Florida Governor Issues Executive Order Excluding Gays & Lesbians From Discrimination Protections

  • metta

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    Jan 25, 2011 12:58 AM GMT
    Florida Governor Issues Executive Order Excluding Gays & Lesbians From Discrimination Protections

    http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/2011/01/07/new-florida-governor-issues-executive-order-excluding-gays-lesbians-from-discrimination-protections/





    Rick Scott Neglects Sexual Orientation, Handicaps, Marital Status In Anti-Discrimination Order
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/rick-scott-anti-discrimination-order_n_805258.html
  • GQjock

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    Jan 25, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
    Golly ................

    seems to be a republican Governor flu or somethin eh?

    First the Governor of Virginia does it and now Florida
    I hope they're drnking some chicken soup

    Hey GOP lovers .........
    How's that inclusivity doin for ya now? icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 25, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
    Hey metta8, this is a good source, many thanks. Your source also takes a position on gun control:
    http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/arm-yourself/
    Arm Yourself
    The Gay Manifesto encourages all Gays and Lesbians to continue arming themselves and stockpiling ammunition......
    Coming Soon – Big Gay Gun Guide

    Has links to http://www.pinkpistols.org/ (Their motto "Pick on someone your own caliber.")
    And for our Canadian friends:
    The Pink Pistols is now International with our first CANADIAN Chapter! http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html
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    Jan 25, 2011 2:26 AM GMT
    I'm sure it's just an oversight. I mean, how can the (closeted) married guy with a handicap of 14 and a pregnant wife be discriminated against?

    http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/local-news/2863-new-governor-already-discriminating-against-lgbts-and-other-groups.html?qtBy ignoring the categories of “handicap” or “marital status” in his new non-discrimination policy, Scott has actually managed to add discrimination to the Florida Government policies which was not previously there. Those two categories are protected by Florida Law under our Civil Rights Act and many advocacy groups have been working tirelessly to add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” to the language as well.

    Rothaus pointed out that pregnancy is a protected classification according to Florida’s courts as well. But the staunchly pro-life Rick Scott has failed to acknowledge that as well.
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    Jan 25, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidHey metta8, this is a good source, many thanks. Your source also takes a position on gun control:
    http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/arm-yourself/
    Arm Yourself
    The Gay Manifesto encourages all Gays and Lesbians to continue arming themselves and stockpiling ammunition......


    They're certainly an interesting group, and I am unsure of the evidence behind some of their manifesto points.

    But the story is pretty clear cut: it's a shitty move on the part of the Governor.

    I guess an interesting question is the following: given that the immediate moves of several new Republican politicians has been to institute anti-gay measures [here in Ohio, for example, Kasich did not renew the anti-discrimination provision], what sort of conversations could we have with our representatives that might make them change their mind.

    I really think that gay Republicans could have a really positive role here. Being, as they are, donors and participants in the party process one imagines their voice might at least be heard with the politicians concerned.

    I recognize that many of the politicians concerned, such measures are a quick way to identify to their base that they are "sufficiently conservative". This I understand, but it doesn't really help me very much. Or indeed any of us!

    What do you think? What do you Republican gays intend to do/have already done? What could those of us of other political philosophies to engage these politicians?

    I don't want to emulate others in attempting to restrict speech, but it would be nice if we could all have a mutually respectful conversation. :-)
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    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidHey metta8, this is a good source, many thanks. Your source also takes a position on gun control:
    http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/arm-yourself/
    Arm Yourself
    The Gay Manifesto encourages all Gays and Lesbians to continue arming themselves and stockpiling ammunition......


    They're certainly an interesting group, and I am unsure of the evidence behind some of their manifesto points.

    But the story is pretty clear cut: it's a shitty move on the part of the Governor.

    I guess an interesting question is the following: given that the immediate moves of several new Republican politicians has been to institute anti-gay measures [here in Ohio, for example, Kasich did not renew the anti-discrimination provision], what sort of conversations could we have with our representatives that might make them change their mind.

    I really think that gay Republicans could have a really positive role here. Being, as they are, donors and participants in the party process one imagines their voice might at least be heard with the politicians concerned.

    I recognize that many of the politicians concerned, such measures are a quick way to identify to their base that they are "sufficiently conservative". This I understand, but it doesn't really help me very much. Or indeed any of us!

    What do you think? What do you Republican gays intend to do/have already done? What could those of us of other political philosophies to engage these politicians?

