Why do I have to eat so much to get bigger?

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    Jan 27, 2011 11:51 PM GMT
    Why is it that everyone seems to point out that in order to get bigger you have to eat so much frigging food? I mean over 3000 calories? That just seems not feasible for my metabolism/stomach capacity. I'm 182lbs 6'0", I gained 12 lbs without over doing it with food. Anyway, this is what I would eat regularly which compared to what other guys have posted here seems pretty basic.

    Morning: fruit salad, orange juice or some cereal(occasional I might have some toast and that means no room for the fruit salad)

    Afternoon: chicken breast, baby greens and sometimes I get some soup.

    Night: fish, chicken or steak, probably with corn or salad or both.

    note: not big portions just your regular meal size

    I drink a protein shake post work out. Just 35g of pure protein mixed with water and glutamine. I also snack on strawberries, bananas, apples, cherries, carrots basically whatever I see sitting on the counter.


    Does everybody need to eat more than that to put on more muscle?
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    Jan 28, 2011 1:14 AM GMT
    Dude, I've seen your "before" pics. The improvement you've made is fucking incredible!
    That said, you've found what works for you; but that doesn't mean it'll work for everyone. Some people can pack on muscle with 2500 calories/day, and others may need 4000+. It all boils down to individual needs.
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    Jan 29, 2011 1:33 AM GMT
    guess you can thank your parents for a good genetic combo .
    and you probably don't have a super high metabolism.

    i've managed to put on 16 pounds lately but yeah, some fat came along which i now want to get rid of.
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    I was up to about 4000 calories and cutting cardio by 75% and it wasn't always "clean" eating .
    Could i have gained without eating that much ? .Possibly by doing a better monitoring .
    i don't "really" know what i'm doing , so i adjust according to what i feel and what i see.


    ... don't you get hungry by mid morning ?
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    Jan 29, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
    I have long said you are freak, Charlie
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    Jan 29, 2011 6:28 PM GMT
    Simply put, you can't expect to build an ever bigger wall with the same set of 20 bricks...

    Check out "From Scrawny to Brawny". Best book ever written on the topic, and a must-read for all weight-lifters.
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    Jan 29, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    Where are the carbs? I can't see any carbs in your diet. Apart from the toast.

    In your diet there are no potatoes, no pasta, very little bread and most importantly, no CAKE!

    Yikes!
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    Jan 29, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
    I eat exactly the same except one more shake in the morning...and the biggest portions ever. And Im more muscular but Im still 150lbs lol
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    Jan 29, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
    Hell, if it worked for you, great! I will be honest and say that I overdid the eating at first and gained more fat than was normal. But before when I would eat like regular just with an added protein shake, I would hardly gain anything. Now that I have been eating more I saw a huge difference. I have put on 15lbs since the fall. I learned a lot though such as not to overeat because I WILL gain too much fat, and to eat more carbs because I was hardly eating any.
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    Jan 29, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    Gave it some thought and it's clear to me you're not eating nearly enough. Your total daily calories should be well in excess of your your daily needs, as determined by your BMR and activity levels, inside and outside the gym.

    You should also focus on heavy compound lifts since these will elicit the kind of hormonal response conducive to muscle growth.

    It is important to monitor progress as well. In the absence of satisfactory results should prompt you to increase your caloric intake and / or modify your training routine.

    I'd stay away from all but the most basic cardio, and add a lot more protein to your diet (a minimum of 1g per lbs of bodyweight per day) as well as carbs.

    You might want to adjust for the particularities of your metabolism. Seems to me you must be very carb-tolerant.
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    Jan 29, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
    Carbs are protein sparing and provide energy that enhances exercise performance, as well as an insulin response that leads to more anabolism. With a poor diet, that's low in carbs such as the original poster here, gains will be minimal at best.

    When I'm at 4% fat, and very active, I'll approach nearly 5000 calories a day.

    This has all been covered in these forums, and forums like bodybuilding.com, over and over.

    Little One needs to quantify his food by weighing it, and recording the values. That will help him to understand why the diet he is on is sabotaging any gains.

    He's heard all this already, and from others here, too, but, refuses to accept the science. Until he does just that, he'll continue to have little to no gains.

