Proposed U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL resolution to reaffirm the ILLEGALITY of JEWISH SETTLEMENTS in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

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    Jan 21, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    Some four dozen former top US diplomats and prominent policy analyst are urging President Barack Obama not to veto a proposed UN SECURITY COUNCIL resolution that is expected to reaffirm the illegality of JEWISH SETTLEMENTS IN THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES.

    In a letter released here Wednesday, former US Ambassodors to Isreal as well as other former senior Middle East policy makers, warned that "AMERICAS CREDIBILITY" in the region will be at stake when the resolution is finally presented for a vote, probably sometime next month.

    "At this critical juncture, how the US chooses to cast its vote on a settlements resoclution will have a defining effect on our standing as boker in Middle East peace" "The impact of this vote will be felt well beyond the arena of Israeli/Palestinian deal making - our seriousness as a guarantor of international Law and International legitimacy is at stake"

    "America's credibility in a crucial region of the world is on the line - a region in which hundreds of thousands of our troups are deployed---This vote is an American National Security interest vote par excellence. We urge you to do the right thing" the letter concluded. and had featured signers from both Democratic and Republican administrations, former career foreign service and intelligence officers. This comes after the recent failure to persuade the Israeli Government to agree to a three month parital moratorium on settlement activity on the West Bank
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    Jan 21, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
    the Obama "Administration had hoped that Israels agreement - in exchange for billions of dollars worth of new warplanes, various security guarantees, and a pledge to veto any Security Council resolution critical of Isreal over the next year - would help coax the Palestine Authority President Abbas to revive direct peace talks which broke off --- when the partial settlement moratorium expired"

    "Settlement construction on the West Bank and the demolition of Palestinian property in East Jerusalem have increased sharply since then, according to the United Nations and Israel and Palestinian Human Rights Monitors" "Abbas has refused to return to direct talks unless Israel Freezes all settlement activity in the Occupied Territories, including in East Jerusalem." The Obama ad ministration made a similar demand of Neanyahu last year but was rebuffed in what many analysts here and in the Middle East have Characterized as a major blow to Washingtons Credibility throughout the region."

    "the resolution is part of a larger diplomatic effort that also includes gaining formal international recognition for a Palestinian State based on the Pre-1967 war Green Line."--- significant successes in the effort marked by "Latin American States, Led by Brazil, have granted such recognition, while Key members of the European Unions have upgraded their dipolmatic relations with the PA or are considering doing so.

    Story can be found on the CommonDreams.org site, dated Jan. 20, 2011, under article title: Greybeards Urge US not to Veto UN AntiSettlement Resolution

    Personlly I think its about time the US show's some balls and refuses to Veto this resolution no matter the pressure of anti semitism from the AIPAC Israeli Lobby. We are supplying them with billions per year, and its time they get the point that they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

    What do you think ?? Should Obama refuse to Veto the resolution affirming the Illigality of the settlements in the occupied territories ? Should he cave again to the Israeli Lobby ? I'm afraid if he does, our legitimacy will blown and we would appear as totally one sided.
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    Jan 22, 2011 1:16 AM GMT
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    This picture doesn't really conveigh a message to me, does this picture mean that because some groups in palestine are vehemently against the settlements and wear masks, that settlements should continue.
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    Jan 23, 2011 1:23 AM GMT
    Pouncer saidThanks for the article RLD. I think what JB82 was getting at were the Hitler salutes. While those people are a clear minority of the population of Gaza - extremist Hamas loyalists likely hardened by war - the rational among us will understand that oppressed people often seek escapism (and justice) in dark avenues.

    Every year, the UN General assembly votes on the motion “Peaceful Settlement of the Question of Palestine”. It outlines the relevant principles: the inadmissibility of acquiring land by war, the illegality of settlements in the occupied territories including East Jerusalem, the obligation by Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders, and the vitality of the Palestinian refugee question to be resolved in conformity with UN resolution 194 and the 'right of return'. UN votes from 1985 (the motion's inception) to 2010 always see well over 100 countries say yes, and Israel, the US, and a few other countries (usually a few South Sea atolls - Nauru, Tuvalu, Micronesia etc.) say no. The vote taken last month (2010) was 165 in favour to 7 against. This is ever the case.




    Then these continued votes even though very few in their favor, basicly enable and embolden the few Zionist Fanatic settlement promoters (the Israeli Government), to just keep right on breaking all the rules with impunity. But this time the upcoming resolution seems to have a huge backing, I'm thinking one of the reasons is because the EU has become increasingly disgusted with the fanatics blatant abuse of Palestinian Human Rights, while trying to claim being the victim, (which isn't selling well anymore)

    Do you or anyone else have any information about the "gifts", US subsidies and the likes the US has given this Coalition of 7 country's ? How much money from the US is transferred per country ? We cannot say the word bribe here can we ?? LOL !!! GEEDAMN this is as Pathetic as Bush's bribes to the "coalition" of country's to vote with him on going to war and assisting in the war against Iraq.

