A Gay Agenda for Everyone

  • metta

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    Jan 23, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    A Gay Agenda for Everyone

    by Dan Savage

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    Gay Americans are eventually going to win on marriage just like we won on military service, the president should tell Congress, so why not save everyone on both sides of the debate a lot of time, trouble and money by approving the entire gay rights agenda? Send the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the Student Non-Discrimination Act, the Uniting American Families Act and the repeal of the odious Defense of Marriage Act to his desk for his signature.

    He can assure the lawmakers that, yes, there’s something in it for Americans who disapprove of homosexuality too.

    Social conservatives long to raise their children in a country where they don’t have to hear about homosexuality every time they turn on the news. I’d like raise my son in a country like that too. And guess what? In countries like Canada — where the fight over gay rights is essentially over, where there is gay marriage, open military service and employment protections — homosexuality hardly ever makes the front pages of newspapers. There’s nothing much to report.

    Conservatives can’t get rid of us, but they can hear less from and about us. They just have to bend toward justice.
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    Jan 26, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where the majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.
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    Jan 26, 2011 5:12 AM GMT
    Majority rule is fine on certain issues, but not when it comes to matters of social discrimination.
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    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.
    You dont fucking live here.. you have no say.. be quiet!
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    Jan 26, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


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    Jan 26, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
    But if activists in America want to see advancement, they could take a lesson out of the Mormons book, on how to succeed. So much of today's wholesome American family is based on the Mormons; thats the impact they have had.

    In the words of JFK:

    "Let us remember that the Mormons a Century ago were a persecuted and prosecuted minority, victims of murder.

    While today, in a short space of 100 years, their faith and works are known and respected the world around, and their voice heard in the highest councils of America.

    The Mormons succeeded, so America succeeded....."

    I feel that members of the Tea Party want to see America succeed again, and they will have the same force and impacted as the Mormons have had.

    yet the gay activists don't even really have a voice yet. They just demand give us what we want. Yet if they want to succeed as the Mormons have, they will need to make changes, and compromises too. They will have too start to set an example other then the ones the gay parades set. They need to step up a lot, as well look back at all the damage they have done too.
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    Jan 26, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie said Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move?
    Hey pervert.. Ever read this? It applies in THIS country (of which you are not a citizen of)
    The 14th amendment of the US Constitution
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Notice the word "ALL" and "ANY"? whats the definition of "ALL" and "ANY"? is it the same in Austrailian?
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    Jan 26, 2011 5:19 AM GMT
    needleninja said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


    trollin. :3


    No trolling. It's nothing more than I as pure homosexual, not 100% supporting the gay agenda, thats all. But if it helps you to deal with it to dismiss one as a troll, then so be it.

    But my sexuality does not define one as a whole. Nor do all of us think or vote the same either, nor do we all have the same wants or political agenda.

    When I vote. I put my country first, and not myself.
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    Jan 26, 2011 5:21 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidBut if activists in America want to see advancement, they could take a lesson out of the Mormons book, on how to succeed. So much of today's wholesome American family is based on the Mormons; thats the impact they have had.

    In the words of JFK.

    Let us remember that the Mormons a Century ago were a persecuted and prosecuted minority, victims of murder.

    While today, in a short space of 100 years, their faith and works are known and respected the world around, and their voice heard in the highest councils of America.

    The Mormons succeeded, so America succeeded.....

    I feel that members of the Tea Party want to see America succeed again, and they will have the same force and impacted as the Mormons have had.

    yet the gay activists don't even really have a voice yet. They just demand give us what we want. Yet if they want to succeed as the Mormons have, they will need to make changes, and compromises too. They will have too start to set an example other then the ones the gay parades set. They need to step up a lot.


    of course we need to step up, in fact i want the whole gay population to actully charge into washington demanding the president to give us the equal rights, that also includes ppl of other races, and ppl who have aids (they are discrimanted too).

    plus i dont think mormons have made very sucess, i mean yeah we have a tv show now, but if you look under the legal issue in this page on this one show, youll be surprised: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Wives

    P.S. im actully disturbed by this show, i only learned from sociology class.
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    Jan 26, 2011 5:26 AM GMT
    needleninja said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


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    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


    And some of us believe in a kind of democracy with protections from tyranny of the majority. Along with separations of power, one of these protections is that we are not a pure democracy in the U.S where everything is decided by a vote of the people through ballot initiatives and referendums and town halls. We elect people who in turn vote on the most policy matters for for us. Some even call us a republic and not a democracy.

