Frustrated with fat and muscles

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    Jan 27, 2011 4:50 AM GMT
    Hello hello,

    I deleted my original RJ a while back because I thought I had gotten all the info I needed out of it and it was becoming a huge distraction posting on the forums but I'm back. Woo!

    Ok so back in November I made a post that I was frustrated that I wasn't gaining any muscle. I weighed I think around 183ish give or take a few lbs back in early November. Since then I started doing the RJ 12 week muscle-building program. I sometimes skip on the cardio but I do ALL the exercises. It's a huge time sink and it's quite ridiculous being in the gym for 90 minutes to two hours but that's what's on there so I'm trying it.

    At the advice of others here I started to eat a lot more. I didn't count my calories but I definitely started eating more than I was used to. I started taking NO Xplode and Cell Mass early January.

    Now today I am 190 fluctuating between 187ish to 195ish with clothes sometimes and without clothes sometimes. I took a progress picture today just to see where I was at and I was horrified to see that I barely looked an different. In fact I thought I looked better before! I remembered though that I had just eaten and my stomach was full so my middle would look thicker than normal. (I'll show you guys the before+now pictures tomorrow.) But still I barely see any difference in these pictures! Where is all this weight coming from? I'm by no means "fat" but my lower stomach definitely has a little more to grab on to than it used to. My boyfriend said I seem a little thicker in my core but he thought it was because I was using it more? Possible. I used one of those electronic scale things that tells you your body fat % and it said 14% (I'm 6'3). I have never in my life been 14%, and I know I'm being "that bitch", but it freaks me out. Maybe it's good though, because muscles need fat right? I don't know.

    I know I shouldn't give up and I shouldn't stop eating but I'm like.. fuckin give me a break already I've been so persistent with this and it's not paying off. Between 90 minutes and 2 hours in the gym 5 days a week? I mean the workouts are intense and I DO get sore so that's good. I feel stronger too.. But damn. What's a man gotta do to get some muscles up in this bitch icon_sad.gif.

    So for everyone who didn't read all that I'll post the pics tomorrow.

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    Jan 27, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    Good that you're taking before pictures. That may help, and feel free to vent.

    Also, have you been paying attention to your macs? How much protein are you eating? Carbs? Fat?
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    Jan 27, 2011 12:33 PM GMT
    The pics were taken with my iMac so it's possible the shitty photo quality could distort my possible results.
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    Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM GMT
    Heavier weights, fewer reps (6 reps, push to failure), keep with the eating and shakes 3 x daily, super-sets, drop-sets- don't spend time waiting inbetween sets, simply work a different muscle group inbetween which hasn't been fatigued yet (your workouts will become significantly shorter but MUCH more intense)....


    Are you doinf ALL of these things without fail? Honestly? If not, you know what you have to do.

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    Jan 27, 2011 12:51 PM GMT
    You need to track your calories for a week or two. I was shocked to see how little I actually ate and how good my body was at getting me to eat less calories the day after I had eaten heaps.
  • rafiki87

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    Jan 27, 2011 1:32 PM GMT
    It could just be water weight from the creatine... btw 14% body fat is in the optimal range for a guy your age.

  • TheIStrat

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    Jan 27, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
    I'd murder someone to look like you
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Jan 27, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
    Here's the difference I see in the pics: In October you had shit laying around everywhere, in November you had picked the place up but a little light cleaning wouldn't have hurt, and in January you had slipped back into your old ways with stuff all over the floor.

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    Jan 27, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
    LanceKC saidHere's the difference I see in the pics: In October you had shit laying around everywhere, in November you had picked the place up but a little light cleaning wouldn't have hurt, and in January you had slipped back into your old ways with stuff all over the floor.



    I'm gonna cash in on the "I'm in college" excuse.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:33 PM GMT
    pre_mortem saidYou need to track your calories for a week or two. I was shocked to see how little I actually ate and how good my body was at getting me to eat less calories the day after I had eaten heaps.


    Thanks for the tip I started recording what I'm eating today. I'm shooting for about 4000 cals a day.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    What the hell dude? I mean I dont think you NEED to gain anymore. If you want to go for it, but damn, you look good enough as is. And I mean it. Hard.
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    Jan 27, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    LanceKC saidHere's the difference I see in the pics: In October you had shit laying around everywhere, in November you had picked the place up but a little light cleaning wouldn't have hurt, and in January you had slipped back into your old ways with stuff all over the floor.



    Doesn't this guy have anything better to do than look at someones floor
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    Jan 27, 2011 6:03 PM GMT
    Why would you want to gain more mass? I think you look just fine the way you are. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 27, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    First of all, 7 Ib isn't that much of a difference (You are just impaient).

