More young Americans identify as mixed race

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    Jan 31, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    So as usual I started a flame war in another thread created to laud Black people. I had a big problem with who was considered "Black" because I recognized that they were not Black.

    I've become aware that back in the slave days "Black" would be anyone that is at least 1/8th Black. I counter-argued this by noting that Black is the only ethnicity that treats itself like a dominant genetic trait. Simply put if you are 1/2 Black and 1/2 White you are considered Black, but if you are 1/2 Asian and 1/2 Latino you'll note that you're both. I think this is a very 20th century way of thinking and it should be replaced with a more diversified approach.

    Well, apparently the New York Times agrees and I'm loving it. The younger generation is leaning towards my argument, which is noting one's FULL ethnic background instead of simplifying it, and while I feel so smug and arrogantly good about this, I think you should read it. One highlight that surprised me is that at some point the consensus allowed you to check a box depending on how much Black you had in you. (so pun intended)

    COLLEGE PARK, Md. — In another time or place, the game of “What Are You?” that was played one night last fall at the University of Maryland might have been mean, or menacing: Laura Wood’s peers were picking apart her every feature in an effort to guess her race.
    Race Remixed

    “How many mixtures do you have?” one young man asked above the chatter of about 50 students. With her tan skin and curly brown hair, Ms. Wood’s ancestry could have spanned the globe.

    “I’m mixed with two things,” she said politely.

    “Are you mulatto?” asked Paul Skym, another student, using a word once tinged with shame that is enjoying a comeback in some young circles. When Ms. Wood confirmed that she is indeed black and white, Mr. Skym, who is Asian and white, boasted, “Now that’s what I’m talking about!” in affirmation of their mutual mixed lineage.

    Then the group of friends — formally, the Multiracial and Biracial Student Association — erupted into laughter and cheers, a routine show of their mixed-race pride.

    The crop of students moving through college right now includes the largest group of mixed-race people ever to come of age in the United States, and they are only the vanguard: the country is in the midst of a demographic shift driven by immigration and intermarriage.

    One in seven new marriages is between spouses of different races or ethnicities, according to data from 2008 and 2009 that was analyzed by the Pew Research Center. Multiracial and multiethnic Americans (usually grouped together as “mixed race”) are one of the country’s fastest-growing demographic groups. And experts expect the racial results of the 2010 census, which will start to be released next month, to show the trend continuing or accelerating.

    Many young adults of mixed backgrounds are rejecting the color lines that have defined Americans for generations in favor of a much more fluid sense of identity. Ask Michelle López-Mullins, a 20-year-old junior and the president of the Multiracial and Biracial Student Association, how she marks her race on forms like the census, and she says, “It depends on the day, and it depends on the options.”

    They are also using the strength in their growing numbers to affirm roots that were once portrayed as tragic or pitiable.

    “I think it’s really important to acknowledge who you are and everything that makes you that,” said Ms. Wood, the 19-year-old vice president of the group. “If someone tries to call me black I say, ‘yes — and white.’ People have the right not to acknowledge everything, but don’t do it because society tells you that you can’t.”

    No one knows quite how the growth of the multiracial population will change the country. Optimists say the blending of the races is a step toward transcending race, to a place where America is free of bigotry, prejudice and programs like affirmative action.

    Pessimists say that a more powerful multiracial movement will lead to more stratification and come at the expense of the number and influence of other minority groups, particularly African-Americans.

    And some sociologists say that grouping all multiracial people together glosses over differences in circumstances between someone who is, say, black and Latino, and someone who is Asian and white. (Among interracial couples, white-Asian pairings tend to be better educated and have higher incomes, according to Reynolds Farley, a professor emeritus at the University of Michigan.)

    Along those lines, it is telling that the rates of intermarriage are lowest between blacks and whites, indicative of the enduring economic and social distance between them.

