HIV transmission thru saliva: what's the latest "opinion"?

  • rnch

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    Jan 31, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    i've read contradicting opinions on HIV transmission via oral sex...yes..no...perhaps...

    what's the latest, current thinking/opinions on HIV transmission thru saliva from kisssing and deep ("french") kissing?
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    Jan 31, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    from what ive heard there have been no reported cases of the receiver of the blow job contracting it. it's more likely to get it if you are sucking. that can happen a variety of ways, but one of the biggest risk factors is if you have any cuts or lesions in your mouth because it gives the virus a direct path into the blood screen.

    i dont think the risk is that big, but you should know that it can happen.
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    Jan 31, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    ^True. I think it's also one of the reasons some people discourage giving oral too soon after you've just brushed your teeth. If you need to freshen your breath, stick to mouthwash.
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    Jan 31, 2011 5:52 PM GMT
    Vancouverite2004 said^True. I think it's also one of the reasons some people discourage giving oral too soon after you've just brushed your teeth. If you need to freshen your breath, stick to mouthwash.

    This is what I always did, since brushing can open your gums a little, and in my case I sometimes even see a bit of blood.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
    rnch saidi've read contradicting opinions on HIV transmission via oral sex...yes..no...perhaps...

    what's the latest, current thinking/opinions on HIV transmission thru saliva from kisssing and deep ("french") kissing?

    there are no reported transmissions through kissing. So slobber away.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:23 AM GMT
    bhp91126 said
    rnch saidi've read contradicting opinions on HIV transmission via oral sex...yes..no...perhaps...

    what's the latest, current thinking/opinions on HIV transmission thru saliva from kisssing and deep ("french") kissing?

    there are no reported transmissions through kissing. So slobber away.

    "Reported" in the key word, since no one has devised reliable studies on this subject. And anecdotal reports are untrustworthy.

    I did kiss my late HIV-poz partner on the lips daily, and even French kissed, and I remain negative. But my own experience remains anecdotal, unscientific, and may merely represent good fortune on my part. It would not establish the actual risk I may have been facing.
  • TheIStrat

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    Feb 01, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    I heard the chances of that happening are astronomically low. Something having to do with the fact that hiv is very sparse in the saliva as opposed to vaginal, anal, seminal, or blood fluids
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:33 AM GMT
    After copious amounts of saliva I have shred with people with HIV, over the past 30 years; and still one is HIV neg, I doubt it is an issue, maybe unless someones immune system is already compromised by Diabetes or something. I still have no fear of kissing a guy who is HIV.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
    The only way to get HIV through kissing is if both of your mouths were bleeding. And it would probably have to be a lot.

    Also, it is almost impossible to get HIV through oral sex. Again, there would have to be a cut in the receiver's mouth.
  • Vaughn

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    Feb 01, 2011 1:38 AM GMT
    My doctor tells me that sores in your mouth are very common. It is not known how many cases there are where AIDs was contracted from oral sex. People tend to contract AIDs after high school and the last time I remember hearing that someone gives head but won't go all the way was then.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Feb 01, 2011 1:40 AM GMT
    As stated, the issue is blood, rather than saliva. Also, if it's oral sex, secretions from the penis are an issue as well, even before ejaculation.
  • Vaughn

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    Feb 01, 2011 1:42 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    bhp91126 said
    rnch saidi've read contradicting opinions on HIV transmission via oral sex...yes..no...perhaps...

    what's the latest, current thinking/opinions on HIV transmission thru saliva from kisssing and deep ("french") kissing?

    there are no reported transmissions through kissing. So slobber away.

    "Reported" in the key word, since no one has devised reliable studies on this subject. And anecdotal reports are untrustworthy.

    I did kiss my late HIV-poz partner on the lips daily, and even French kissed, and I remain negative. But my own experience remains anecdotal, unscientific, and may merely represent good fortune on my part. It would not establish the actual risk I may have been facing.


    Exactly, and it's AIDs. It isn't wise to make such decisions because you think it's okay or no one is sure how safe it is. Please be careful people. Don't blow too many strangers. I know someone who contracted aids in a fight when someone's fist was cut on his braces.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    This might be of some help. Many, many questions on the topic...here's a complete line up of some. Click through to read medical professional opinions.

    http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Oral/Archive/Risk/


    For the OP: a post specific to french kissing.
    http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/TransmissionSexual/Q195954.html
  • Vaughn

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    Feb 01, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidAs stated, the issue is blood, rather than saliva. Also, if it's oral sex, secretions from the penis are an issue as well, even before ejaculation.


    Where there is white blood cells there is concern.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:44 AM GMT
    Again, and I actually do this for a living, it is almost impossible to contract HIV through oral sex. Period.