    Second, Do some cardio. It will help you appear "bigger" if you lose unnecessary fat in certain areas.

    I notice that you have a bell-shaped body, as you seem to have wider hips which makes your upper body appear smaller.

    So, do side crunches and legs and focus on your core to get six-packs. Try to get that v-shaped. It will make your chest, bicep, tricep and back appear bigger. Of course, don't forge to do bench press, curls and chin ups as you don't want your upperbody to shrink.

    And yes, Creatine, NO-Explode and Whey makes you gain water weight. And the first area that you will notice is around the belly for men. So, yeah, be prepared to do lots of crunches.

    Hope that helps. I speak from experience, check out my pictures.
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    Jan 27, 2011 10:44 PM GMT
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    *drool*
    That is all. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 27, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
    pelicanfly said
    pre_mortem saidYou need to track your calories for a week or two. I was shocked to see how little I actually ate and how good my body was at getting me to eat less calories the day after I had eaten heaps.


    Thanks for the tip I started recording what I'm eating today. I'm shooting for about 4000 cals a day.


    Eh, I just need to point something out. You don't *need* to do anything - I completely echo Paul's sentiment. But if you want to gain (and I totally understand why you would want to) then you need to track your calories. Eating is harder work than I expected it to be.

    And seriously? 10 hours a week in the gym? That sounds bloody boring. Do some heavy, simple compound exercises like deads, squats, weighted chins/pull ups, bench and get the hell out of there. And maybe go less often. You may or may not be overtraining. Or go do something fun like crossfit.

    PS Tracking only your weight and pictures gives you very little precise information (weight is a composite of positives and negatives and thus a very noisy bit of information in this context, and your pictures are very open to interpretation + biased by water retention). Try measuring the smallest circumference of your abdomen (close to the navel) along with the circumference of the chest. The abdomen measurement is very fat sensitive while the chest is what I'm assuming that you are going for (if you want big arms then measure that as well - chest is just the easiest to replicate).
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    Jan 27, 2011 11:10 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidI'd murder someone to look like you


    Ditto
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    Jan 27, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    I am also doing the 12 week muscle up program. Everything is supposed to be completed rather quickly and I am actually spending about an hour a day on weights. I also track carbs and protein and take 1.5 - 2g each per pound of bodyweight if bulking and 1-1.5g each if dieting. I got this off of bodybuilding.com. I bulk until 10% bodyfat then diet back down to 8% fat and repeat.
  • neosyllogy

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    Jan 27, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    What dumb ass article is telling you to workout for 1.5-2hrs?!
    God damnit. It was either written by an uneducated amateur or written for guy's doing 'roids ("gear").

    Do yourself a huge favor and stop using RJ for workout advice. Seriously, almost everything I read here is terrbile.
    Go to the bodybuilding.com threads, or even the sherdog strength and conditioning threads. Make sure you get advice on natural bodybuilding.

    Working out for 1.5-2hrs is not useful for a normal, unaided human being. (Personally, I cap my weight lifting workouts at 45minutes. If I'm focused on lifting (as oppossed to training for sports) I have no trouble gaining doing that 4/week (2on-1off is also nice, but we're getting into overly specific advice)).

    Now off with you. If you're eating, counting calories, protein (complete), etc. and working in a set-failure range (not whole body failure, just inability to complete a set without stopping) you should be growing.

    2hrs! Gosh darn it! Wannabe experts get on my nerves. icon_mad.gif

    [Edit: NOTE: bodybuilding.com is by NO means consistently good. In fact, among the articles even a good number of them are poor and most are mediocre. However, unlike RJ, there is a sizeable amount of good advice. In particular look at the thread stickies (if I recall correctly).]

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    Jan 28, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    neosyllogy saidWhat dumb ass article is telling you to workout for 1.5-2hrs?! ...
    Working out for 1.5-2hrs is not useful for a normal, unaided human being. (Personally, I cap my weight lifting workouts at 45minutes. If I'm focused on lifting (as oppossed to training for sports) I have no trouble gaining doing that 4/week (2on-1off is also nice, but we're getting into overly specific advice)).

    Good point, and especially if the workouts are intense, the 5 day per week schedule is probably not giving enough time for recovery.
  • TrentGrad

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    Jan 28, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    pelicanfly saidHello hello,

    I deleted my original RJ a while back because I thought I had gotten all the info I needed out of it and it was becoming a huge distraction posting on the forums but I'm back. Woo!

