Cultural Deficit?

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    Jan 30, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
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    Seriously --- what happened? icon_eek.gif
  • rnch

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    Jan 30, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    ah yes, ella fitzgerald, sarah vaughn, lena horne, kaye starr, doris day, jo stafford, linda ronstadt...all classy song stylists that sound as fresh and melodius now as they did then. icon_cool.gif

    makes you wonder what of the derivative crappppppp that passed for "top 40" music today will be playing on the oldies channels30, 40 or 50 years from now. icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 31, 2011 12:53 AM GMT
    Oh it will, but purely out of nostalgia.

    You can go back any decade and find crap popular music as well as the real artists. You will find music stations that play both kinds of music today, sometimes on the same station.

    In the future, one type of musician will be remembered as a joke and the other will be performing in Lincoln Center.
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    Jan 31, 2011 1:37 AM GMT
    Well in the first vid she's singing
    In the second vid he's spouting words to a beat.
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    Jan 31, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    To be fair pbsny, Ella was merely singing about a lost basket in that vid, hardly cultural capital in that instance lol

    You can find culturally significant artists in contemporary music should you search for them. There are many artists who put out this type of work. They tend not to be as successful as mainstream top 10 (some have been though, e.g Lauren Hill)

    Furthermore, culture evolves. Our ideals may not tally with modern western culture or the music which reflects it, but that shouldn't suggest one doesn't exist.
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    Jan 31, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    pbsny said
    Seriously --- what happened? icon_eek.gif


    Truth became relative and postmodernism happened.
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    Jan 31, 2011 2:00 AM GMT
    Ermine saidOh it will, but purely out of nostalgia.

    You can go back any decade and find crap popular music as well as the real artists. You will find music stations that play both kinds of music today, sometimes on the same station.

    In the future, one type of musician will be remembered as a joke and the other will be performing in Lincoln Center.


    See, the thing is that this song was one of the most popular of the 1930's! I look at the "Top 40" charts from back then and I can't find anything wrong with any of those songs. Sure, they might be silly, but they didn't have to appeal to sex in order to be popular - they were popular because they were good!
    I sure hope you're right about the future though :-)
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    Jan 31, 2011 4:26 AM GMT
    They have to appeal to sex. If they don't they aren't going to make money. It's what our generation is appealed to. Times change, and not just in music. Look at the clothing from the 20's and 30's, women wearing flapper dresses and such and now they are wearing short shorts and skirts short enough to see the start of their asses. Entertainment has to keep up with the times or else it will fail. That is what happened. Nothing you can really do about it except accept the fact and ENJOY LUDDDAAAA!!!!!!!
  • Sparkycat

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    Jan 31, 2011 4:27 AM GMT
    I wonder if it's just a coincidence that Ella is sitting at the back of the bus?
  • swimmermatt10...

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    Jan 31, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    Sparkycat saidI wonder if it's just a coincidence that Ella is sitting at the back of the bus?


    Really?
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    Feb 10, 2011 3:29 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    pbsny saidSee, the thing is that this song was one of the most popular of the 1930's! I look at the "Top 40" charts from back then and I can't find anything wrong with any of those songs. Sure, they might be silly, but they didn't have to appeal to sex in order to be popular - they were popular because they were good!
    I sure hope you're right about the future though :-)

    There were plenty of naughty songs in that era. Ethel Waters, long before she turned all Jesus-y, recorded several, including "Shake That Thing" and "Go Back Where You Stayed Last Night".


    The funny thing is that the lyrics to "Shake that thing" are quite similar to the lyrics of the modern song I posted (without all the prostitution innuendo, of course). You proved me wrong icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 10, 2011 2:26 PM GMT
    swimmermatt101 saidThey have to appeal to sex. If they don't they aren't going to make money. It's what our generation is appealed to. Times change, and not just in music. Look at the clothing from the 20's and 30's, women wearing flapper dresses and such and now they are wearing short shorts and skirts short enough to see the start of their asses. Entertainment has to keep up with the times or else it will fail. That is what happened. Nothing you can really do about it except accept the fact and ENJOY LUDDDAAAA!!!!!!!


    No wonder this gen sux. But there's proof otherwise. I'm just one of countless young people who indeed appreciate the oldie goldies and think Hollywood is getting crappy. Without Clint Eastwood, Chris Nolan, decent adaptations, comics, among other things, that industry is a load of bullshit remakes, and I'm sure Jon Stewart agrees.