Chris Christie to Illinois Businesses: Come to Jersey

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    Jan 31, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
    Reference: http://blog.eyeblast.tv/2011/01/chris-christie-to-illinois-businesses-come-to-jersey/



    More: "Christie even plans to go to Illinois personally and try to bring businesses back to New Jersey with him. The [NYT] piece also describes how other governors are looking to pick off businesses. So Christie isn’t alone in his pursuit but he is, perhaps, the boldest right now"
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    Jan 31, 2011 5:35 AM GMT
    jprichva saidOh right. Businesses no doubt are just slavering at the thought of relocating to a place where the infrastructure is crumbling and the fat slob governor actually derails plans to improve it because he wants to bolster his rightwingery for an eventual presidential run. In between eating KFC double stackers, that is.

    The CEOs have got to be laughing their asses off.


    Either that or they're planning their move out of Illinois. Not sure they're going to New Jersey, but I'm going to bet a lot of them are questioning the economics of staying in Illionois.
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    Jan 31, 2011 7:25 AM GMT
    We have civil unions in Illinois - do they have that in New Jersey?
    Also, sure, the taxes in Illinois are going up, but our bills will be paid. Can they say that in New Jersey?
    No thanks.
    BTW, wonder if Christie will make a personal appeal to McDonalds to move from Illinois to Jersey...
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    Jan 31, 2011 10:46 AM GMT
    shoelessj saidWe have civil unions in Illinois - do they have that in New Jersey?
    Also, sure, the taxes in Illinois are going up, but our bills will be paid. Can they say that in New Jersey?
    No thanks.
    BTW, wonder if Christie will make a personal appeal to McDonalds to move from Illinois to Jersey...

    Do you honestly believe that many businesses really care if New Jersey has civil unions? I don't know what the difference in tax rates are, but if it is substantially lower they are not going to care if their employees can not have a civil union. Give a business a 5% lower tax rate and they are not going to care who may face discrimination (no civil unions.)

    jprichva saidOh right. Businesses no doubt are just slavering at the thought of relocating to a place where the infrastructure is crumbling and the fat slob governor actually derails plans to improve it... The CEOs have got to be laughing their asses off.

    Probably laughing their asses off while asking their accountant how much extra $$$ they would bring in each year. For some reason, people seem to be assigning business morals even though their main goal is to generate money. The multinationals have moved their labour forces to China and India (who undoubtedly have more freedom for gays and better infrastructure than they do in New Jersey under a "fat slob") If IBM is willing to manufacture their goods in a factory run by what amounts to slave labour, move their call centers to Mumbai and fire as many employees in N.America as possible, do you think if they had a distribution warehouse in Illinois that they would be bothered that there are potholes in New Jersey, provided it made financial sense to relocate?

    Finally, I have noticed that the two threads which are against him bring up his weight... what the hell does that have to do with politics and tax rates? Anybody else notice that Bill (Clinton) has put on a few extra pound as of late? Must mean that he is a worse person now with no ability to govern, eh?

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    Jan 31, 2011 11:15 AM GMT
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    Finally, I have noticed that the two threads which are against him bring up his weight... what the hell does that have to do with politics and tax rates? Anybody else notice that Bill (Clinton) has put on a few extra pound as of late? Must mean that he is a worse person now with no ability to govern, eh?



    Well, he can't govern because he's an ideologue. His weight gets brought up, I believe, because of his intensely nasty and personal attacks against union workers, particularly teachers. Christie has claimed they're lazy, indifferent to their students, and greedy; all in an attempt to demonize his political opposition.
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    Feb 01, 2011 7:02 AM GMT


    Finally, I have noticed that the two threads which are against him bring up his weight... what the hell does that have to do with politics and tax rates?

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    learn to count -- i see one thread that mocks him because he's fat. i didn't do so. i just wondered if he'd personally appeal to mcdonald's to move to jersey because they are headquartered in illinois, just as i wonder if he'd personally appeal to kraft foods, sara lee, boeing, united airlines, john deere, caterpillar, etc.

    and how is new jersey's financial state?

    New Jersey’s deficit for the current fiscal year was projected at $10.7 billion last spring. The state’s deficit for next fiscal year is now projected at around $10.5 billion. At that rate, his budget will be balanced in about 53 years. He managed to cut a whooping $200 million from the budget this year. How's he planning to do that? By slashing medicaid payments, of course! And, he's planning to skip out on $2.5 BILLION of the state's pension payments this year!

    Again, what has he done and who is he to try to get businesses to move from illinois?

    The decisions made by the Democrats of Illinois (the republicans had no plan) to get the state in financial order weren't popular and may cost some of them their jobs, but it is avoiding the sort of financial apocalypse that is looming for new jersey.

    by the way, the personal income tax in illinois is till lower, significantly so, than new jersey's. for people earning more than $500,000 a year -- the ones making the decision to move or not, Illinois' personal income tax level is about 3.7 percent lower than that of new jersey. for those making between $150K and $500K, it's about 1.5% lower than new jersey's.
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    Feb 01, 2011 9:42 AM GMT
    shoelessj said
    learn to count -- i see one thread that mocks him because he's fat...

    by the way, the personal income tax in illinois is till lower, significantly so, than new jersey's. for people earning more than $500,000 a year -- the ones making the decision to move or not, Illinois' personal income tax level is about 3.7 percent lower than that of new jersey. for those making between $150K and $500K, it's about 1.5% lower than new jersey's.

