Unlimited data vs. iPhone 5

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    Jan 26, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    What would you recommend? Get an iPhone 4 on Verizon (I am eligible for my "every 2") and secure my unlimited data plan for $30 or wait for iPhone 5 and get sucked into the tier.

    Things to consider:
    - iPhone 5 is 5 months away probably
    - unlimited data may prove very useful in the LTE future of phones
    - iPhone 4 had huge upgrades over 3GS, do we expect the same for 5 from 4?
    - I WANT A DAMN SMART PHONE NOW
    - There may be the usual Apple-gate bugs at the start with iPhone 5


    Share your rational for either option.

    Thanks,

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    Jan 27, 2011 4:15 AM GMT
    I suspect the iphone 5 will be basically an iphone 4 with a better antenna. And a very slight chance it will have a NFC chip. 4G LTE? Maybe. But I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon will add a fee on top of the $30 for LTE data plans, kinda like Sprint.

    Just get the iphone 4 now. When the iphone 5 comes out, wait until Apple works out all the bugs. And then upgrade early. Lots of people bitched and complained when the iphone 3GS came out a year after the 3G, and ATT let everyone upgrade early without penalty. They only had to extend their contract. I'm sure the same will happen with Verizon.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
    rumor has it (from some sites and moles with 'good' track records... for whatever that's worth) that....

    - the iphone5 will be a dual mode GSM/CDMA 'world' phone. apple will forego true 4G (LTE) and push 3G speeds with HSPA chipsets in the iphone5 because LTE chipsets won't be mature enough to meet apple's demanding requirements for low power consumption, low heat and small(er) form factors. apple will not produce phones that look like android phones (i.e. large, hot, bulky and relatively poor battery life)... and they will not be a guinea pig for immature LTE networks.
    the iphone5 will be a dual mode GSM/CDMA 'world' phone. HSPA speeds will approach those of LTE anyway, so no biggee there. remember, the first iphone wasn't 3G even though 3G existed because apple was unwilling to 'experiment' with new networks.

    - the iphone5 will likely have a dual-core processor and be more than 'an iphone4 with a better antenna'... although you can count on a 'different' antenna.

    - Verizon will skip 'interim' speed technologies to go right to LTE... in fact they're already rolling out their LTE network. problem with this is, that when you are in a city without LTE service (expect 'full' coverage on Verizon and AT&T around 2013) and you're on the Verizon network, your speed is going to roll back to 'basic' 3G (EV-DO). AT&T by contrast will support HSPA and interim speed upgrades on their way to LTE, so 'rollback' speeds in cities without full LTE will be 'near LTE' on the AT&T network.

    - sorry to break it to all the Verizon fans, but despite all of the bitching and moaning about AT&T's network, it is now head and shoulders above all the other networks in speed and reliability, including Verizon (http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=189592&page=1&zoomIdx=2, http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_back_in_pcworlds_second_3g_wireless_performance_test.html?tk=rel_news). defectors to the Verizon network will further speed up AT&T's network.

    the above issues are likely more important in helping you decide to wait on the iphone5 versus switching your current phone to iphone4 while on Verizon... or maybe even considering a switch to AT&T. The internet is full of stories about AT&T letting current customers revert to unlimited data plans after threatening to switch to Verizon. I suspect AT&T will also start offering unlimited plans to Verizon customers who commit to switch.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:30 AM GMT
    iPhone 5.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:34 AM GMT
    There's always a better phone about to come out so just get whatever you want and don't stress it. Its America, new stuff all the time!

    (until the Chinese liquidate our debt)
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI suspect the iphone 5 will be basically an iphone 4 with a better antenna. And a very slight chance it will have a NFC chip. 4G LTE? Maybe. But I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon will add a fee on top of the $30 for LTE data plans, kinda like Sprint.

    Just get the iphone 4 now. When the iphone 5 comes out, wait until Apple works out all the bugs. And then upgrade early. Lots of people bitched and complained when the iphone 3GS came out a year after the 3G, and ATT let everyone upgrade early without penalty. They only had to extend their contract. I'm sure the same will happen with Verizon.


    $30? Wow, sprint's fee is only $10 for 4G
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:44 AM GMT
    Verizon's crappy CDMA iPhone 4 will not allow simultaneous data/voice usage (no CDMA phone will). Most people use 200-400MB per month on their iphones and about 800MB on their iPads so having an unlimited account is useless compared to having a 2GB package. It's bullshit marketing intended to draw stupid people who don't do the math into wanting "unlimited" vs. "limited". Good on them for doing it. Bad on ya for falling for the trick.

