Scalia to address close-door Tea Party caucus meeting

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    Jan 24, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
    What do you think about this? Personally, I think it at least creates the appearance of a conflict for Scalia.

    PoliticoTea time for Scalia
    By: Jennifer Epstein
    January 24, 2011 07:24 AM EST

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia will speak on Monday on the separation of powers at an event organized by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and her Tea Party Caucus.

    Though the Tea Party Caucus is a conservative group, Bachmann’s office confirmed to POLITICO that it invited all members of Congress to attend the lecture and that some Democrats indicated plans to be on hand.

    “It is a special privilege to have him address the first of what will be regular seminars featuring constitutional scholars,” Bachmann said of Scalia in December when the event was first announced.

    “In his 24 years of service on the high court, Justice Scalia has distinguished himself by his ‘originalist’ approach to constitutional interpretation,” she added.

    The lecture is going on despite the objections of some observers. The New York Times editorial board called for Scalia to cancel his commitment.

    “By meeting behind closed doors, as is planned, and by presiding over a seminar, implying give and take, the justice would give the impression that he was joining the throng — confirming his new moniker as the ‘Justice from the Tea Party,’” the board wrote in December.

    The Times said it would oppose a similar event featuring a liberal Supreme Court justice and targeted at Democratic members of Congress. “The ideological nature of the group and the seminar would eclipse the justice’s independence and leave him looking rash and biased.”


    Full story here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48043.html

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    Jan 24, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidWhat do you think about this? Personally, I think it at least creates the appearance of a conflict for Scalia.

    I think the conservative Justices feel the political climate is safe enough for them to finally come out of their own kind of closet. Look at what Clarence Thomas' wife has been doing, which makes her look like his political surrogate, that she may very well be.
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    Jan 24, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    Remember when Republicans used to whine about "activist judges ?"
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    Jan 24, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    At lest Rep. Bachmann had the good sense to open the event to all members of Congress.

    I hope that a transcription of Justice Scalia's comments are made available. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 24, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYawn.

    ...all members of Congress to attend the lecture...

    So much for a "close-door Tea Party caucus (only) meeting".... icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's not the point and you know it. Scalia has also spoken at closed door meetings of FreedomWorks founders the Koch brothers. It is completely inappropriate for a Justice to speak behind closed doors to another group of political actors. They are supposed to be impartial.
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidYawn.

    ...all members of Congress to attend the lecture...

    So much for a "close-door Tea Party caucus (only) meeting".... icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's not the point and you know it. Scalia has also spoken at closed door meetings of FreedomWorks founders the Koch brothers. It is completely inappropriate for a Justice to speak behind closed doors to another group of political actors. They are supposed to be impartial.


    I think you're getting a bit paranoid.... careful or you'll end up like "Art_Deco!" icon_confused.gif

    Oh, and your headline is not quite on the level now, is it....


    Anyone who thinks that Obama is a socialist has a lot of nerve calling someone else paranoid. And my headline is accurate. It is a close door meeting sponsored by the Tea Party caucus, is it not?
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    southbeach1500 saidYawn.

    ...all members of Congress to attend the lecture...

    So much for a "close-door Tea Party caucus (only) meeting".... icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's not the point and you know it. Scalia has also spoken at closed door meetings of FreedomWorks founders the Koch brothers. It is completely inappropriate for a Justice to speak behind closed doors to another group of political actors. They are supposed to be impartial.


    I think you're getting a bit paranoid.... careful or you'll end up like "Art_Deco!" icon_confused.gif

    Oh, and your headline is not quite on the level now, is it.... [/quote




    For interests sake; I'd like to note that because of his closed door meeting with the FreedomWorks founders the Koch Bro's Scallia may be in some hot water. Mr Scallia just happened to meet with these guys for a strategy meeting before he sat with the Supreme Court hearing that case 'Citizens United', you know !! the one where their decision opened the flood gates to Corp. money in US Elections. A few groups are requesting the US Dept. of Justice to look into his conflict of interest. This is going to be fun !!!
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    Christian73 saidAnyone who thinks that Obama is a socialist has a lot of nerve calling someone else paranoid. And my headline is accurate. It is a close door meeting sponsored by the Tea Party caucus, is it not?