    Really though, I am probably just wasting my time even discussing this one someone who continually show such ignorance.

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    Jan 26, 2011 5:30 AM GMT
    HeartRobb said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


    And some of us believe in a kind of democracy with protections from tyranny of the majority. Along with separations of power, one of these protections is that we are not a pure democracy in the U.S where everything is decided by a vote of the people through ballot initiatives and referendums and town halls. We elect people who in turn vote on the most policy matters for for us. Some even call us a republic and not a democracy.

    Really though, I am probably just wasting my time even discussing this one someone who continually show such ignorance.



    thank god someone who understands what ive been saying.
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    Jan 26, 2011 6:17 AM GMT
    The sound of wet cats screaming, because another does not behold the same false belief system of the left. We are not one, nor all think or vote the same.
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    Jan 26, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidThe sound of wet cats screaming, because another does not behold the same false belief system of the left. We are not one, nor all think or vote the same.



    Such a dumb ass. You have it wrong. It's not a matter of being left or right, conservative or liberal, Democrat or Republican- the U.S. is not a pure democracy like you seem to think it is. And you keep on making that error in so many threads. It's a federal constitutional republic/representative democracy. Your country is not a pure democracy, either. "So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple"
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    Jan 26, 2011 6:43 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie said
    needleninja said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


    trollin. :3


    No trolling. It's nothing more than I as pure homosexual, not 100% supporting the gay agenda, thats all. But if it helps you to deal with it to dismiss one as a troll, then so be it.

    But my sexuality does not define one as a whole. Nor do all of us think or vote the same either, nor do we all have the same wants or political agenda.

    When I vote. I put my country first, and not myself.


    Define the "gay agendum," then there may be some rational basis for discussion.
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    Jan 26, 2011 8:05 AM GMT
    Someone upthread wrote:(the United States are a) federal constitutional republic/representative...


    A more accurate statement would be that the United States are a federal constitutional representative republic.

    Though we have elements of democracy, we are really a democracy in any true sense of the word at the federal level.

    Somebody else said that we were a "democratic republic", but that terminology or variants of it are usually employed by socialist or communist regimes, such as the former "German Democratic Republic" (Deutsche Demokratische Republik - East Germany) or the "Democratic People's Republic of North Korea".
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    Jan 26, 2011 8:38 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidDefine the "gay agendum," then there may be some rational basis for discussion.




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    TropicalMark said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.
    You dont fucking live here.. you have no say.. be quiet!

    QFT
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    FRE0 said
    True_Blue_Aussie said
    needleninja said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.


    trollin. :3


    No trolling. It's nothing more than I as pure homosexual, not 100% supporting the gay agenda, thats all. But if it helps you to deal with it to dismiss one as a troll, then so be it.

    But my sexuality does not define one as a whole. Nor do all of us think or vote the same either, nor do we all have the same wants or political agenda.

    When I vote. I put my country first, and not myself.


    Define the "gay agendum," then there may be some rational basis for discussion.

    Agendum?!?! ... icon_eek.gif ... Civilization as we know it is over! ... When people can't distinguish the feminine, nominative singular from the Neuter, nominative plural, it's all over! Over, I say!
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    Jan 26, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    Would that it were that easy, and Americans - particularly the Great Greasy Middle (the bulk of Independent voters as well as those in the somewhat more socially conservative skewing "flyover country") a tad more reasonable.

    And if we could do it without requiring nasty "anti hate speech" laws and "hate speech tribunals" of the sort that Canada is rumoured to have in order to force politically correct speech at all times.
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    Jan 26, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidThe sound of wet cats screaming, because another does not behold the same false belief system of the left. We are not one, nor all think or vote the same.


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    Jan 26, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidThe sound of wet cats screaming, because another does not behold the same false belief system of the left. We are not one, nor all think or vote the same.


    I hope a dingo eats your baby.
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    TropicalMark said
    True_Blue_Aussie saidicon_rolleyes.gif Sorry I as a pure homosexual one of the real gays do not 100% support the gay agenda. People who do support it 100% are not putting their country first, but themselves. Why should America change to suit a few, when they can move? I belive in democracy where ther majority rule, and not being bullied by a minority, because thats dictatorship.

    So if you don't like it the way it is, then leave; it's that simple.




    You dont fucking live here.. you have no say.. be quiet!



    Do you also extend that sentiment to "meninlove" - the two Canadians who are constantly cheerleading for the American Democrats?


    You mean the meninlove that never tell Americans to pack up and get out of the U.S. if they don't like the way it is, unlike TBA that seems to do this continually?