    The sad thing is that the US Sheeples get less of this news than the masses from the rest of the worlds country's. Of course the Media in other country's aren't as influenced by AIPAC as our US media is, no pun intended of course !!!!! (they would never try to influence anyone now would they?) LOL !!!
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    Jan 25, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
    Pouncer saidI'm not sure RLD. But I'm sure a show of solidarity with the US and Israel during an annual UN ritual which both countries have come to viscerally despise has its perks. Remember the (I think rather lame) excuse that Zionists give when some Americans ask what Israel has done, or ever does, to benefit America in the world? "They vote with us on all the major issues at the UN" is the standard reply.



    It appears to me that our glaringly obvious preferential treatment of Israel has been totally seen through, it used to be considered 'veiled' but no more !!! As for costs to us in return for our bending over to take it in the ass ?? Count the costs of the wars, terrorism and lets be sure to work harder to make a few more enemies in the Middle East. We're an F'n joke to most of the world.





    Isn't it amazing that when Barack Obama last year affected the largest ever arms sale in US history (he's an anti-war president remember) to you guessed it - Saudi Arabia, he had to ask Israel's 'permission' in advance?! (The package was $67 billion, since you ask).

    Why all this respectful American tiptoeing and unreserved deference to what is essentially a client state?




    Pouncer or anyone else!!!! Is there information available to figure out how much in Military aide, gifts of Military Equipment and supplies/training to Isreal coming from the USA since this Nation Building project with Isreal started ??
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    Jan 25, 2011 2:06 AM GMT
    Pouncer saidAmerican taxpayers, even with their homes currently being foreclosed and their jobs being outsourced, gift Israel with a generous $7 million each year.

    The following may be helpful:
    http://www.slate.com/id/2260231/

    But I'm afraid I erred slightly in one of the details of my previous post. Obama did not twice offer Netanyahu "million of dollars" as I incorrectly stated above, but $3 billion.




    That was quite a slap in the face of the US for them ZIONISTS to turn that much down for just a few months laying off building in the Settlements wasn't it. Arrogant SOB's aren't they !!!!

    God we must look fools to the EU, and yet we keep trotting back begging them, all the while handing them money, putting up with their AIPAC influence here in the states in our Government and of course dealing with the terrorism this one sided rediculous relationship brings about. Makes it look like a dog being wagged by its tail.
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    Jan 25, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
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    That kind of says it all right there.

    Sorry to those of you apologists for Palestinian terror, but seeing as how Iran and Syria have long funnelled weapons and cash to Palestinian terror groups, and seeing as how Israel is the only true democracy of those four jurisdictions, I don't see them as the problem.

    The Palestinians have no one but Hamas to thank for their current problems...had Hamas behaved itself when Kadima freed Gaza from Israeli occupation, it's entirely possible that Kadima would've beat out Likud in the elections that followed.

    Now, Netanyahu (sp?) doesn't really give a crap about the Palestinians, or what they think about what he's doing...for if he gives on anything the way Kadima did, he'll share their fate!

    That's the way a Democracy works...unless your name is Bashir Assad, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Khaled Mashal.

    And once again...something FAR more relevant to most of us: Israel protects OUR rights, and even recognizes marriages that occur in jurisdictions where marriage is still legal.

    Iran murders it's gays! And as for Syria and Gaza (Hamas controlled)...they'll throw us in prison...no doubt IF we're lucky!

    But yeah, let's pile on to Israel...they're the bad guys in the world!
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
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    That kind of says it all right there.

    Sorry to those of you apologists for Palestinian terror, but seeing as how Iran and Syria have long funnelled weapons and cash to Palestinian terror groups, and seeing as how Israel is the only true democracy of those four jurisdictions, I don't see them as the problem.

    The Palestinians have no one but Hamas to thank for their current problems...had Hamas behaved itself when Kadima freed Gaza from Israeli occupation, it's entirely possible that Kadima would've beat out Likud in the elections that followed.

    Now, Netanyahu (sp?) doesn't really give a crap about the Palestinians, or what they think about what he's doing...for if he gives on anything the way Kadima did, he'll share their fate!

    That's the way a Democracy works...unless your name is Bashir Assad, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Khaled Mashal.

    And once again...something FAR more relevant to most of us: Israel protects OUR rights, and even recognizes marriages that occur in jurisdictions where marriage is still legal.

    Iran murders it's gays! And as for Syria and Gaza (Hamas controlled)...they'll throw us in prison...no doubt IF we're lucky!

    But yeah, let's pile on to Israel...they're the bad guys in the world![/quote





    The USA and Israel set up and pushed Hamas to the forefront, its come back to bite them hasn't it. !!!!


    A Democracy doesn't set up concentration camp type walls and barriers to keep in several million people, Its been documented by non partison world organizaionts that the Palestinians inside were in desperate need, a floatilla was sent with good, A Democracy doesn't attack such a floatilla, it would have never been needed if Democratic methods had been used. An American Citizen of Middle Eastern blood was shot to death while 'down' and harmless, all of this has been well documented yet covered up by your ZIONIST FANATICS as you call that Democratic Israel.

