Arizona - 'Please don't shoot me:' Girl, nine, begged for her life before she and her father were shot dead by 'anti-immigrant vigilantes'

  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2011 3:13 AM GMT
    'Please don't shoot me:' Girl, nine, begged for her life before she and her father were shot dead by 'anti-immigrant vigilantes'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350721/Girl-9-father-shot-dead-anti-immigrant-vigilantes-begged-life.html
  • creature

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    Jan 27, 2011 3:23 AM GMT
    Nice to see Shawna Forde can still get the death penalty, even if she didn't pull the trigger. I hope the FBI learned a lesson from this.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 27, 2011 3:35 AM GMT
    Ya wanna start defending the Arizona Anti-immigration law NOW ?

    Jeesus ... that was sickening

    when do people start waking up?
    That state has become a Quentin Tarentino movie
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    Jan 27, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    This bitch and her buddy need to be sent away for good. What in the hell is in their heads to think they did society a favor to shoot a little girl. These people are crazy for sure, and some still say that violent rhetoric doesn't cause this, well no, the rhetoric did pull this trigger either but rhetoric makes these kind of idiots think they have backing for officials.
  • musclmed

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    Jan 27, 2011 4:00 AM GMT
    metta8 said'Please don't shoot me:' Girl, nine, begged for her life before she and her father were shot dead by 'anti-immigrant vigilantes'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350721/Girl-9-father-shot-dead-anti-immigrant-vigilantes-begged-life.html


    WAIT ONE MINUTE. THE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT ALLEGES A ROBBERY...


    This is a PRIME example of a salacious story, and fabrication and omission. From a garbage UK tabloid


    Metta why not American Press?

    One of the arrested in the shooting had ties to Mexican drug cartels with prior drug convictions.

    This apparently is a drug grudge. One of the arrested was a militia person but the hispanic arrested had a beef with the father that was shot about stolen Marijuana.

    But there are allegations to a drug deal or a robbery. The article very oddly leaves this out. Leaving you to believe that its some sort of racial hit. She apperently was running drugs in league with other drug leaders to raise money for her group, a front for her drug activities.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores

    http://tinyurl.com/4kkc95aD
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/double-homicide-three-arrested/
    How about some research first. Local press isnt saying this sort of thing that this UK article lists.

    you need to read up before you post Metta8
  • TrentGrad

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    Jan 27, 2011 4:00 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock saidYa wanna start defending the Arizona Anti-immigration law NOW ?

    Jeesus ... that was sickening

    when do people start waking up?
    That state has become a Quentin Tarentino movie




    So you're saying that SB1070 should be repealed because of this ONE incident.

    Brilliant! icon_rolleyes.gif

    This happened BEFORE the PROPOSED law was even being debated!

    The prosecution alleges that the child and her father Raul Flores Jr were murdered in May 30, 2009 by a group of vigilantes set up to tackle Mexican immigrants


    Trying to be provocative again, Uncle Roy?

    How many children need to be murdered in cold blood before you realize the law may be sending the wrong message???
  • TrentGrad

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    Jan 27, 2011 4:13 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    metta8 said'Please don't shoot me:' Girl, nine, begged for her life before she and her father were shot dead by 'anti-immigrant vigilantes'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350721/Girl-9-father-shot-dead-anti-immigrant-vigilantes-begged-life.html


    WAIT ONE MINUTE. THE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT ALLEGES A ROBBERY...


    This is a PRIME example of a salacious story, and fabrication and omission. From a garbage UK tabloid


    Metta why not American Press?

    One of the arrested in the shooting is a mexican national.

    This apparently is a drug grudge. One of the arrested was a militia person but the hispanic arrested had a beef with the father that was shot about stolen Marijuana.

