacceptable. My interactions have shown me that soldiers would rather submit a half baked answer than make the customer wait so proper research can be done. It's like they are more scared of not having an answer than being wrong...

    As far as breaking from individualistic mentality, that's not going to happen. My independent thought is what separates me from the shitty analysts who expect all the answers to fit in a pretty little box even if they have to make it fit.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jan 21, 2011 11:08 AM GMT
    warren_t saidI hear ya, I realize an airman is above all(I am being ironical). somebody's has to do the work.

    panel 1: An army soldier in a drenched, muddy foxhole: "Man this sucks!"

    panel 2: A special forces soldier in the same conditions: "Man this sucks, maybe it'll suck some more!"

    panel 3: A Marine in the same conditions: "Man this sucks, maybe I can make it suck some more!"

    panel 4: A sailor looking out a porthole at the tent city: "Man, that looks like it sucks!"

    panel 5: An airman in a lazy boy, holding a remote: "What, no cable?! This sucks!"

    Air Force boot camp, lol

    thanks for making me laugh


    LOL I'm not a big fan of ground wars. I just don't see the point. With the assets the AF posses I don't see the need for putting ground troops lives at risk. We're expensive but we get results.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jan 21, 2011 11:09 AM GMT
    DCguy1999 saidThis begs the question: what about the Coast Guard?

    educational-coast-guard-academy-options.

    The who?
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jan 21, 2011 11:11 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    Ricovelas said
    coolarmydude saidYour dilemma seems trivial and doesn't really make sense, especially since it was the Army that created what is now the Air Force.


    You mean to say the Air Force who separated from the Army. icon_razz.gif



    No. I said exactly what I meant. The origins of the Air Force are rooted in the Army Air Corps.
    The AF was born out of the Army but that was a long time ago. We're a totally different beast these days. To say the Army should receive credit for what the AF is today... That's absolutely ridiculous.
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    Jan 21, 2011 11:14 AM GMT
    this thread is ridiculous.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jan 21, 2011 11:15 AM GMT
    theAutonomous saidthis thread is ridiculous.
    It is, isn't it LAWLAWLAWLZZZ