    I'll no apologize for standing with a people the Palestinians who are being abused and unfair delt with on so damn many levels that yes some get pissed enough to lob some rockets into Israel. I dare say if the settlements on stolen land were to stop and the ZIONIST FANATICS weren't wanting everything their way, then when they get it, they want more, and all this while on the US TIT, making everything so damned unfair that its mindboggling how they (the palestinians) keep any patience or hope of peace with the FANATICS.

    The whole world is turning against the the ZIONIST FANATICS who insist on haveing their cake, eating it too, then want more and more and more, break the treaties, the US veto's resolutions to stop them and it just goes on and on. The Fanatics are fucking things up for the good and decent liberal/progressive jewish people who are also maddened by whats going on but even though not to blame end up hated because the Fanatics are ruining things for Isreal, even the blind US Sheeple are starting see how unfair the Palestinians have been treated. where Palestinians have killed ten, the ZIONIST FANATICS have killed thousands, but its kept quiet here in the US.

    Your good ZIONIST FANATIC buddy Ceaserea4, is a prime example of just how it is with the leadership of Isreal under similar Fanatics, its always got to be only their way, and they are always right come hell or high water, facts proving their errors never stand in the way of their propaganda to make them look right anyway, all this bringing it to the point that the only way to deal with them is to call them out time and time again and cut them off.


    Are you a ZIONIST FANATIC TOO ??? If so go live in one of your fanatic settlements where you fanatics ran off the Palestinians from their homes, Hitler did that to you in Europe, did you like it ??? Hell no you didn't, so don't do it to the Palestinians and tell me that Abraham said it's your land 2000 years ago so its OK and expect me to believe you. And Bigod I'm not apologizing for Palestinian wrongful acts. But I'm going to tell you this, someone come take my family land and I'll be throwing some bombs, and they'd better have a better reason than that some damned old bible fart said it belongs to them rather than to me.
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    Jan 25, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    realifedad said yet covered up by your ZIONIST FANATICS


    realifedad saidI dare say if the settlements on stolen land were to stop and the ZIONIST FANATICS weren't wanting everything their way


    realifedad saidThe whole world is turning against the the ZIONIST FANATICS who insist on haveing their cake


    realifedad saidthe ZIONIST FANATICS have killed thousands, but its kept quiet here in the US.


    realifedad saidYour good ZIONIST FANATIC buddy Ceaserea4, is a prime example of


    realifedad saidAre you a ZIONIST FANATIC TOO ???


    Um......ZIONIST-FANATIC-IN-ALL-CAPS-OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE-MUCH?icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 25, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
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    realifedad said yet covered up by your ZIONIST FANATICS


    realifedad saidI dare say if the settlements on stolen land were to stop and the ZIONIST FANATICS weren't wanting everything their way


    realifedad saidThe whole world is turning against the the ZIONIST FANATICS who insist on haveing their cake


    realifedad saidthe ZIONIST FANATICS have killed thousands, but its kept quiet here in the US.


    realifedad saidYour good ZIONIST FANATIC buddy Ceaserea4, is a prime example of


    realifedad saidAre you a ZIONIST FANATIC TOO ???


    Um......ZIONIST-FANATIC-IN-ALL-CAPS-OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVE-MUCH?icon_eek.gif



    GET OVER IT AND DON'T DEFEND ZIONIST FANATICS around me or I'll put ZIONIST FANATICS in CAPS !!!!
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    Jan 25, 2011 9:13 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidGreat thread realifedad


    Jake, you should learn something from realifedad.


    oh ok....SXYDRKHAIR IS A ZIONIST FANATIC!!!!!!!

    How was that?
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    Jan 26, 2011 2:17 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    sxydrkhair saidGreat thread realifedad


    Jake, you should learn something from realifedad.


    oh ok....SXYDRKHAIR IS A ZIONIST FANATIC!!!!!!!

    How was that?



    LOL !!!!!



    I recently read that Jakes ZIONIST FANATICS are pushing hard to go farward with the illegal settlements the Israeli Government already started, but that they are also pushing to get more started. In fact this group of ZIONIST FANATICS (or should I use the term far right factions, na !!! Jake understands the term ZIONIST FANATICS better) are alienating the majority of Israeli's who are liberal leaning and progressive, this group are beginning to see them as the problem, not the answer to lasting peace.

    Its starting to appear that the general public in Israel are catching on to the fact that the FANATICS are causing their country a lot of dislike and disfavor the world over. They want to see some give and take rather than the FANATICS our way or no way tactics. They're realizing that the FANATICS are costing them dearly in the worlds eyes, and that they connot be an island to itself relying only on the US favor, they need to be in good 'favor' with most of their neighbors too.

    Its refreshing to know that the general population of Israel is much more open to give and take for the sake of peace. Now if they could chase off the ZIONIST FANATICS who seem hell bent on taking all of Jerusalem for themselves and their settlements, things might start looking up for everyone. Something has got to give, because this administration has proven to be the most intransigent of several previous administrations.

    This ZIONIST FANATICISM though is a mixed blessing in that, they are bringing about world pressure over their intransigence, which is catching the attention of the average Isreali, and could bring an end to their popularity and therefore bring about more liberalism and the downfall of the intransigent ZIONIST FANATICS. That would be a great day for all in the Middle east.