EGYPT -- Looking pretty scary over there

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 28, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    I'm watching the riots going on right now in Egypt, and it's really unbelievable to watch. The whole country seems to be in uphieval. Wow! It's pretty scary when you think that Cairo is TWICE the size of New York City. Can you imagine this happening in Manhattan? icon_eek.gif


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110128/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_protest


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Czslbh_Bnw
  • rnch

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    Jan 28, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
    hope we don't get a replay of the "students" chanting "death to America" and throwing rocks at the American embasy... icon_exclaim.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 29, 2011 3:38 AM GMT


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    Jan 29, 2011 4:16 AM GMT
    That's the outcome of an entire generation left in poverty while a small percentage of the population hoards all the wealth, or the US in 10-15 years if things don't improve.
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    Jan 29, 2011 4:19 AM GMT
    Actually, this makes me happy. I like it when people who feel repressed stand up and fight for their freedoms. I'm glad the number of casualties are low so far. Tomorrow will be a defining day.
  • musclmed

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    Jan 29, 2011 6:02 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidThat's the outcome of an entire generation left in poverty while a small percentage of the population hoards all the wealth, or the US in 10-15 years if things don't improve.


    This is even scarier.... our Vice President doesnt think hes a dictator.

    Im sure its playing out real nice over in Egypt.


    He "speaks to him fairly regularly".... Monthly?

    ....nice im sure that will echo on Al-geziera for a while.


    Why Quail got destroyed in the media and this guy gets a pass is beyond me.

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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/140923-biden-mubarak-not-a-dictator-protests-not-like-eastern-europe[/url]


  • GQjock

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    Jan 29, 2011 6:45 AM GMT
    While it's inevitable that this was going to happen
    ..... given that the population is vastly under the age of 25
    and a huge percentage of that group is both educated and unemployed
    That's a recipe for revolution

    The bad thing is we've been friends with the Mubarak regime
    and don't think that's not going to be forgotten
    I hope that this doesn't mimic the Islamic revolution that happened in Iran
    The American Government is warning people Not to go to the American Embassy there and that's probably because they are worried that history is going to repeat itself
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    Jan 29, 2011 7:36 AM GMT
    GQjock saidI hope that this doesn't mimic the Islamic revolution that happened in Iran


    agreed
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    Jan 29, 2011 8:09 AM GMT
    Actually Cairo has only 7.8 Million people, compared to New York City's 8.4 million. And don't forget that Manhattan is only one part of NYC. It's relatively small at "only" 1.6 Million.

    Kind of off topic perhaps, but incorrect statistics are a pet peeve of mine...
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    Jan 29, 2011 8:51 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidMajority of Egyptians are poor under Mubarak's rule. That is why many Egyptians are against him. This whole thing have nothing to do with religion. Christians are fighting against Mubarak too.


    Well it does and it doesn't. The U.S. put him in charge right? However the U.S. is not responsible for what he does 30 years later. People want change. However groups that help motivate that change more than others appear to be religious groups.
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    Jan 29, 2011 10:14 AM GMT
    musclmed said... Why Quail got destroyed in the media and this guy gets a pass is beyond me.

    Biden - Democratic, media likes
    Quayle - Republican, media doesn't like

    Think term "Democrat" versus "Democratic" is correct here, referring to a person, but without "ic" is now considered insulting. Lol
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    Jan 29, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    How terrible! I've read that certain airlines are running extra flights to evacuate their citizens such as SAS for those living in Scandanavia. I've also read that the airport is shutdown and that Egypt Air has canceled all of their flights! Tourists and non-Egyptians are reportedly leaving the country in droves.

    Why again did we support Mubarak some 30 years ago? Yet another reason we really need to stay out of foreign affairs.
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    Jan 29, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    Columbusite saidHow terrible! I've read that certain airlines are running extra flights to evacuate their citizens such as SAS for those living in Scandanavia. I've also read that the airport is shutdown and that Egypt Air has canceled all of their flights! Tourists and non-Egyptians are reportedly leaving the country in droves.

    Why again did we support Mubarak some 30 years ago? Yet another reason we really need to stay out of foreign affairs.






    I just read that numerous spent tear gas canisters have been found with "MADE IN USA" stamped on them. OH NOW THATS GREAT !!!!!

    AMEN to your last sentence, The US with the help of its CIA manipulating things to promote "our interests' have totally fucked up our reputation in the Middle East and around the world.

    The patriotic thing for Americans to do now it to demand an end to this kind of shit and push for our country to seek out and perfect other forms of energy, as well as end the prominence of big oil Corps running our energy dept. for "their interests".


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    Jan 29, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    Columbusite saidHow terrible! I've read that certain airlines are running extra flights to evacuate their citizens such as SAS for those living in Scandanavia. I've also read that the airport is shutdown and that Egypt Air has canceled all of their flights! Tourists and non-Egyptians are reportedly leaving the country in droves.

    Why again did we support Mubarak some 30 years ago? Yet another reason we really need to stay out of foreign affairs.


    After Sadat was eliminated the support was put behind him as he was in the government.

    Sadat had made peace overtures to the Israelis.

    It is a lesser of two evils.

    What we have in Islamic countries is a battle between religion and western style democracy.

    Egypt has alot of growing to do, and it should be done by itself. Leaders from Al-queda were born out of Egypts political battles between Jihaddis and level headed sectarians.
    This is a delicate matter but VP BIDEN sure didnt make matters better with his comments.
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    Jan 29, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    Ask yourself why "Tunisia" is happening in Egypt but not Libya (where Qaddafi has been ruling for nearly 40 years) or Syria (where the Assad family has been ruling for just over 40 years).