    It's like giving "unlimited refills" for "only $3 more!" ($6 for your soda/pop). The math works out that most people only drink 1.5 cups so the business owner cleans up on all the extra profit margin incurred in the "unlimited" sale because people never use up all the extra soda/pop. Old trick.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:59 AM GMT
    GBRelentless said
    xrichx saidI suspect the iphone 5 will be basically an iphone 4 with a better antenna. And a very slight chance it will have a NFC chip. 4G LTE? Maybe. But I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon will add a fee on top of the $30 for LTE data plans, kinda like Sprint.

    Just get the iphone 4 now. When the iphone 5 comes out, wait until Apple works out all the bugs. And then upgrade early. Lots of people bitched and complained when the iphone 3GS came out a year after the 3G, and ATT let everyone upgrade early without penalty. They only had to extend their contract. I'm sure the same will happen with Verizon.


    $30? Wow, sprint's fee is only $10 for 4G


    Sprint '4G' isn't 'real' 4G. In fact, Phone Scoop found that Sprint's 4G network is currently slightly slower than T-Mobile's HSPA+ (High-Speed Packet Access) network - an upgraded form of 3G - and which T-Mobile is marketing as 4G.

    The whole 4G thing is a big, fat mess.... littered with marketing hype and lies. Only when all the networks are using true next generation tech can they claim 4G.
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:07 AM GMT
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    GBRelentless said
    xrichx saidI suspect the iphone 5 will be basically an iphone 4 with a better antenna. And a very slight chance it will have a NFC chip. 4G LTE? Maybe. But I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon will add a fee on top of the $30 for LTE data plans, kinda like Sprint.

    Just get the iphone 4 now. When the iphone 5 comes out, wait until Apple works out all the bugs. And then upgrade early. Lots of people bitched and complained when the iphone 3GS came out a year after the 3G, and ATT let everyone upgrade early without penalty. They only had to extend their contract. I'm sure the same will happen with Verizon.


    $30? Wow, sprint's fee is only $10 for 4G


    Sprint '4G' isn't 'real' 4G. In fact, Phone Scoop found that Sprint's 4G network is currently slightly slower than T-Mobile's HSPA+ (High-Speed Packet Access) network - an upgraded form of 3G - and which T-Mobile is marketing as 4G.

    The whole 4G thing is a big, fat mess.... littered with marketing hype and lies. Only when all the networks are using true next generation tech can they claim 4G.


    I know and its sad... I am only paying the 10 bucks extra because of the phone (epic 4g). I'm not of fan of any 4g service... call me an old man, but I still like 'wired' service.
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:21 AM GMT
    outdoorathlete saidVerizon's crappy CDMA iPhone 4 will not allow simultaneous data/voice usage (no CDMA phone will). Most people use 200-400MB per month on their iphones and about 800MB on their iPads so having an unlimited account is useless compared to having a 2GB package. It's bullshit marketing intended to draw stupid people who don't do the math into wanting "unlimited" vs. "limited". Good on them for doing it. Bad on ya for falling for the trick.

    It's like giving "unlimited refills" for "only $3 more!" ($6 for your soda/pop). The math works out that most people only drink 1.5 cups so the business owner cleans up on all the extra profit margin incurred in the "unlimited" sale because people never use up all the extra soda/pop. Old trick.


    Actually I have read that Apple is pushing to hotfix the issue either with 4 or 5 even if Verizon remains CDMA based. It actually is a misconception that CDMA phones don't do simultaneous transfer, in fact the date is on different lines it is just that CDMA doesn't open both.

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    Jan 27, 2011 6:25 AM GMT
    iphone 5 this summer?? Thats when my lines come up for renewal! Yay! A new toy!!
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:27 AM GMT
    GBRelentless said
    $30? Wow, sprint's fee is only $10 for 4G

    Haha.. I meant $30 for 3G, and another $10 on top of that for 4G.
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:30 AM GMT
    Pinny said
    Actually I have read that Apple is pushing to hotfix the issue either with 4 or 5 even if Verizon remains CDMA based. It actually is a misconception that CDMA phones don't do simultaneous transfer, in fact the date is on different lines it is just that CDMA doesn't open both.

    Is this really a concern? Who really talks and surfs at the same time? Most iphone owners use apps/data more than voice. I'd say it's the same with other smartphone owners/platforms as well.
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:32 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    GBRelentless said
    $30? Wow, sprint's fee is only $10 for 4G

    Haha.. I meant $30 for 3G, and another $10 on top of that for 4G.


    Lol, oh ok. I think every company is charging some sort of $10+ 4g coverage charge... (it sucks big time). Unfortunately, sprint will soon charge $10 for 3g coverage [I'm assuming Verizon will follow].
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:34 AM GMT
    All this talk about phone networks is making me head hurt.

    ...I just recently upgraded to a landline from my telegraph.