    Don't sweat it. When SB wants to discredit my own posts, he calls me paranoid, too, and delusional (as he just did in another thread). Lacking facts, he uses falsehoods and character assassination.

    Most regulars here know these discredited tactics and reject them, except for the hardcore cadre of RJ right-wingers.
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    Jan 24, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    I don't remember any of the liberals on here voicing any concerns when Judge Sotomayor, the wise Latina woman,was being confirmed over her being a member of La Raza ( a decidedly left wing group) while she was an appellate court judge.

    Maybe someone can explain how if the meeting is opened up to the whole house, how exactly is it a closed door meeting? This is just more progress/liberal double standard and demagoguery.

    No story here, film at 11.
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    Jan 25, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidYawn.

    ...all members of Congress to attend the lecture...

    So much for a "close-door Tea Party caucus (only) meeting".... icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's not the point and you know it. Scalia has also spoken at closed door meetings of FreedomWorks founders the Koch brothers. It is completely inappropriate for a Justice to speak behind closed doors to another group of political actors. They are supposed to be impartial.


    I think you're getting a bit paranoid.... careful or you'll end up like "Art_Deco!" icon_confused.gif

    Oh, and your headline is not quite on the level now, is it....


    Anyone who thinks that Obama is a socialist has a lot of nerve calling someone else paranoid. And my headline is accurate. It is a close door meeting sponsored by the Tea Party caucus, is it not?


    It is not a meeting of the Tea Party caucus.


    It is "closed-door" in that it is not open to the press or the public. And it is sponsored by the Tea Party caucus and organized by Michelle Bachmann.

    Just because you say something isn't true doesn't change the facts. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    realifedad said[quote][cite]southbeach1500 said[/cite]
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 saidYawn.

    ...all members of Congress to attend the lecture...

    So much for a "close-door Tea Party caucus (only) meeting".... icon_rolleyes.gif


    That's not the point and you know it. Scalia has also spoken at closed door meetings of FreedomWorks founders the Koch brothers. It is completely inappropriate for a Justice to speak behind closed doors to another group of political actors. They are supposed to be impartial.


    I think you're getting a bit paranoid.... careful or you'll end up like "Art_Deco!" icon_confused.gif

    Oh, and your headline is not quite on the level now, is it.... [/quote




    For interests sake; I'd like to note that because of his closed door meeting with the FreedomWorks founders the Koch Bro's Scallia may be in some hot water. Mr Scallia just happened to meet with these guys for a strategy meeting before he sat with the Supreme Court hearing that case 'Citizens United', you know !! the one where their decision opened the flood gates to Corp. money in US Elections. A few groups are requesting the US Dept. of Justice to look into his conflict of interest. This is going to be fun !!!


    Remember, when the right wingers didn't like "activist" judges. Scalia is the embodiment of an activist judge.
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    shybuffguy saidI don't remember any of the liberals on here voicing any concerns when Judge Sotomayor, the wise Latina woman,was being confirmed over her being a member of La Raza ( a decidedly left wing group) while she was an appellate court judge.

    Maybe someone can explain how if the meeting is opened up to the whole house, how exactly is it a closed door meeting? This is just more progress/liberal double standard and demagoguery.

    No story here, film at 11.


    No white woman ever would have made it to that office if they had said the equivalent of what she did.
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    Jan 25, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    I agree 100% about this being a double standard. When the liberals and democrats have closed door meetings, it is perfectly ok. But when conservatives and republicans do the same thing, then libs and dems are both screaming and than demanding a thorough investigation into the event. I see nothing but hypocrisy here. This is why I get very annoyed with the democratic party and the liberals because they have a horrible habit of not practicing what they preach. I say bullshit to that.
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    mocktwinkie saidNo white woman ever would have made it to that office if they had said the equivalent of what she did.