    With any sort of activity level, the original poster should be getting 300 grams of carbs daily, or MORE. From what he's posted, he's likely getting around 100, or so, which is wholly inadequate. At times, I'll do as much as 1500 grams of carbs per day, and rarely less than 500 grams. Contest training, the lowest I'll go is about 150grams for carbs except for a carb deplete sequence.

    While he has brought up his protein, and isn't so starving as before, he's still missing the target without the carbs needed to drive an insulin response, fuel work, and speed the metabolism.

    Carbs bond in a 4-1 ratio with water, and promote that full look (glycogen).

    Little One needs to study glycogen loading, too.
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    Jan 29, 2011 8:16 PM GMT
    Chuckles, you need to read the OP before you press "play" on your rants.

    He´s made his astonishing gains without doing what you say. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 29, 2011 8:29 PM GMT
    Could you maybe fit in a morning and afternoon tea with a supper after dinner? I know it seems quaint and British, but that will help you get all the food you need to eat into your body without you feeling like you're stuffing yourself at each sitting.

    Why not try something small for starters like an apple with cheese and wheat crackers for morning tea, some plain strained/Greek yoghurt and pistachios for afternoon tea and something small just before you sleep, like a handful of almonds? If you're on the go or working, these are small five minute breaks at most.

    You could probably build up to more substantial meals from there. This isn't my area of expertise, so other guys could probably give you better suggestions.
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    Jan 29, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    lol @ people giving food advice to charlitos
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    Jan 30, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    i know, it's kind of telling god how to create a universe.
    but then.. i'm atheist.

    those damn mesomorphs... they just need to look at food and a dumbbell and boom! 10 pounds of muscle .
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    Jan 30, 2011 5:41 AM GMT
    snowboarder saidI eat exactly the same except one more shake in the morning...and the biggest portions ever. And Im more muscular but Im still 150lbs lol


    That lack of carbs is why you continue to fail.
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    Jan 30, 2011 5:46 AM GMT
    seeker213 said

    You should also focus on heavy compound lifts since these will elicit the kind of hormonal response conducive to muscle growth.

    It is important to monitor progress as well. In the absence of satisfactory results should prompt you to increase your caloric intake and / or modify your training routine.

    I'd stay away from all but the most basic cardio, and add a lot more protein to your diet (a minimum of 1g per lbs of bodyweight per day) as well as carbs.



    Wrong. Heavy lifting on anyone not chemically enhanced can lead to almost no androgen. Watch the series "The Human Machine." When you want volume for size, and higher reps, intense max lifts will leave you with little to no androgen. Do your homework here. Study hypertrophy and testosterone levels in weight lifters to become more fully informed. Less is often better. In fact, just this past week Real Jock posted an article about just that (what I've been telling folks for YEARS).

    With proper calories, there's no problem with doing cardio. The OP has almost no carbs in his diet, and is burning protein as fuel (think muscle and protein). Carbs are protein SPARING, and insulin promoting (insulin is THE most anabolic hormone of all), which drives anabolism. You need to study the various "pumps" to understand this.

    Cardio, especially HIIT, HELPS with the ability to perform higher work loads, and helps with cardiac threshold. Everyone should do HIIT, and not make poor eating an excuse for not doing HIIT.

    Carbs "fuel the furnace" / "make the flame burn hotter".
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    Jan 30, 2011 5:49 AM GMT
    Good for you.

    Stop rubbing it in.
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    Jan 30, 2011 5:50 AM GMT
    KyleAD saidGood for you.

    Stop rubbing it in.


    Poor kid. No one is rubbing it in. You're being told how it works, and how to go about it, but, aren't smart enough to realize that.

    LOL.

    It's all science. You can chose to work with that science, or not.
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    Jan 30, 2011 5:53 AM GMT
    Chucky, I think you misinterpret internet humor...
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    Jan 30, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    seeker213 said

    You should also focus on heavy compound lifts since these will elicit the kind of hormonal response conducive to muscle growth.

    It is important to monitor progress as well. In the absence of satisfactory results should prompt you to increase your caloric intake and / or modify your training routine.

    I'd stay away from all but the most basic cardio, and add a lot more protein to your diet (a minimum of 1g per lbs of bodyweight per day) as well as carbs.