    I do recall (now) that McDonalds HQ is in Illinois... it is not something that I normally think about. It just seemed like a dig at getting fast food restaurants to move (as though NJ does not have enough for Christie.)

    Again, I don't think that a corporation will care about the overall health of NJ, so long as corporate taxes are lower. You make a good point with the personal income tax, and that is what might keep companies from moving. Like I said, I don't know what the corporate income tax, personal income tax or sales tax rates are. I don't own a business in that part of the world and have no reason to spend days or weeks looking at the profitability of moving vs. staying. The point of my post is that corporations have no souls. The posts saying they would not move were based on crumbling infrastructure and the lack of civil unions... not reasons that a corporation would refuse to move. Personal income tax... so long as the owner and upper management has to move with the company MIGHT be a reason for them to remain (depending on about 1500 other factors.)

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    Feb 01, 2011 9:54 AM GMT
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    Well, he can't govern because he's an ideologue. His weight gets brought up, I believe, because of his intensely nasty and personal attacks against union workers, particularly teachers. Christie has claimed they're lazy, indifferent to their students, and greedy; all in an attempt to demonize his political opposition.

    Would these be the same teachers whose union publically wished for his death? This was written by the head of the union, Joseph Copolla (to his credit, he did later apologize.)
    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/04/new_jersey_teachers_union_pray.html
    ...a memo sent out by the New Jersey Education Association stupidly contained the following prayer:

    "Dear Lord: This year you have taken away my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze, my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett, my favorite singer, Michael Jackson, and my favorite salesman, Billy Mays ... I just wanted to let you know that Chris Christie is my favorite governor."

    Don't get me wrong, I understand it was a "joke", but I wonder if a deranged person shoots him at a rally if we get to blame the union for his death? Really, I think that the ship of civility between him and unions has sailed many times over in both directions. I just hope for better when it comes to arguments than using his weight as a factor.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said

    Well, he can't govern because he's an ideologue. His weight gets brought up, I believe, because of his intensely nasty and personal attacks against union workers, particularly teachers. Christie has claimed they're lazy, indifferent to their students, and greedy; all in an attempt to demonize his political opposition.

    Would these be the same teachers whose union publically wished for his death? This was written by the head of the union, Joseph Copolla (to his credit, he did later apologize.)
    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/04/new_jersey_teachers_union_pray.html
    ...a memo sent out by the New Jersey Education Association stupidly contained the following prayer:

    "Dear Lord: This year you have taken away my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze, my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett, my favorite singer, Michael Jackson, and my favorite salesman, Billy Mays ... I just wanted to let you know that Chris Christie is my favorite governor."

    Don't get me wrong, I understand it was a "joke", but I wonder if a deranged person shoots him at a rally if we get to blame the union for his death? Really, I think that the ship of civility between him and unions has sailed many times over in both directions. I just hope for better when it comes to arguments than using his weight as a factor.


    First, can we agree that obvious jokes are not the same thing as suggesting an election loss will lead to "second amendment remedies"?

    That said, Christie is scapegoating the unions for the failure of his and previous (including Democratic) administrations to live up to their pension obligations for the unions. Now that those pension obligations - funded by the unions but not the state - are threatening the state's well-being, he's attacking the unions.
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    Feb 01, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    Mitch Daniels already beat him to the punch. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 01, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    Chris Christie is great, I hope he runs for president.
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    Feb 07, 2011 6:35 AM GMT
    Then there's this:
    http://chicagoist.com/2011/02/04/christie_in_chicago_to_take_our_jer.php

    While Christie (as well as the govs of Wisc. and Ind.) huffs and puffs about luring corporations from Illinois, Pat Quinn gets together with Mitsubishi, who announce they are expanding operations at their Normal, Ill. (don't you love the name of that town?) plant, which will bring 1,200 + jobs to the Land of Lincoln.
    I believe, as well, that there have also been plans to increase production at the Ford plant at the far south side of chicago. And a couple weeks back, Quinn got a recycling firm that was headquartered just over the Mississippi, in Missouri, to relocate to the really destitute East St. Louis, Ill. area.

    Hey, I'm sure new jersey is a wonderful place in some ways, and i'm not thrilled that pat quinn didn't really tell us the truth about how much he'd raise taxes but it does seem that he's actually doing his part by bringing businesses to Illinois or keeping the ones that are here, here.

    And I realize that CEOs and CFOs may not care about civil unions, but i think it's a pretty big deal to regular folks who may at some point face the decision of whether to relocate for employment or consider moving if they get a job offer from out of state.