    Ok so back in November I made a post that I was frustrated that I wasn't gaining any muscle. I weighed I think around 183ish give or take a few lbs back in early November. Since then I started doing the RJ 12 week muscle-building program. I sometimes skip on the cardio but I do ALL the exercises. It's a huge time sink and it's quite ridiculous being in the gym for 90 minutes to two hours but that's what's on there so I'm trying it.

    At the advice of others here I started to eat a lot more. I didn't count my calories but I definitely started eating more than I was used to. I started taking NO Xplode and Cell Mass early January.

    Now today I am 190 fluctuating between 187ish to 195ish with clothes sometimes and without clothes sometimes. I took a progress picture today just to see where I was at and I was horrified to see that I barely looked an different. In fact I thought I looked better before! I remembered though that I had just eaten and my stomach was full so my middle would look thicker than normal. (I'll show you guys the before+now pictures tomorrow.) But still I barely see any difference in these pictures! Where is all this weight coming from? I'm by no means "fat" but my lower stomach definitely has a little more to grab on to than it used to. My boyfriend said I seem a little thicker in my core but he thought it was because I was using it more? Possible. I used one of those electronic scale things that tells you your body fat % and it said 14% (I'm 6'3). I have never in my life been 14%, and I know I'm being "that bitch", but it freaks me out. Maybe it's good though, because muscles need fat right? I don't know.

    I know I shouldn't give up and I shouldn't stop eating but I'm like.. fuckin give me a break already I've been so persistent with this and it's not paying off. Between 90 minutes and 2 hours in the gym 5 days a week? I mean the workouts are intense and I DO get sore so that's good. I feel stronger too.. But damn. What's a man gotta do to get some muscles up in this bitch icon_sad.gif.

    So for everyone who didn't read all that I'll post the pics tomorrow.

    Edit*
    Pics: Enjoy my fun shapes over my head (I don't want to put to much out in cyberspace).
    79994934.jpg



    Just reading what you've written freaks me out...it comes off as obsessive!!!

    Seriously, you look great...and while I realize that's not really what you want to hear because you had a very specific goal in mind, perhaps you have to find something deeper than aesthetics to measure your progress by?

    Are you lifting more now than when you started? Have you increased the number of reps you can do comfortably before you feel gassed? You said you feel stronger...can you not derive some satisfaction from that, and continue to work in that regard?

    I once worked with a nutritionist who was just starting out, and she had one crucial lesson that she said she'd live by until the day she died: your body knows EXACTLY what it's supposed to do. Feed it right, give it exercise, and it will blossom like the most beautiful flower...or resent it, and it will spite you in spades!

    Maybe you have to stop overthinking this? I realize this is probably annoying new age tripe to many...but I find that I look and feel better when I don't sweat stuff like this.

    And incidentally, no matter how much tighter and fitter your body gets (and it's already quite lovely), that smile of yours looks like it will always shine! icon_smile.gif I mean, you look like you could light up a room in a black out with that beautiful smile! icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 28, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    You, like 99.9% of all noobs that post here and most places on the Internet, are overtraining. Your metabolism will not support the punishment you're dealing it. Your results (or lack thereof) are stunningly obvious, and expected.

    Take 10-14 days off from lifting right now.

    Restart 3 days / week, 60 minutes max per workout.



    But nobody believes this advice.

    Ever.


    So then why do I still post it?

    I'm an existentialist, I guess.

    In a world where nothing matters, it doesn't matter that I speak into the void.

    * retreats into the darkness *



    PS You look freakin hot, so don't complain too much or I'm comin over to bitch slap you.

    ...

    Then toss you onto the bed and rip your clothes off.
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    Jan 28, 2011 5:02 AM GMT
    pelicanfly saidThe pics were taken with my iMac so it's possible the shitty photo quality could distort my possible results.
    =/ I apologize but I can't tell if you were talking to me or not. If you were, I also apologize for not stating in the first place that I meant macronutrients rather than apple PCs.
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    Jan 28, 2011 5:54 AM GMT
    TheIStrat saidI'd murder someone to look like you


    jeffy87 said
    TheIStrat saidI'd murder someone to look like you


    Ditto


    I'll help pile up the corpses, I hear ya man!

    To the OP:

    I do see some change in your waist to shoulder ratio; but if you are going for the Adonis ratio (where your shoulders are 1.6x your waist measurement) - you'll need to go heavier with fewer reps as others have already said.

    Keep up the dedication though... you are already well above average.
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    Jan 28, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    Thank you for the responses! And thank you for all the compliments guys icon_smile.gif.

    So I'm going to take a break from lifting until Monday and re-assess what I'm eating/doing. Someone said they were doing the 12 week RJ muscle-building workout and you get done in under an hour? I don't know how you're doing that sometimes they have up to 40 sets or more.