    But there are allegations to a drug deal or a robbery. The article very oddly leaves this out. Leaving you to believe that its some sort of racial hit. She apperently was running drugs in league with other drug leaders to raise money for her group, a front for her drug activities.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores

    http://tinyurl.com/4kkc95aD
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/double-homicide-three-arrested/
    How about some research first. Local press isnt saying this sort of thing that this UK article lists.

    you need to read up before you post Metta8


    I read your Wikipedia page...and didn't read about a "Mexican national." What I did read was: "Albert Robert Gaxiola (born February 9, 1967 (1967-02-09) (age 43)[15]), of Arivaca, Arizona..."

    I never knew that there was a Mexican state of "Arizona" as well. Could it be that, in the limits of your imagination, there's no such thing as Americans of Mexican descent???
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    Jan 27, 2011 4:13 AM GMT
    musclmed said... This is a PRIME example of a salacious story, and fabrication and omission. From a garbage UK tabloid

    Metta why not American Press?

    One of the arrested in the shooting is a mexican national.

    This apparently is a drug grudge. One of the arrested was a militia person but the hispanic arrested had a beef with the father that was shot about stolen Marijuana.

    But there are allegations to a drug deal or a robbery. The article very oddly leaves this out. Leaving you to believe that its some sort of racial hit. She apperently was running drugs in league with other drug leaders to raise money for her group, a front for her drug activities.

    ...How about some research first. Local press isnt saying this sort of thing that this UK article lists.

    you need to read up before you post Metta8

    Metta8 - it would be interesting if you would care to comment on whether you just happened to miss all the local coverage and came upon the UK tabloid by chance? I wouldn't want to think you intentionally did not use a more complete story from a local source to provide an inaccurate story to use partial facts to try and make a point.
  • musclmed

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    Jan 27, 2011 4:20 AM GMT
    TrentGrad said
    musclmed said
    metta8 said'Please don't shoot me:' Girl, nine, begged for her life before she and her father were shot dead by 'anti-immigrant vigilantes'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350721/Girl-9-father-shot-dead-anti-immigrant-vigilantes-begged-life.html


    WAIT ONE MINUTE. THE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT ALLEGES A ROBBERY...


    This is a PRIME example of a salacious story, and fabrication and omission. From a garbage UK tabloid


    Metta why not American Press?

    One of the arrested in the shooting is a mexican national.

    This apparently is a drug grudge. One of the arrested was a militia person but the hispanic arrested had a beef with the father that was shot about stolen Marijuana.

    But there are allegations to a drug deal or a robbery. The article very oddly leaves this out. Leaving you to believe that its some sort of racial hit. She apperently was running drugs in league with other drug leaders to raise money for her group, a front for her drug activities.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores

    http://tinyurl.com/4kkc95aD
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/double-homicide-three-arrested/
    How about some research first. Local press isnt saying this sort of thing that this UK article lists.

    you need to read up before you post Metta8


    I read your Wikipedia page...and didn't read about a "Mexican national." What I did read was: "Albert Robert Gaxiola (born February 9, 1967 (1967-02-09) (age 43)[15]), of Arivaca, Arizona..."

    I never knew that there was a Mexican state of "Arizona" as well. Could it be that, in the limits of your imagination, there's no such thing as Americans of Mexican descent???


    Have a conversation with yourself, you missed ALL OF THE OTHER MISLEADING POINTS OF THE UK piece.. The story clearly is false and misleading.

    I meant that Albert Gaxiola has Mexican drug cartel ties, with prior convictions.

    And the victim ( father ) as well. The girl is a innocent and its a tragedy.

    What a ECHO chamber over here. Are facts just inconvenient. Why post a story at all? Just make it up.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 27, 2011 5:12 AM GMT
    Weird --- I live in Arizona and this is the first time I've even heard about these murders.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 27, 2011 5:14 AM GMT
    GQjock saidYa wanna start defending the Arizona Anti-immigration law NOW ?




    In a word --- YES! I'm not even convinced this is a real story.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
    It's as sickening as the Daily Mail [a mindlessly conservative tabloid] is.
  • musclmed

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    Jan 27, 2011 5:21 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GQjock saidYa wanna start defending the Arizona Anti-immigration law NOW ?