    I don't want to emulate others in attempting to restrict speech, but it would be nice if we could all have a mutually respectful conversation. :-)





    Our Governor McDonnell of Virginia did very similar within his first ten days in office. A real Man we've got !!!!

    Its fine for Gays to have a Conservative view of Politics, but they fool themselves if they think for a 'gay' minute they're going to have enough influence to overcome the influence of Tbaggers and Bible thumping far righters.
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    Jan 25, 2011 2:58 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI'm sure it's just an oversight. I mean, how can the (closeted) married guy with a handicap of 14 and a pregnant wife be discriminated against?

    http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/local-news/2863-new-governor-already-discriminating-against-lgbts-and-other-groups.html?qtBy ignoring the categories of “handicap” or “marital status” in his new non-discrimination policy, Scott has actually managed to add discrimination to the Florida Government policies which was not previously there. Those two categories are protected by Florida Law under our Civil Rights Act and many advocacy groups have been working tirelessly to add “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” to the language as well.

    Rothaus pointed out that pregnancy is a protected classification according to Florida’s courts as well. But the staunchly pro-life Rick Scott has failed to acknowledge that as well.


    It doesnt mention age either . So does that allow discrimination based on age.

    Is this a direct slap against LGBT or just a poorly worded exec order.

    Oh no.,.... but it fits, lets just say he is anti-gay .



    I must thank metta8 for this link.

    My partner and I are interested in building our own gay bunker.

    This guy is totally going on my facebook.

    GAY MANIFESTO
    I am a pissed off Gay American living off-grid in the mountains of Southern Colorado. I built my own cabin, grow most of my own food, generate my own power and brew my own beer…



    Arent we supposed to discourage people "arming" themselves?
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    Jan 25, 2011 2:59 AM GMT
    realifedad saidIts fine for Gays to have a Conservative view of Politics, but they fool themselves if they think for a 'gay' minute they're going to have enough influence to overcome the influence of Tbaggers and Bible thumping far righters.


    That is certainly a common perception. But it is not a productive or empowering starting place. Let us suppose that they *CAN*: the question is how MIGHT they [and we]?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 25, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    Personally, I think it's a good thing that these sort of politicians expose themselves for their bigotry and homophobia as soon as possible so that it is laid out for all to see and be judged by. I suspect that that the Florida Governor as well as the Virginia Governor can, and probably will, be held accountable for this backwards thinking hateful move. I know it may not be apparent now, but let's wait and see how this plays out. I do not think it will bode well for either Governor.
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    realifedad saidIts fine for Gays to have a Conservative view of Politics, but they fool themselves if they think for a 'gay' minute they're going to have enough influence to overcome the influence of Tbaggers and Bible thumping far righters.


    It doesn't have to be that way, though. It was in most of our lifetimes that the GOP managed the masterstroke of fusing the culture war values of religious fundamentalists with the economic values of first the fiscal conservatives and then the neoliberals. If the queer right withdraws and refuses to participate in the dialogue, then they relinquish their power to shape the debate on the future of a party already in disarray. I'm far from optimistic about their chances of doing so, but what can they do but try?

    For what it's worth, here's an example of their latest effort to change the message and direction of their party:

    Boycotts of CPAC over inclusion of GOProud
    http://politicallyillustrated.com/index.php?/lpnh/2190/

    I may disagree with their politics, but I wish them all the best. The more queer issues are normalized in both parties, the more pressure applied to our reps. in both parties, and the more advocates we have on either side of the aisle, the better for all of us.
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    Jan 25, 2011 3:41 AM GMT
    Wow. That article was written by the most overly dramatic queen of queens with as big of a victim complex as some of the people on here.
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    Jan 25, 2011 3:42 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidFrom the link:

    Florida has nearly 2 million tax paying Gay and Lesbian residents. Their lives are now in jeopardy because the new Governor made it clear that the state does not value them as people and won’t protect them against persecution and violence.

    Good grief... Is this guy one of the RJ liberal hens on here? He sure sounds like it.


    Happy now? This is coming from YOUR butt buddy here.....
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    realifedad saidIts fine for Gays to have a Conservative view of Politics, but they fool themselves if they think for a 'gay' minute they're going to have enough influence to overcome the influence of Tbaggers and Bible thumping far righters.


    It doesn't have to be that way, though. It was in most of our lifetimes that the GOP managed the masterstroke of fusing the culture war values of religious fundamentalists with the economical values of first the fiscal conservatives and then the neoliberals. If the queer right withdraws and refuses to participate in the dialogue, then they relinquish their power to shape the debate on the future of a party already in disarray. I'm far from optimistic about their chances of doing so, but what can they do but try?