    Prof. Rainier Spencer, director of the Afro-American Studies Program at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and the author of “Reproducing Race: The Paradox of Generation Mix,” says he believes that there is too much “emotional investment” in the notion of multiracialism as a panacea for the nation’s age-old divisions. “The mixed-race identity is not a transcendence of race, it’s a new tribe,” he said. “A new Balkanization of race.”

    But for many of the University of Maryland students, that is not the point. They are asserting their freedom to identify as they choose.

    “All society is trying to tear you apart and make you pick a side,” Ms. Wood said. “I want us to have a say.”

    The Way We Were

    Americans mostly think of themselves in singular racial terms. Witness President Obama’s answer to the race question on the 2010 census: Although his mother was white and his father was black, Mr. Obama checked only one box, black, even though he could have checked both races.

    Some proportion of the country’s population has been mixed-race since the first white settlers had children with Native Americans. What has changed is how mixed-race Americans are defined and counted.

    Long ago, the nation saw itself in more hues than black and white: the 1890 census included categories for racial mixtures such as quadroon (one-fourth black) and octoroon (one-eighth black). With the exception of one survey from 1850 to 1920, the census included a mulatto category, which was for people who had any perceptible trace of African blood.

    But by the 1930 census, terms for mixed-race people had all disappeared, replaced by the so-called one-drop rule, an antebellum convention that held that anyone with a trace of African ancestry was only black. (Similarly, people who were “white and Indian” were generally to be counted as Indian.)
    Race Remixed

    By the 1970s, Americans were expected to designate themselves as members of one officially recognized racial group: black, white, American Indian, Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Hawaiian, Korean or “other,” an option used frequently by people of Hispanic origin. (The census recognizes Hispanic as an ethnicity, not a race.)

    Starting with the 2000 census, Americans were allowed to mark one or more races.

    The multiracial option came after years of complaints and lobbying, mostly by the white mothers of biracial children who objected to their children being allowed to check only one race. In
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    Jan 31, 2011 7:50 PM GMT
    I think us predominantly black but still significantly mixed race guys (those other predominant racial origns simply swap 'black' for the label most fitting) should have new term:

    Black-Mixed

    It denotes our identification with being black (predominatly) but still does not over-simplify our racial origins.

    It is also less vague than simply saying 'mixed race', as the vast majority of people on the planet technically fall under this heading (should they get a DNA test and find out).

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    Jan 31, 2011 8:02 PM GMT
    _Sage_ saidI think us predominantly black but still significantly mixed race guys (those other predominant racial origns simply swap 'black' for the label most fitting) should have new term:

    Black-Mixed

    It denotes our identification with being black (predominatly) but still does not over-simplify our racial origins.


    Agreed, but also I would be fine if you referred to yourself as Black if you are majority Black. Overall, I just feel like a person should identify with all of their racial/ethnic origins.


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    It is also less vague than simply saying 'mixed race', as the vast majority of people on the planet technically fall under this heading (should they get a DNA test and find out).


    Ah but "mixed race" is necessary for people who really are mixed race. I've met people who are 4+ races and everyone can see that they're definitely not one race.
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    Jan 31, 2011 8:39 PM GMT
    I think there should be an option for "homosexual" on that census

    Like a Jewish, black, and gay homosexual. That would be awesome.
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    Jan 31, 2011 8:48 PM GMT
    In the Fine Black guys thread you said "Hardly a black person. Maybe mix. But hardly even that. He just looks like someone from Egypt so he's all like, "hey guys I'm Afrikan too yah? Down with the dictator!" or something.

    If you were to personally go up to Terrell Tilford and say that he is hardly black you would probably get socked in the face. I know plenty of Black/White people that could pass for white and prefer to call themselves black because they are more connected to that side. No shit they know what they are.



    JAKEBENSONI've become aware that back in the slave days "Black" would be anyone that is at least 1/8th Black. I counter-argued this by noting that Black is the only ethnicity that treats itself like a dominant genetic trait. Simply put if you are 1/2 Black and 1/2 White you are considered Black, but if you are 1/2 Asian and 1/2 Latino you'll note that you're both. I think this is a very 20th century way of thinking and it should be replaced with a more diversified approach.