    Wrong. Heavy lifting on anyone not chemically enhanced can lead to almost no androgen. Watch the series "The Human Machine." When you want volume for size, and higher reps, intense max lifts will leave you with little to no androgen. Do your homework here. Study hypertrophy and testosterone levels in weight lifters to become more fully informed. Less is often better. In fact, just this past week Real Jock posted an article about just that (what I've been telling folks for YEARS).

    With proper calories, there's no problem with doing cardio. The OP has almost no carbs in his diet, and is burning protein as fuel (think muscle and protein). Carbs are protein SPARING, and insulin promoting (insulin is THE most anabolic hormone of all), which drives anabolism. You need to study the various "pumps" to understand this.

    Cardio, especially HIIT, HELPS with the ability to perform higher work loads, and helps with cardiac threshold. Everyone should do HIIT, and not make poor eating an excuse for not doing HIIT.

    Carbs "fuel the furnace" / "make the flame burn hotter".


    When building muscle is the goal, cardio needs to be kept at a minimum, especially when you need to fight for every ounce of muscle you gain. Everybody knows this.

    A couple of brief, intense cardio workouts per week is all you need to maintain good cardio vascular health. As long as you keep your cardio training to a minimum and as far remove from your lifting as possible, you'll do fine. HIIT is an excellent option, approx twice a week.

    Short, intense (as measured by a high percentage of 1RM) training promotes the release of the all-natural muscle-building hormones such as growth hormone and testosterone. Long, drawn-out workouts have the effect of releasing too much of the muscle-eating hormone cortisol.

    In order to bulk up, the hupertrophy prone type IIb muscles need to be your primary area of focus. The best way to get these fibers growing is with heavy weights an relativel low reps.

    The truth, in all of its simplicity, is that in order to get big, you have to lift big and eat big. Let's not allow self-serving faux-savant theories distract us from it.

    As we say in French: "La culture, c'est comme la confiture. Moins on en a, et plus on l'étale" haha

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    Jan 31, 2011 2:04 AM GMT
    Lostboy saidChuckles, you need to read the OP before you press "play" on your rants.
    He´s made his astonishing gains without doing what you say. icon_rolleyes.gif


    And I thought I was the only one who understood the point of the OP.
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    Jan 31, 2011 2:50 AM GMT
    Sometimes your metabolism runs REALLY fast. So what works for you may not work for the skinny teenager next door.

    I mean- as for me, I'm pretty sure that I have to eat leaner than most since I was 300 lbs at some point, but my friend, who's the same height at 145 lbs lacks the ability to gain weight. It's totally by genetics. I mean- also take these two- Shawn* and Brandon**. They are somewhat on par with weight/bmi. Brandon seems to require more calories than Shawn does. Does that make sense?

    *http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/shawn-kijewski.html
    ** http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/brandon-ghiassi.htm
  • barriehomeboy

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    Jan 31, 2011 2:57 AM GMT
    Good to see you're getting closer to me, and to infinite happiness! If you need nutritional advice, I'd suggest you consult a nutritionist. If you need lonely shut-in advice, keep listening to the guys on RealJock. Dude, look in the mirror. Are you doing anything wrong? No.
  • TheIStrat

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    Jan 31, 2011 3:07 AM GMT
    Because your metabolism is fast as shit. Be grateful you got the muscles you do because I've been trying for years and I STILL look like a highschooler

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    Jan 31, 2011 6:17 AM GMT
    I wasnt expecting advices on how to change my diet so that I can gain weight. I was basically wondering if before telling everyone eat eat eat and eat why don't you first try to understand how every individual works physically.

    I have never eaten more than I felt like eating period. I was in the army for 2 years when i was 18 and got used to eat very little. I used to be 125lbs 2 and a half years ago and now I'm 182lbs, 9% body fat, so this thread wasn't made to get advice on nutrition.

    Right now I eat more than What i used to eat 3 years ago, since I started working out I've gotten hungrier but not to the point of what most people seem to be eating here. I eat when Im hungry thats it, I don't EAT EAT EAT EAT just because.

    My diet changes depending on many factors but the portions are still the same. I eat less carbs if there's a photoshoot coming but I still have some oatmeal, brown rice, sweet potatos, potatoes etc. When there's nothing coming up at all I'm less careful....

    Ive never over eaten so I cant hep to wonder what would happen to my body as it is if I follow this advice.