Will and Grace sucks? What's your opinion

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    Jan 23, 2011 7:41 AM GMT
    I had just re-watched Will and Grace a few months ago. Yes, the entire series on DVD. I never realized this while the show was still around, but the characters there are shallowest, most conceited human beings. It made me feel ashamed being a fan of the show before it ended.

    What's your opinion?
  • DCEric

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    Jan 23, 2011 1:25 PM GMT
    Yeah, it was almost as bad as Seinfeld.
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    Jan 23, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    I loved Will & Grace. There were tons of episodes that just made me laugh my ass off.

    P.S. dont over analyze a comedy show.
  • Glorfindel

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    Jan 23, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    Never watched it. From all the commercials and clips I've seen, it didn't strike me as funny or something that I was interested in watching.
  • DCEric

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    Jan 23, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra saidP.S. dont over analyze a comedy show.


    There are/were some shows that were a bit deeper. All in the Family comes to mind.
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    Jan 23, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    It's a sitcom. What are you expecting, The Tudors? icon_rolleyes.gificon_surprised.gif
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    Jan 23, 2011 1:40 PM GMT
    DCEric said
    AvadaKedavra saidP.S. dont over analyze a comedy show.


    There are/were some shows that were a bit deeper. All in the Family comes to mind.


    I just googled that show. 1971-1979... i wasn't even conceived when it was on air. comedy has changed significantly since then i.e. family guy, south park, the office. if you take those show seriously you will be pissed off at the world.
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    Jan 23, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    DCEric said
    AvadaKedavra saidP.S. dont over analyze a comedy show.


    There are/were some shows that were a bit deeper. All in the Family comes to mind.


    I just googled that show. 1971-1979... i wasn't even conceived when it was on air. comedy has changed significantly since then i.e. family guy, south park, the office. if you take those show seriously you will be pissed off at the world.


    So you haven't seen a single episode? The story lines in Cheers were more interesting. Still too early? Outsourced. (Although it helps that I have a lot of connections to India.) I'm just saying that in Will and Grace, the characters were very shallow, and never learned, never grew. They were the same in the last episode, as they were in the first. Seinfeld and Two and a Half Men fit into this category of comedy. Family Guy and South Park are similarly painful, but The Office is better in this regard.
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    Jan 23, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    TerraFirma saidIt's a sitcom. What are you expecting, The Tudors? icon_rolleyes.gificon_surprised.gif


    'The Tudors' is probably a poor analogy, as it is about as serious and accurate a reflection of Tudor history as 'Carry On Henry'. But I agree, Will & Grace was not meant to be a withering critique of the gay man in modern society. It was just a comedy show, and not a bad one at that.
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    Jan 23, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    DCEric said
    AvadaKedavra said
    DCEric said
    AvadaKedavra saidP.S. dont over analyze a comedy show.


    There are/were some shows that were a bit deeper. All in the Family comes to mind.


    I just googled that show. 1971-1979... i wasn't even conceived when it was on air. comedy has changed significantly since then i.e. family guy, south park, the office. if you take those show seriously you will be pissed off at the world.


    So you haven't seen a single episode? The story lines in Cheers were more interesting. Still too early? Outsourced. (Although it helps that I have a lot of connections to India.) I'm just saying that in Will and Grace, the characters were very shallow, and never learned, never grew. They were the same in the last episode, as they were in the first. Seinfeld and Two and a Half Men fit into this category of comedy. Family Guy and South Park are similarly painful, but The Office is better in this regard.


    I have fragmented memories of seeing All in the Family and Cheers appear on TV either through channel surfing or forgetting to change the channel after the previous show ended but I don't think I ever payed attention to an entire episode. I can't say that these shows were not deep since I've never seen an episode but I do know that all the shows comedy sitcoms I've seen are meant to be taken lightly: family guy, south park, outsourced, the office, modern family, and most of the comedy sitcoms out there. When I watch these shows I just laugh. They do not alter my perception of the world at all.
  • sliyah

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    Jan 23, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
    will & grace was a great show..if you dont like,its ok,but stop hating
    .. it was a comedy , and they did their job real good !
    i know ther is differenst type of humour & will & grace wasnt perfect but the rating were great , and i know alot of people who never watched it when it was on air,but they are in love with it now on dvd ..
    i think you are just not into it anymore..
  • TrentGrad

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    Jan 23, 2011 2:41 PM GMT
    paperclips_and_staples saidI had just re-watched Will and Grace a few months ago. Yes, the entire series on DVD. I never realized this while the show was still around, but the characters there are shallowest, most conceited human beings. It made me feel ashamed being a fan of the show before it ended.