    It wasn't just a "rule" for Blacks,it was a rule for minorities.

    my one friend is Half Asian and Half white. She calls herself Asian and she looks white.

    One of my other friends is Half Native American & Half White.She calls herself Native American and she looks like a white girl.

    Like I said before, Racial Identity is a personal thing when it comes to us Mixed people and to tell someone that they look hardly this or that,to tell someone what to call themselves is flat out rude. No shit we know what our Racial mix is.



    and again, Latino isn't a racial group icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 31, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    Oh no you DI'INT Lenoxx. It's time to flame yo muda fuggin assah.

    Lenoxx said In the Fine Black guys thread you said "Hardly a black person. Maybe mix. But hardly even that. He just looks like someone from Egypt so he's all like, "hey guys I'm Afrikan too yah? Down with the dictator!" or something.

    If you were to personally go up to Terrell Tilford and say that he is hardly black you would probably get socked in the face. I know plenty of Black/White people that could pass for white and prefer to call themselves black because they are more connected to that side. No shit they know what they are.


    First of all, what I say on the internet in a joking way, which you obviously took serious, I wouldn't say in reality. I wouldn't go up to some famous mixed breed and crack an Egyptian revolution joke in the middle of trying to convince him he's hardly black in an arrogant way.

    But no, Terrell Tilford should do himself and the progression of human evolution a favor and punch himself in the face for being an oversimplied liar when it comes to his race. I honestly can't stand how many "Black" people ignore their mix and claim they're Black when they're clearly not Black. What do you think this is, the slave-driving 1820s where if you're an Octoroon (1/8th Black) then you're considered Black?

    That's fine if you want to identify with the Black culture, especially if you are at least part-Black. But being part Black doesn't mean that the Black part in you is a dominant genetic trait suppressing all other ethnic and racial backgrounds. So if you're like Mariah Carey where you're only 1/4 Black, I won't call you Black even if you consider yourself Black. Do you know why? Because if I'm trying to describe someone by how they look I don't give a shit about what culture they're trying to emulate. If I look White, do you know how confusing that is if someone were refer to ME as Black because I make a huge fit that I want to identify with Black culture? Again you can act however you want, but that does NOT change your physical identity. Sorry but if you're not Black, then you're NOT BLACK. End of debate.

    Don't try convince me speciously that you are someone when you clearly aren't. I'm not going to call everyone Black just because they might look like they could have some Black ancestry in them. That's just fuckin dumb. Real dumb. You can run and tell that, HOMEBOY.

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    My ancestors fled Spain during the Spanish inquisition in the 1500s. THEREFORE I AM LATINO AND WILL GET OFFENDED IF ANYONE SAYS OTHERWISE. Wait, actually...my ancestors fled Israel 1,800 years ago. THEREFORE I AM MIDDLE-EASTERN AND WILL GET OFFENDED IF ANYONE SAYS OTHERWISE.
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    Jan 31, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    Lenoxx said
    and again, Latino isn't a racial group icon_biggrin.gif


    If Latino isn't a racial group then neither is Black.
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    Jan 31, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    Right, Latino is a term for the people from a Spanish or Portuguese speaking country (though French- speaking or Italian-speaking people could also consider themselves Latino).

    Racially, when someone says he is Latino, he is White, Black, or Native American, or, more likely, some mixture of those races. It is primarily used to identify a group of people that have historically been discriminated against.
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    Jan 31, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    Ermine saidRight, Latino is a term for the people from a Spanish or Portuguese speaking country (though French- speaking or Italian-speaking people could also consider themselves Latino).

    Racially, when someone says he is Latino, he is White, Black, or Native American, or, more likely, some mixture of those races. It is primarily used to identify a group of people that have historically been discriminated against.


