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    Jan 21, 2011 9:29 AM GMT
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    Jan 21, 2011 12:11 PM GMT
    Does it make sense to get skinny and then try to put on muscle of (sic) vice versa?

    You are not so overweight that you cannot put on muscle while becoming leaner. How educated is your trainer in nutrition?

    As for the stretch marks: I think they look better than fat. If they really bother you, don't shave that sexy body hair. I wouldn't.
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    Jan 21, 2011 1:11 PM GMT
    If the stretch marks are really bothering you, you can ask at your local pharmacy for Vitamin E oil. You rub it in to the marks and it should help to visibly reduce their appearance.
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    Jan 21, 2011 1:33 PM GMT
    The stretch marks don't look that bad. Most guys I see at the gym have them around the waist, and I've even seen that guys with hude biceps sometimes have them around the arm, especially the bodybuilder guys. No one seems to bother too much about them.

    I wouldn't worry about them at all. You aren't fat.

    As for losing fat first and then putting on muscle: it doesn't work that way. Just concentrate on eating right, weightlifting and mild aerobic exercise and you can do both at the same time. But your trainer should know this.

    Also, you say that you feel weaker. You shouldn't be feeling weaker. Tired? Yes! Sore? Yes. Weak? NO. Make sure he's not overtraining you too soon.
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    Jan 21, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said....As for the stretch marks: I think they look better than fat. If they really bother you, don't shave that sexy body hair. I wouldn't.


    agree! icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 21, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
    5ebastian saidDoes it make sense to get skinny and then try to put on muscle ... ?


    Noooooo!
    Okay, either will ultimately work, but that's much less effective imo (unless rapidly losing weight is a primary goal and needed on some psychological level).

    Fat people have more muscle than skinny people, all else being equal.
    They're essentially carrying heavy weights around with them everywhere.
    Losing weight as is normal will usually result in some reduction of muscle mass as well (this is also because there's less nutrition available to feed the muscles to some extent; depending on your specific case).

    That's okay, however, given that muscle burns calories (it's very metabolically active) and repairing/growing muscle burns even more calories (it's even more metabolically demanding). I personally would focus on maintaining muscle mass and working hard while getting my eating right (in fact, that's what I did when I got into shape; I eschewed cardio until I was at a place where I was, to first pass, pretty happy with my body).

    I would try calculating your lean mass and the caloric intake appropriate for maintainign it + however much exercise you're doing. (there are lots of online calculators that will do this -- just be sure to use one that takes into account bodyfat percentage - if it doesn't it's useless for this purpose).

    I would then focus on lifting weights. (8-12 is a nice general, bodybuilding rep range, what I used when I started). Find a good workout (if you don't know of any I'm happy to recommend some; I really liked a 2on-1off schedule with x-reps). For each exercsie do the weight that allows you to do your xnumber of sets to fatigue while staying in that range (i.e. if you can do at least 8 for each set, use less wieght, if you can do 12 or more for each set, increase the weight).

    As for diet, I'd recommend looking into a bodybuilder's cutting diet -- the main point being to focus on high protein intake so that your body doesn't canabalize your muscles for protein.

    Again, personally, I went hard with weights for a while until I felt like I had a good underlying musculature and body composition, then added cardio (in the form of sports in my case).

    Lots of ways to win, but I think that's generally a more efficient one, and more rewarding for most people.

    [Edit: Note: My non-professional opinion is that a lot of trainers and nutritionists are interested in very general kinds of health and as such they tend to be more interested in making people "normal" than "exceptional". Personally, I think more people are motivated by shooting high than shooting for the norm.]
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:02 PM GMT
    Everybody has something on their body that they'd like to fix. EVERYBODY. And usually the thing that bothers you is 10x less noticeable to others. It could be fat, freckless, moles, hair, lack of hair, birthmark, veins and on and on.

    Not to go Dr. Phil on ya but have you gone to a therapist? Like a 3rd party person that can be impartial? Just reading your post, it seems like there could be more to this. Your stretch marks are somewhat noticable but people don't really care about that. Once you get to your ideal body image (you'll have to figure that out for yourself) you'll feel MUCH better about your body and accept what it is. Keep up the good work and good luck!
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:09 PM GMT
    You're not the only one with annoying belly stretch marks icon_redface.gif But I do think there are worst things, and it seems like guys don't mind them that much, as compared to other things (bad personality, smells, a third eye).
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    Jan 21, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    I've lost weight and I have them. A few guys have asked what they are when we're in bed and I just reply "from when I was a fat bastard". We all have flaws when we're naked, some of us are just more aware of ours icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 22, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Paleolithic diet would fix the burn fat build muscle thing. Trust your body it can take care of itself given half a chance.