    What's your opinion?


    I never watched it because I didn't find it even slightly interesting.

    I also never watched Seinfeld because, well, I considered it stupid beyond reason. I realize that's a minority opinion, but still...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 23, 2011 2:41 PM GMT
    "WILL & GRACE" was and still is one of my all-time favorite TV sitcoms. The characters were perfectly written for the show, and "Karen " and "Jack" together were always hilarious. I miss that show.


    Some favorite scenes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs0ZzcOjevg&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GROC8XjAg40

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ8Q8Ozu5dM&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnSJxyvaxww&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vOFfcdUh_0&feature=related
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    Jan 23, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    DCEric said
    AvadaKedavra said
    DCEric said
    AvadaKedavra saidP.S. dont over analyze a comedy show.


    There are/were some shows that were a bit deeper. All in the Family comes to mind.


    I just googled that show. 1971-1979... i wasn't even conceived when it was on air. comedy has changed significantly since then i.e. family guy, south park, the office. if you take those show seriously you will be pissed off at the world.


    So you haven't seen a single episode? The story lines in Cheers were more interesting. Still too early? Outsourced. (Although it helps that I have a lot of connections to India.) I'm just saying that in Will and Grace, the characters were very shallow, and never learned, never grew. They were the same in the last episode, as they were in the first. Seinfeld and Two and a Half Men fit into this category of comedy. Family Guy and South Park are similarly painful, but The Office is better in this regard.


    I have fragmented memories of seeing All in the Family and Cheers appear on TV either through channel surfing or forgetting to change the channel after the previous show ended but I don't think I ever payed attention to an entire episode. I can't say that these shows were not deep since I've never seen an episode but I do know that all the shows comedy sitcoms I've seen are meant to be taken lightly: family guy, south park, outsourced, the office, modern family, and most of the comedy sitcoms out there. When I watch these shows I just laugh. They do not alter my perception of the world at all.


    Maybe you guys haven't realized, but there's like......a thousand channels now. If you don't like a show, change the channel, or watch it in spanish.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jan 23, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidIt reminds me of malicious drag queen bullshit.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1344528/

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  • rnch

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    Jan 23, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]TrentGrad said ...I also never watched Seinfeld because, well, I considered it stupid beyond reason. I realize that's a minority opinion, but still...[/quote]

    i watched a few episodes, found it too much "New York" orientated for this southern boy, written by writers who believed there was no intelligent life below manhattan island. icon_rolleyes.gif

    it seemed like the characters on this show, although they were "friends", didn't seem to really like each other all that much icon_question.gif
  • Hammer89

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    Jan 23, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    I love Will and Grace! Yes, at second glance it's shallow, but first it is a COMEDY! I love it because it's the show that says what a lot of people usually think.

    PS: I love Karen
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    Jan 23, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    It's one of those shows that I can see once and enjoy but not for a second time.
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    Jan 23, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    I just googled that show. 1971-1979... i wasn't even conceived when it was on air. comedy has changed significantly since then


    Yes... it's getting dumber and dumber with each passing year.
    You can actually notice it on show like Will & Grace- The higher Karen's voice got- the more IQ points the whole cast lost.
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    Jan 23, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    Megan Mullally made that show funny. The rest of the characters where stereotyped to hell.

    Still stuff like that being in mainstream media is always good for peoples perception of gay people because it doesn't give a negative picture overall, Like Family Matters in the 90s, not every African American family acts like that but the fact that the show is in the media goes to desensitize people to different cultural niches thus making them a normal viewable fixture, people arnt as afraid of what they know.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 23, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    racerx76 saidI love Will and Grace! Yes, at second glance it's shallow, but first it is a COMEDY!



    Part of what made "WILL & GRACE" so funny was the shallowness of the characters. That was kind of the point -- especially for "Karen" and "Jack"
  • rnch

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    Jan 23, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]CuriousJockAZ said ...Part of what made "WILL & GRACE" so funny was the shallowness of the characters. That was kind of the point -- especially for "Karen" and "Jack"[/quote]

    agree! although a "guilty pleasure", laughing at these two characters was like laughing at the worst traits of your own personality icon_idea.gif
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    Jan 23, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
    Made me laugh.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 23, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    rnch saidlaughing at these two characters was like laughing at the worst traits of your own personality icon_idea.gif



    EXACTLY!!! icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 23, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    I always loved Will and Grace. Gave me some great laughs and was sad to see it go.