    If I knew someone was positive, would I make him wear a condom? Yes. But still.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:44 AM GMT
    kubrickfan saidThe only way to get HIV through kissing is if both of your mouths were bleeding. And it would probably have to be a lot.

    Also, it is almost impossible to get HIV through oral sex. Again, there would have to be a cut in the receiver's mouth, and a cut on the other guy's penis.


    Hey, sorry, going to pipe up here - only because this is a pretty serious issue and it's best when false information doesn't go floating around. Yes, there must be blood involved on the receiver's end because the retrovirus must enter the bloodstream. However, the person with the disease can spread it through blood, semen, or even pre-ejaculate fluid. There doesn't have to be "a cut on the other guy's penis".
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    Yes you're right! I didn't proofread. Will edit that. But still, very very slim.
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:57 AM GMT
    Vaughn said
    Art_Deco said
    bhp91126 said
    rnch saidi've read contradicting opinions on HIV transmission via oral sex...yes..no...perhaps...

    what's the latest, current thinking/opinions on HIV transmission thru saliva from kisssing and deep ("french") kissing?

    there are no reported transmissions through kissing. So slobber away.

    "Reported" in the key word, since no one has devised reliable studies on this subject. And anecdotal reports are untrustworthy.

    I did kiss my late HIV-poz partner on the lips daily, and even French kissed, and I remain negative. But my own experience remains anecdotal, unscientific, and may merely represent good fortune on my part. It would not establish the actual risk I may have been facing.


    Exactly, and it's AIDs. It isn't wise to make such decisions because you think it's okay or no one is sure how safe it is. Please be careful people. Don't blow too many strangers. I know someone who contracted aids in a fight when someone's fist was cut on his braces.
    Do you have the slightest idea as to what "AIDS" is and "HIV" is?
    Find out.
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    Feb 01, 2011 2:04 AM GMT
    This is a more reader friendly summary from a university. (A great table, if you scroll down to 'What is risky sex?')

    http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=pb-daily-sex#S4X
  • barriehomeboy

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    Feb 01, 2011 2:23 AM GMT
    The virus explodes, through osmosis, when it's in an environment less salty that blood. Saliva kills the virus.
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    Feb 01, 2011 2:25 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    Vaughn said
    Art_Deco said
    bhp91126 said
    rnch saidi've read contradicting opinions on HIV transmission via oral sex...yes..no...perhaps...

    what's the latest, current thinking/opinions on HIV transmission thru saliva from kisssing and deep ("french") kissing?

    there are no reported transmissions through kissing. So slobber away.

    "Reported" in the key word, since no one has devised reliable studies on this subject. And anecdotal reports are untrustworthy.

    I did kiss my late HIV-poz partner on the lips daily, and even French kissed, and I remain negative. But my own experience remains anecdotal, unscientific, and may merely represent good fortune on my part. It would not establish the actual risk I may have been facing.


    Exactly, and it's AIDs. It isn't wise to make such decisions because you think it's okay or no one is sure how safe it is. Please be careful people. Don't blow too many strangers. I know someone who contracted aids in a fight when someone's fist was cut on his braces.
    Do you have the slightest idea as to what "AIDS" is and "HIV" is?
    Find out.

    Thank you. That was bugging me too. It's not the plural of AID. AIDS=Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome
    You don't contract AIDS, you contract HIV (Human immunodeficiency virus)
  • bigrig_mel

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    Feb 01, 2011 2:26 AM GMT
    Not going to transmit through saliva. Go checkout "thebody.com". It is the greatest online research tool for HIV and aids.
  • samasaurusrex

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    Feb 01, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    According to my friend, who is the HIV outreach guy for our county, you cant transmit HIV through kissing... unless both parties have open sores in/around their mouths. And apparently swallowing is low risk. Unless the swallowee has said open sores.
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    Feb 01, 2011 2:34 AM GMT
    Why would you trust your health to opinion? The fact is you can't contract HIV through saliva. If you have an open sore in your mouth or something I'd be extra careful but even then I believe your chances are slim since saliva helps protect you against HIV.
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    Feb 01, 2011 2:59 AM GMT
    1969er saidThank you. That was bugging me too. It's not the plural of AID. AIDS=Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome
    You don't contract AIDS, you contract HIV (Human immunodeficiency virus)

    Correct. What is contracted is the virus, known as HIV. Which in turn compromises the immune system, leading to a variety of conditions which are referred to as AIDS.

    The time it takes for these AIDS conditions or "syndrome" to develop varies greatly. Many factors are involved, from receiving prompt and aggressive HIV medications upon detection, to variables of individual resistance & health issues that doctors & researchers still do not fully understand, nor can reliably predict.

    Today we are seeing HIV patients going decades without ever developing AIDS. We see AIDS patients who also continue to live for decades.