    Mubarak succeeded Sadat after he was assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood.
    (For, amongst other things, making peace with Israel and securing $2 Billion in US aid.)

    Removing Mubarak is the easy part.
    The hard part is what happens after that.
    (Just like in Iraq!)
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    Jan 29, 2011 7:44 PM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidAsk yourself why "Tunisia" is happening in Egypt but not Libya (where Qaddafi has been ruling for nearly 40 years) or Syria (where the Assad family has been ruling for just over 40 years).

    Mubarak succeeded Sadat after he was assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood.
    (For, amongst other things, making peace with Israel and securing $2 Billion in US aid.)

    Removing Mubarak is the easy part.
    The hard part is what happens after that.
    (Just like in Iraq!)




    SPARE US OF YOUR ZIONIST PROPAGANDA HERE !!!!! PLEASE !!!!!
  • metta

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    Jan 30, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
    Sign the Solidarity statement
    Full petition text:
    "We stand with the people of Egypt in their demand for freedom and basic rights, an end to the crackdown and internet blackout, and immediate democratic reform. We call on our governments to join us in our solidarity with the Egyptian people."


    http://pol.moveon.org/standwithegypt/?id=25944-1151871-H0pXWAx&t=2
  • metta

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    Jan 30, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    China Microblogs Block Chinese Word for 'Egypt'


    http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/218185/china_microblogs_block_chinese_word_for_egypt.html


    The turmoil in Egypt is the inevitable result of a government that placated Washington for years in defiance of the wishes of its own people

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-29/egypt-why-washington-cant-stop-the-revolution/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL1
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    Jan 30, 2011 6:20 AM GMT
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    Jan 30, 2011 6:39 AM GMT
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    Jan 30, 2011 7:06 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidPhotobucket



    if you cannot contribute something of more substance than this, please don't bother !!!! This sure isn't the time to be putting a people down with a pic like this when they're trying to get out from under a tyrant leader, who keeps them very poor.
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    Jan 30, 2011 7:12 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    JAKEBENSON saidPhotobucket



    if you cannot contribute something of more substance than this, please don't bother !!!! This sure isn't the time to be putting a people down with a pic like this when they're trying to get out from under a tyrant leader, who keeps them very poor.


    Meanwhile inside realifedad's head

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    Jan 30, 2011 1:39 PM GMT
    What is truly awful---a source of great shame for us in the US---is the use of US-sourced weapons to suppress the dissent:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-live-updates
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 30, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    It is difficult to watch. I find it interesting that they took a cue from the
    Tunisians. I heard this morning the death count has gone up significantly.
    and looting and rioting has increased.

    Hopefully, a political solution can come quickly that will appease the masses, but it sounds like that won't happen unless there is real change, meaning Mubarak will be gone, either immediately or very soon.
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    Jan 30, 2011 2:41 PM GMT

    From CTV news:
    "Bush, Mubarak would welcome Gaza withdrawal

    Updated: Mon Apr. 12 2004 11:33:36 PM

    Associated Press

    CRAWFORD, Texas — U.S. President George W. Bush and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak gave qualified support Monday to the idea of Israeli withdrawal from some Arab areas but said it must be part of a Middle East peace agreement that would establish a Palestinian state.

    Beginning an intense focus on the Middle East, Bush welcomed the Egyptian leader to his Texas ranch where talks centred on Israeli Prime Minister Arial Sharon's plan for a unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

    Bush said he would not prejudge what Sharon would tell him at a White House meeting Wednesday. The president referred to Sharon's plan as "rumours of such a withdrawal."

    But in a joint statement released Monday evening, the two leaders said: "We believe that an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank can, under the right conditions, and if it is within the context of the implementation of the `road map' and President Bush's vision, be a significant step forward."

    Bush and Mubarak also discussed the surge of violence in Iraq. Bush said conditions have improved in recent days, referring to a tenuous truce in Fallujah, while Mubarak expressed "serious concerns about the current state of affairs, particularly in the security and the humanitarian areas."

    Like other Arab leaders, Mubarak worries that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza might be Sharon's way of holding on indefinitely to other occupied Arab land.

    Just hours before flying to the United States, Sharon said Israel would seek to retain five large West Bank settlement blocs. A unilateral Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and parts of the West Bank is good for Israel's security and will strengthen large West Bank settlements, he said.

    Mubarak and Bush agreed that an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza would mark a positive step if it is part of the road map, the U.S. formula for a peace agreement and a future Palestinian state.

    "I think any withdrawal from the occupied territory is very highly appreciated," Mubarak said. But he said if it is not connected with the road map, "It will not be accepted by the public opinion in the area."

    Bush said: "If he were to withdraw from the Gaza, it would be a positive development."

    The Gaza pullout, which includes the evacuation of all 21 settlements in the strip, is among a series of unilateral measures Sharon has proposed to separate Israelis and Palestinians in the absence of a peace agreement.

    Bush offered an appeal for true peace in the entire Middle East, "not just a pause between wars."

    "We also believe the future of the Middle East and the future of Iraq are closely linked," Bush said. "The people of the greater Middle East have a right to be safe, secure, prosperous and free."

    But, Bush said, a Palestinian state would remain in jeopardy "if terrorists are willing to kill" in order to interrupt progress. "We can't let people blow up the process, but that's what's happening," Bush said.

    "It's a very complicated problem," Mubarak said.