    The beeping was driving me nuts.
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:46 AM GMT
    xrichx saidIs this really a concern? Who really talks and surfs at the same time? Most iphone owners use apps/data more than voice. I'd say it's the same with other smartphone owners/platforms as well.

    For me, not really considering I don't have a smartphone but I know a lot of people put it like this: Imagine you are using a navigation feature and get a call, boom the navigation stops. Imagine you are on the phone and someone goes when is the movie, bam you have to stop the call to get times online.

    Now, yest there are rebuttals and yes it isn't hard to look up a time and then tet it, but that is what people alway say when the counter-argument of "well when are you using voice AND data" comes up.
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    Jan 27, 2011 7:00 AM GMT
    outdoorathlete saidMost people use 200-400MB per month on their iphones


    I thought you were full of it, until I checked my blackberry usage and saw that I wasn't even breaking 125MB... I swear to god I use more than that.
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    Jan 27, 2011 7:08 AM GMT
    Pinny said
    outdoorathlete saidVerizon's crappy CDMA iPhone 4 will not allow simultaneous data/voice usage (no CDMA phone will). Most people use 200-400MB per month on their iphones and about 800MB on their iPads so having an unlimited account is useless compared to having a 2GB package. It's bullshit marketing intended to draw stupid people who don't do the math into wanting "unlimited" vs. "limited". Good on them for doing it. Bad on ya for falling for the trick.

    It's like giving "unlimited refills" for "only $3 more!" ($6 for your soda/pop). The math works out that most people only drink 1.5 cups so the business owner cleans up on all the extra profit margin incurred in the "unlimited" sale because people never use up all the extra soda/pop. Old trick.


    Actually I have read that Apple is pushing to hotfix the issue either with 4 or 5 even if Verizon remains CDMA based. It actually is a misconception that CDMA phones don't do simultaneous transfer, in fact the date is on different lines it is just that CDMA doesn't open both.



    Verizon has 'confirmed' that shared Internet access through iOS's personal hotspot service will be 'put on hold' to accept inbound calls because of the limitations of CDMA in handling both voice and data simultaneously. Expect AT&T to counter with its own personal hotspot (in iOS 4.3) that will allow inbound calls to be accepted without interrupting the Internet service of those currently surfing through the same phone. Personal hotspots are a compelling reason for needing simultaneous voice and data. Verizon phones that currently 'share' their Internet service through Verizon's 3G (EVDO) service cannot take inbound calls. 'Droid doesn't'... at least not on Verizon's current network.
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    Jan 27, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    Thus the verdict is...


    iPhone 5 with a tiered data plan? I am just trying to look longterm and see if I will ever kick myself for not going unlimited but if the average user is staying under 200mb well...
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    Jan 27, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    i heard verizon is discontinuing the new every 2, so make sure they don't yank it before you upgrade if that's part of your decision making.
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    Jan 27, 2011 11:18 PM GMT
    They are discontinuing it for new customers I believe.
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    Jan 27, 2011 11:51 PM GMT
    [quote]

    Verizon has 'confirmed' that shared Internet access through iOS's personal hotspot service will be 'put on hold' to accept inbound calls because of the limitations of CDMA in handling both voice and data simultaneously. Expect AT&T to counter with its own personal hotspot (in iOS 4.3) that will allow inbound calls to be accepted without interrupting the Internet service of those currently surfing through the same phone. Personal hotspots are a compelling reason for needing simultaneous voice and data. Verizon phones that currently 'share' their Internet service through Verizon's 3G (EVDO) service cannot take inbound calls. 'Droid doesn't'... at least not on Verizon's current network.[/quote]

    This is very true. I used (past tense) my droid 3g hotspot many times, and it would drop the data when a call would come in. Not very useful to talk to customers and look up their account simultaneously. Anyway, I found out after many days of not even being able to connect more than one device at a time without the 3g link being overloaded, it would drop the connection.

    My solution: I called tech support, had them run some tests, sure enough, the phone wouldn't sustain more than one device. I went into a store, and walked out with a FREE MiFi device with no activation. Now I can use 2 devices (that I need minimally) at a time AND talk on the phone. The Mifi is Cute. I am going to do a test on the battery life under full use. I have a 3GB data package, and I wont use it all. I'm thinking about getting an iPad with my new job soon. Should be fun!
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    Jan 27, 2011 11:57 PM GMT
    Get the iphone5 also rumor has it ATT will bring back the unlimited Data to go against Verizon. Right now the iphone 4 for ATT is still a better phone then iphone for Verizon.

    I also heard the iphone5 will support the newer 4G when ATT rolls it out.

    the Verizon iphone is under the old network and not under the 4G LTE
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    Jan 28, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    wait
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    Jan 28, 2011 1:38 PM GMT
    FINE CHARLITOS, FINE!