    Ladies & gentlemen -- for your enjoyment & entertainment, a classic example of racism and gender discrimination. Brought to you by the right-wingers here on RealJock.
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    shybuffguy saidI don't remember any of the liberals on here voicing any concerns when Judge Sotomayor, the wise Latina woman,was being confirmed over her being a member of La Raza ( a decidedly left wing group) while she was an appellate court judge.

    Maybe someone can explain how if the meeting is opened up to the whole house, how exactly is it a closed door meeting? This is just more progress/liberal double standard and demagoguery.

    No story here, film at 11.


    No white woman ever would have made it to that office if they had said the equivalent of what she did.


    Said what? The "wise Latina" comment? If so, that was the most overblown hysteria from the right wing ever. In context, it's a very innocent comment.

    To SBG, since I have him blocked, La Raza is not a co-equal branch of government and that's the equivalent of questioning your being a member of HRC. In other words, meaningless.

    And Justice Thomas had a well-documented history of sexual harassment and he got through.
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    southbeach1500 saidMocktwinkie's statement is neither racist nor "discriminatory" based on gender.

    Say that 3 times fast and see if your nose doesn't grow a foot.
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    roadbikeRob saidI agree 100% about this being a double standard. When the liberals and democrats have closed door meetings, it is perfectly ok. But when conservatives and republicans do the same thing, then libs and dems are both screaming and than demanding a thorough investigation into the event. I see nothing but hypocrisy here. This is why I get very annoyed with the democratic party and the liberals because they have a horrible habit of not practicing what they preach. I say bullshit to that.


    And the fact is, ALL members of Congress were invited.

    Something that the liberal hens here just can't wrap their considerable intellect around.


    Please document the last closed door meeting by "liberals" and a Supreme Court Justice, even one open to all members of congress. This is part of the continuing politicization of the Supreme Court, which is supposed to be the last bulwark against tyranny of the majority in our country. I don't give a shit if Scalia is invited by the Blue Dogs, the Progressive Caucus or Libertarians. It's inappropriate for him to participate in this way, particularly when he's already participated in strategy meetings with the Koch brothers.

    What you can't wrap your head around is that some of us have philosophical positions which do not change according to whether it benefits our side.

    And if you're going to refer to us as "hens" than I reserve the right to call you a "douche bag."
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    Jan 25, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
    OPBachmann is using her lecture series to offer instruction for new members of Congress on the Constitution and Declaration of Independence before are “co-opted into the Washington system,” she said.

    Possible future lecturers include Fox News hosts Sean Hannity and Andrew Napolitano, and evangelical minister David Barton.


    I can't wait to hear what such luminaries have to say. Oops, it's closed door.icon_sad.gif
    Let the Democrats set up another series of lectures with Zakaria, Olbermann, Maddow, Yglesias, and Huffington. (maybe not Huffington due to her Greek accent) icon_razz.gif

    How about some basic science and math classes that some representatives and senators desperately need?
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    Jan 25, 2011 1:44 AM GMT
    You gotta be KIDDING me ......................

    Remember that little thing last year called Citizens United?
    You know the thing that says that you can secretly fund any candidate any amount of money you want ..... That little thing?

    Well ....... Charles and David Koch are two of the richest men in America
    and they've been havin these little soirees where ..................................................................................

    the purpose of these meetings is to recruit “captains of industry” to fund the conservative infrastructure of front groups, political campaigns, think tanks and media outlets.

    “Past meetings have featured such notable leaders as Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
    Group Requests DOJ To Investigate Scalia and Thomas Involvement With Koch Corporate Fundraisers
    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/20/scalia-thomas-koch-doj/
    icon_cool.gif

    rushclarencethomasheritage.jpg
    Clarence takes such a nice picture now doesn't he?