    For what it's worth, here's an example of their latest effort to change the message and direction of their party:

    Boycotts of CPAC over inclusion of GOProud
    http://politicallyillustrated.com/index.php?/lpnh/2190/

    I may disagree with their politics, but I wish them all the best. The more queer issues are normalized in both parties, the more pressure applied to our reps. in both parties, and the more advocates we have on either side of the isle, the better for all of us.


    One of the best posts I've read on a political topic in ages. Thanks, BoulderingBum.
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    Jan 25, 2011 3:47 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidHey metta8, this is a good source, many thanks. Your source also takes a position on gun control:
    http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/arm-yourself/
    Arm Yourself
    The Gay Manifesto encourages all Gays and Lesbians to continue arming themselves and stockpiling ammunition......
    Coming Soon – Big Gay Gun Guide

    Has links to http://www.pinkpistols.org/ (Their motto "Pick on someone your own caliber.")
    And for our Canadian friends:
    The Pink Pistols is now International with our first CANADIAN Chapter! http://www.pinkpistols.org/index2.html


    lol, I 'll bet you get a hard-on that you may have to shoot some straight that thinks you're second class because the law says so.

    *giggles*



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    Jan 25, 2011 3:47 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPersonally, I think it's a good thing that these sort of politicians expose themselves for their bigotry and homophobia as soon as possible so that it is laid out for all to see and be judged by. I suspect that that the Florida Governor as well as the Virginia Governor can, and probably will, be held accountable for this backwards thinking hateful move. I know it may not be apparent now, but let's wait and see how this plays out. I do not think it will bode well for either Governor.



    Remember, turtleneckjock told you so.....I knew this would happen.

    Little Ricky will be held accountable for all of this, and this is just the beginning of The Demise Of The Sunshine State. Every Floridian is going to suffer, not just "us."

    I can't wait until we kick his ass to the curb in 2014....
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:00 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    CuriousJockAZ said. I do not think it will bode well for either Governor.

    Your sunny optimism is why everyone here loves you.
    It may be deluded, but it's sweet.


    I think there is great reason for optimism. The American people as a whole are not becoming MORE anti-gay, they are becoming LESS anti-gay --- the resounding approval rating for the repeal of DADT was a shining example of this. Republicans who insist on trying to move us backwards rather than move forward into the 21st Century will find themselves left behind when all is said and done. Let's get some perspective here...Governor Rick Scott of Florida, or Virginia Governor McConnell are hardly national political figures. I would bet that a vast majority of Americans outside of either of those states couldn't even name the Governor of Florida or Virginia if asked. This wasn't a nationally known former Governor like say Mitt Romney, or current Governor like Texas Governor Rick Perry, or Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. This will ultimately backfire on these backwards thinking Governors, and rightly so.
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    jprichva said
    CuriousJockAZ said. I do not think it will bode well for either Governor.

    Your sunny optimism is why everyone here loves you.
    It may be deluded, but it's sweet.


    I think there is great reason for optimism. The American people as a whole are not becoming MORE anti-gay, they are becoming LESS anti-gay --- the resounding approval rating for the repeal of DADT was a shining example of this. Republicans who insist on trying to move us backwards rather than move forward into the 21st Century will find themselves left behind when all is said and done. Let's get some perspective here...Governor Rick Scott of Florida, or Virginia Governor McConnell are hardly national political figures. I would bet that a vast majority of Americans outside of either of those states couldn't even name the Governor of Florida or Virginia if asked. This wasn't a nationally known former Governor like say Mitt Romney, or current Governor like Texas Governor Rick Perry, or Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. This will ultimately backfire on these backwards thinking Governors, and rightly so.


    I think you're likely right, however the timescale on this effect is not knowable.

    In the *meantime*, what can gay Republicans [and others alike] do to improve the situation?
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Jan 25, 2011 4:10 AM GMT
    Give Rick Scott (notice I refuse to call him "Governor?") plenty of time...and rope to hang himself with. He's belching forth this nonsense and he hasn't finished his first month in office yet.....

    And he'll end up being a national figure too.....just like Michelle Bachmann.

    You just wait.....It will get so awful here, even SB will admit the man's a mistake.
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidFrom the link:

    Florida has nearly 2 million tax paying Gay and Lesbian residents. Their lives are now in jeopardy because the new Governor made it clear that the state does not value them as people and won’t protect them against persecution and violence.