    So then what do you call those people south of the American border? What's their race, or ethnicity? How is Latino referring to Spanish or Portuguese speaking people, and sometimes France and Italy, when it also refers to the natives and mixture thereof with European colonies? So you're telling me that Latino refers to the Spaniards who invaded South America, AND the South Americans who were invaded by the Spaniards?icon_confused.gif

    Here's why I find the word "race" problematic:

    "Race refers to classifications of humans into large and relatively distinct populations or groups often based on factors such as appearance based on heritable phenotypical characteristics or geographic ancestry, but also often influenced by and correlated with traits such as culture, ethnicity and socio-economic status."

    Essentially, what I see is, "race could be defined by appearance, but maybe phenotypes, but sometimes culture, sometimes ethnicity, and sociology ya know." In other words, nothing logical.
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    Jan 31, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said


    So then what do you call those people south of the American border? What's their race, or ethnicity?


    Did you not read my post?

    Ermine said
    Racially, when someone says he is Latino, he is White, Black, or Native American, or, more likely, some mixture of those races.


    He may have family that spans back to the Mayan, Incan, or some other indigenous group that is racially connected with Native Americans. He may have family ties that go back to the European colonialists of Spain and Portugal (White). He may have family that was brought or came over from Africa (Black). Most people who are Latino are a mix of two or all three races.


    When I mentioned that French or Italian people could technically be called Latino, I meant that Latino refers to people from nations that speak languages derived from Latin-- Spanish and Portuguese, as well as French and Italian.

    In the end we are all part of the human race, and everything else is a means to separate one group from another.
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    Jan 31, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    I'm multi-racial by injection.
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    Feb 01, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
    Honestly,you really need to educate yourself about race before you try to start something.

    Hispanic and Latino Americans are Americans with origins in the Hispanic countries of Latin America or in Spain, and in general all persons in the United States who self-identify as Hispanic or Latino. Reflecting especially the Latin American population, which has origins in all the continents and many ancestries,Hispanic/Latino Americans are very racially diverse, and as a result form an ethnic category, rather than a race.

    Mulatto-Black & White
    Mestizo-White & Indian- Example someone that looks like Charlitos,but he probably has some black in him since he is cuban.


    but anyways you just need to let it go
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    Lenoxx said Honestly,you really need to educate yourself about race before you try to start something.

    Betch who you be talkin to? Are you aware that the U.S. used to categorize people based on the degradations of their racial mix, then stopped categorizing based on racial mix, and are now recategorizing based on racial mix again? You hapless mudda fugga I know my race history more than you know how to spot an elephant in a giant green room.


    Lenoxx said
    Hispanic and Latino Americans are Americans with origins in the Hispanic countries of Latin America or in Spain, and in general all persons in the United States who self-identify as Hispanic or Latino. Reflecting especially the Latin American population, which has origins in all the continents and many ancestries,Hispanic/Latino Americans are very racially diverse, and as a result form an ethnic category, rather than a race.

    Ah, but if you're a mix of American with origins in the African countries, or even a mixture thereof, suddenly you're just "Black," and instead of it being an ethnicity, it's a race. Same situation yet different title. Can you assplain this?

    I don't think you understand that I'm questioning the very foundation of a flawed categorization while you're trying to reinforce it without thinking about it. You've said in a previous thread that Black people can be very racially diverse as well, hence you claimed that mixed guy was Black. If this is true then why is Black a race but not an ethnicity?

    Sorry, but the boundaries of what is a race and what is an ethnicity are so blurred that they are far from disparate. I propose abandoning the concept of "race" altogether.

    Lenoxx said
    Mulatto-Black & White
    Mestizo-White & Indian- Example someone that looks like Charlitos,but he probably has some black in him since he is cuban.

    but anyways you just need to let it go


    Ah I like those words. They're helpful. And Mulatto even sounds sexy. It's like that new ice cream flavor. But no, I'm not going to let it go. You're not understanding the flaw in the American categorization system. It needs to be changed. And I'm not going to call someone Black when they are not Black. You need to take THAT and run and tell it to all your mixed boys who think they're Black. dot dot dot.....wait for it........HOMEBOY.
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    Feb 01, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
    I'm quite aware of americas Flaw when it comes to race.