    And now here's a nice candid shot from another meeting
    heritagefundraiser.jpg

    Now let's imagine if say a Ruth Bader Ginsberg or a God Forbid a Sonja Mayer went to a democratic fund raiser?
    Can you hear the consternation and the weeping and the whining ... oh the whining

    But it's not just any old fundraiser which is bad enough
    these are fundraisers with the very same people and corporations and money that backed and benefited from the Citizens United case
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    Yup. The sad part is that SB and Riddler et al seem to believe that these guys are actual "libertarians" instead of vulture capitalists.

    In fact, FreedomWorks (controlled by Koch Brothers) put out an ad today attacking GE's Immelt for taking bailout money and letting Keith Olbermann "attack patriotic Tea Baggers".

    Now, what other reason (oil) could the Koch brothers (oil) have for attacking GE (oil) when its diving into green technology (oil)? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    GQjock saidYou gotta be KIDDING me ......................

    Remember that little thing last year called Citizens United?
    You know the thing that says that you can secretly fund any candidate any amount of money you want ..... That little thing?

    Well ....... Charles and David Koch are two of the richest men in America
    and they've been havin these little soirees where ..................................................................................

    the purpose of these meetings is to recruit “captains of industry” to fund the conservative infrastructure of front groups, political campaigns, think tanks and media outlets.

    “Past meetings have featured such notable leaders as Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
    Group Requests DOJ To Investigate Scalia and Thomas Involvement With Koch Corporate Fundraisers
    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/20/scalia-thomas-koch-doj/
    icon_cool.gif

    rushclarencethomasheritage.jpg
    Clarence takes such a nice picture now doesn't he?

    And now here's a nice candid shot from another meeting
    heritagefundraiser.jpg

    Now let's imagine if say a Ruth Bader Ginsberg or a God Forbid a Sonja Mayer went to a democratic fund raiser?
    Can you hear the consternation and the weeping and the whining ... oh the whining

    But it's not just any old fundraiser which is bad enough
    these are fundraisers with the very same people and corporations and money that backed and benefited from the Citizens United case




    Question is this ???? Will this administration have the guts, along with this administrations US Dept. of Justice to actually investigate the actions of Scallie and Thomas in attending Republican Strategy meetings like this with the Koch Bro's, then within weeks rule on Citizens United ? I have no more faith that this will be looked into with vigor than I do that you or I could do it.

    Yet this is the same party that have gone on and on for years about Activist Judges, Have you heard Obama or anyone from his Administration, the Dem. Senators, Congressmen speaking out about this ?? We need to find a lot of sets of 'brass balls' and hand them out on the Dem side of the isle !!!! This is why I don't have any faith in either side, they are all bought and paid for by the Corps., We have a few Weiners, Sanders, Kucinich, and so on, but very very few not in the loop, its totally disgusting !!!
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    Jan 25, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    GQjock saidYou gotta be KIDDING me ......................


    Yet this is the same party that have gone on and on for years about Activist Judges, Have you heard Obama or anyone from his Administration, the Dem. Senators, Congressmen speaking out about this ?? We need to find a lot of sets of 'brass balls' and hand them out on the Dem side of the isle !!!! This is why I don't have any faith in either side, they are all bought and paid for by the Corps., We have a few Weiners, Sanders, Kucinich, and so on, but very very few not in the loop, its totally disgusting !!!




    Silly boy. Kucinich sees spaceships too.


    Should we investigate Justice Breyer too?


    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/24/scalia.tea.party/index.html

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREJustice Stephen Breyer in the past week addressed a private bipartisan retreat for House Judiciary Committee members. The justice had been chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1979 to 1980 under then-Chairman Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts.



    believe what you want but this happens all the time.

    I tend to believe they are professionals.

    See I disagree with Breyer, but im honest enough to look at the whole picture before I jump to scream outrage@!