    Good grief... Is this guy one of the RJ liberal hens on here? He sure sounds like it.


    Douche bag.

    I thought that these Tea Partiers that you supported were all about "big government" and "fiscal responsibility." You told us several times that weren't anti-gay. I guess they took you for the same ride you always say the Dems are taking the rest of us. icon_rolleyes.gif

    PS: Let's not forget that 13 states are also seeking to further limit abortion rights as well. I guess they were just typical religious right whackos after all.
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    realifedad saidIts fine for Gays to have a Conservative view of Politics, but they fool themselves if they think for a 'gay' minute they're going to have enough influence to overcome the influence of Tbaggers and Bible thumping far righters.


    That is certainly a common perception. But it is not a productive or empowering starting place. Let us suppose that they *CAN*: the question is how MIGHT they [and we]?



    I would say that to beat the devil you don't pay his way and vote for him. you beat him by working against him in every way, and supporting him financially isn't a reasonable place to start.

    Maybe they can convince them that Jesus healed the Roman Centurians male lover, then they'll ignore leviticus advise to stone the queers, you think that will win them over ? LOL, and I'm not picking at you, just saying, this isn't going anywhere soon.

    Maybe they should come back and try again in 20 years when all the good old bigoted white boys are gone and out of the way. You know, the ones my age and up who still think we just decided one day to be 'queer'. LOL !!! (of course you know that even though 'I am my age' I don't think that way !! ha ha !!)
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
    Someone needs to discriminate against the Florida Governor right away.

    Okay, why is Florida always the frontrunner of being retarded?

    Also, if anyone has some GOOD FOOTAGE of this gov speaking I would like to remix it.
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:22 AM GMT
    these bigots will fall from their ivory tower in the next few years, this is just one of their few last grasps, just give it timeicon_smile.gif
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:28 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    Its fine for Gays to have a Conservative view of Politics, but they fool themselves if they think for a 'gay' minute they're going to have enough influence to overcome the influence of Tbaggers and Bible thumping far righters.



    I think there is an unfortunate common misconception to paint "Tea Baggers" and "Bible Thumping Far Righters" with the same broad brush, and this is nearly fair or accurate. Not all T'baggers are far right, or bible thumpers, nor are all far right Bible thumpers necessarily T'baggers. The backwards thinking Politicians clinging to their bigotry will find themselves weeded out -- probably sooner rather than later.
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Jan 25, 2011 4:35 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    jprichva said
    CuriousJockAZ said. I do not think it will bode well for either Governor.

    Your sunny optimism is why everyone here loves you.
    It may be deluded, but it's sweet.


    I think there is great reason for optimism. The American people as a whole are not becoming MORE anti-gay, they are becoming LESS anti-gay --- the resounding approval rating for the repeal of DADT was a shining example of this. Republicans who insist on trying to move us backwards rather than move forward into the 21st Century will find themselves left behind when all is said and done. Let's get some perspective here...Governor Rick Scott of Florida, or Virginia Governor McConnell are hardly national political figures. I would bet that a vast majority of Americans outside of either of those states couldn't even name the Governor of Florida or Virginia if asked. This wasn't a nationally known former Governor like say Mitt Romney, or current Governor like Texas Governor Rick Perry, or Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. This will ultimately backfire on these backwards thinking Governors, and rightly so.


    I think you're likely right, however the timescale on this effect is not knowable.

    In the *meantime*, what can gay Republicans [and others alike] do to improve the situation?


    The Log Cabin Republicans need to take the lead...and OWNERSHIP here to put a stop to this and drive it into Rick Scott's pea-sized brain that the LGBT community is a vital part of our state. HRC also needs to get involved on every level, state, local and national to speak out against this outrage.

    This isn't all about Rick Scott either. There is a "supermajority" of extreme radical right Republicans in both the Florida Senate and House. Whenever Rick Scott takes a shit, they will all do so in unison as they are madly in love with this nutcase.

    And you watch....there is going to be a Tucson-like tragedy in Florida as well during Scott's tenure. It should surprise no one that some Bible totin' Limbaugh quotin' redneck waving a Confederate flag will make an attempt to harm one or several of us "liberal hens."

    Gee, I wonder if that Limbaugh quotin' Tea Bagger might even be onRJ.......
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    Jan 25, 2011 4:40 AM GMT
    I have a hard time believing they will be weeded out anytime soon. After all, we are talking about elected officials who were voted in just last year.