    In a word --- YES! I'm not even convinced this is a real story.



    Its astroturf.
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  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    TrentGrad said
    musclmed said
    metta8 said'Please don't shoot me:' Girl, nine, begged for her life before she and her father were shot dead by 'anti-immigrant vigilantes'


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350721/Girl-9-father-shot-dead-anti-immigrant-vigilantes-begged-life.html


    WAIT ONE MINUTE. THE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT ALLEGES A ROBBERY...


    This is a PRIME example of a salacious story, and fabrication and omission. From a garbage UK tabloid


    Metta why not American Press?

    One of the arrested in the shooting is a mexican national.

    This apparently is a drug grudge. One of the arrested was a militia person but the hispanic arrested had a beef with the father that was shot about stolen Marijuana.

    But there are allegations to a drug deal or a robbery. The article very oddly leaves this out. Leaving you to believe that its some sort of racial hit. She apperently was running drugs in league with other drug leaders to raise money for her group, a front for her drug activities.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores

    http://tinyurl.com/4kkc95aD
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/double-homicide-three-arrested/
    How about some research first. Local press isnt saying this sort of thing that this UK article lists.

    you need to read up before you post Metta8


    I read your Wikipedia page...and didn't read about a "Mexican national." What I did read was: "Albert Robert Gaxiola (born February 9, 1967 (1967-02-09) (age 43)[15]), of Arivaca, Arizona..."

    I never knew that there was a Mexican state of "Arizona" as well. Could it be that, in the limits of your imagination, there's no such thing as Americans of Mexican descent???


    Have a conversation with yourself, you missed ALL OF THE OTHER MISLEADING POINTS OF THE UK piece.. The story clearly is false and misleading.

    I meant that Albert Gaxiola has Mexican drug cartel ties, with prior convictions.

    And the victim ( father ) as well. The girl is a innocent and its a tragedy.

    What a ECHO chamber over here. Are facts just inconvenient. Why post a story at all? Just make it up.



    thanks for the info. A friend sent it to me and, at the time, I did not have time to look in it further. My daily schedule is way busier than the average persons. Sometimes it helps to post things to find out more about them. icon_smile.gif

    From one of your links:

    [quote]
    Alleged involvement of Militiamen American Defense

    Militiamen American Defense is a militant nativist splinter group founded in the late 2000s by Forde after she was expelled from the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. Various Forde family members and some of Forde's associates said that Forde began to rob presumed drug dealers in 2009, in hopes of raising funds to benefit her vigilante group. Chuck Stonex, of Alamogordo, New Mexico, a former member who quit the organization after Forde's arrest, says that M.A.D. had about 14 members and that Forde termed its covert missions "Delta One Operations." Stonex said Forde intended to fund the purchase of a 40-acre (160,000 m2) property in southern Arizona where she had intended to establish a base for her group's border operations.[22]
    [/quote]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores

    I did a quick search on Militiamen American Defense and really did not find anything but the same wikipedia page. I wonder if there is another name they go by.

  • GQjock

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    Jan 27, 2011 10:49 AM GMT
    Double homicide update: Three arrested
    by Rynski on Jun. 15, 2009,
    [url]http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/double-homicide-three-arrested/
    [/url]
    Forde is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a small border watch group, and Bush goes by the nickname “Gunny” and is its operations director, according to the group’s Web site. She is from Everett, Wash., has recently been living in Arizona and was once associated with the better known and larger Minuteman Civil Defense Corps., the Associated Press reported.

    Border militia activist one of three charged in Arivaca double murder

    Forde has ties to border militia groups and anti-immigration activists. Authorities say she founded a border watchdog group called "Minutemen American Defense."
    http://www.kold.com/global/story.asp?s=10526682

    ** Forde is the "Leader" and "Founder" of the watchdog group
    and Bush or GUNNY as he's called is its operations director

    ** They dressed up as law enforcement officers to gain access to the house


    so again ....... what is it that you're defending???