    And by the way the NY times editorial board is serially calling outrage on alot of things. News Flash.... "no one reads your paper anymore"

    No one elected them, let the justice department and the Supreme Court Bar association figure out what ethics entail.


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    musclmed said
    realifedad said
    GQjock saidYou gotta be KIDDING me ......................


    Yet this is the same party that have gone on and on for years about Activist Judges, Have you heard Obama or anyone from his Administration, the Dem. Senators, Congressmen speaking out about this ?? We need to find a lot of sets of 'brass balls' and hand them out on the Dem side of the isle !!!! This is why I don't have any faith in either side, they are all bought and paid for by the Corps., We have a few Weiners, Sanders, Kucinich, and so on, but very very few not in the loop, its totally disgusting !!!




    Silly boy. Kucinich sees spaceships too.


    Should we investigate Justice Breyer too?


    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/24/scalia.tea.party/index.html

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREJustice Stephen Breyer in the past week addressed a private bipartisan retreat for House Judiciary Committee members. The justice had been chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1979 to 1980 under then-Chairman Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts.



    believe what you want but this happens all the time.

    I tend to believe they are professionals.

    See I disagree with Breyer, but im honest enough to look at the whole picture before I jump to scream outrage@!

    And by the way the NY times editorial board is serially calling outrage on alot of things. News Flash.... "no one reads your paper anymore"

    No one elected them, let the justice department and the Supreme Court Bar association figure out what ethics entail.




    Breyer is addressing a House Committee, not a caucus.
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    Christian73 said
    musclmed said
    realifedad said
    GQjock saidYou gotta be KIDDING me ......................


    Yet this is the same party that have gone on and on for years about Activist Judges, Have you heard Obama or anyone from his Administration, the Dem. Senators, Congressmen speaking out about this ?? We need to find a lot of sets of 'brass balls' and hand them out on the Dem side of the isle !!!! This is why I don't have any faith in either side, they are all bought and paid for by the Corps., We have a few Weiners, Sanders, Kucinich, and so on, but very very few not in the loop, its totally disgusting !!!




    Silly boy. Kucinich sees spaceships too.


    Should we investigate Justice Breyer too?


    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/24/scalia.tea.party/index.html

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREJustice Stephen Breyer in the past week addressed a private bipartisan retreat for House Judiciary Committee members. The justice had been chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1979 to 1980 under then-Chairman Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts.



    believe what you want but this happens all the time.

    I tend to believe they are professionals.

    See I disagree with Breyer, but im honest enough to look at the whole picture before I jump to scream outrage@!

    And by the way the NY times editorial board is serially calling outrage on alot of things. News Flash.... "no one reads your paper anymore"

    No one elected them, let the justice department and the Supreme Court Bar association figure out what ethics entail.




    Breyer is addressing a House Committee, not a caucus.




    MuscleMed are you hereby actually trying to tell me that you cannot tell the difference between Breyer speaking at what's discribed as a 'bipartison' retreat before a congressional Judiciary Committee and Scallia and Thomas speaking before a Koch Bro's republican backed Strategy session. ??? You know better than this !!!! Please tell me you know better than this !!!!!!!!!
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:46 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed said
    realifedad said
    GQjock saidYou gotta be KIDDING me ......................



    Breyer is addressing a House Committee, not a caucus.



    Hmm christian, Jerrold Nadler seems like a tea partier to me.

    read the CNN story.

    Though mostly Republicans attended the talk, it was also joined by four Democrats -- Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, Mike McIntyre and Mel Watt of North Carolina and Jerrold Nadler of New York. Nadler described the sometimes-caustic justice as respectful of members and "very conversational."


    sorry the story isnt holding up. If 4 liberal democrats show up, especially Jerry Nadler its hardly a evil strategy session.

    Perhaps maybe they enjoy the opportunity to speak with a Supreme Court Judge? And of course not juicy enough if you actually mention that 4 democrats went.

    ( and open to congressional staff as well)icon_rolleyes.gif

    This is certified DEBUNKED