    I'm sleepy night night dear.
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    Feb 02, 2011 8:39 AM GMT
    I will tell you that according to Physical Anthropologist there are three races: negriod, caucasoid , and mongoloid. And under that those categories they are “sub-races”.
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/list-of-human-races.html
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    Feb 02, 2011 9:11 AM GMT
    amuletazawakh said I will tell you that according to Physical Anthropologist there are three races: negriod, caucasoid , and mongoloid. And under that those categories they are “sub-races”.
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/list-of-human-races.html


    Why thank you 18th Century Encyclopedia from Alabama.
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    Feb 02, 2011 9:23 AM GMT
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    amuletazawakh said I will tell you that according to Physical Anthropologist there are three races: negriod, caucasoid , and mongoloid. And under that those categories they are “sub-races”.
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/list-of-human-races.html


    Why thank you 18th Century Encyclopedia from Alabama.


    Well, it's true. The reason most anthropologist are keeping quiet and not studying racial difference is because of the p.c. climate. Also new research is c claming that Eurasians (non-negriods) contain 4% Neanderthal DNA.
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    Feb 02, 2011 9:27 AM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON said
    amuletazawakh said I will tell you that according to Physical Anthropologist there are three races: negriod, caucasoid , and mongoloid. And under that those categories they are “sub-races”.
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/list-of-human-races.html


    Why thank you 18th Century Encyclopedia from Alabama.


    Well, it's true. The reason most anthropologist are keeping quiet and not studying racial difference is because of the p.c. climate. Also new research is c claming that Eurasians (non-negriods) contain 1-4% Neanderthal DNA.


    I thought the latest report was people from everywhere except for most of Africa contain 1-4% Neanderthal DNA. That explains those ugly white folk with strange looking foreheads.
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    Feb 02, 2011 2:36 PM GMT
    I have never seen a white man, nor have I ever seen a black man, nor a yellow man, nor a red man, in my entire life.

    All human skin colors vary from very light brown to very Dark Brown.

    The shade of our brown skin is determined by the a mount of melanin in our skin which in turn is determined by adaption to the amount of direct exposure to the Sun over many generations.

    A long time ago (~ 4,000 years ago) there lived in the Indus Valley a dark brown skinned gentle people who lived in peace and had a very advanced and thriving civilization for their day.

    Along came a light brown aggressive people who conquered this civilization and made them their subjects. These light brown people were called Aryans, and they established the self serving Caste System, declaring that lighter brown skinned people are superior to darker brown skinned people, because they were more evolved and closer to the 'gods' The darker brown your skin, the more evil you were in your past lives, the lower the caste you are reborn in, and each caste are to be subservient to all castes above them.

    A very self serving religion these light brown skinned people created for themselves. And it was taught to generation after generation as fact, and all believed it was true.

    But as time went by, the skin color of the light brown skinned Aryans had become darker and darker with each new generation of offspring, their skin color adapted to the more direct rays of the Sun, more melanin was produced, and the skin color became a much darker brown. Since each caste tended to marry within their own caste, today you can see the descendants of the original Aryans have maintained their European features but in most cases these living distant descendants of the original Aryans have a dark Brown Skin.

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    Feb 02, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    Yes Jake, the so-called Neanderthals did interbreed and have offspring with what we call modern Europeans because they were modern man too. Also I read a few science papers on the fact that some people in Spain today also have some of the unique characteristics of the Neanderthals. They obviously interbred with what we call modern humans. they were modern humans who lived in Europe and were dying out due to the ice age that covered most of Europe. The greatest physical difference between Neanderthals and us today is that it appears that Neanderthals had a very long childhood, based upon the fact that certain bones grow throughout childhood, while others start growing after pubescence. This easily accounts for the few differing bone structures found in neanderthals in comparison with modern humans.


    JAKEBENSON said
    amuletazawakh said
    JAKEBENSON said
    amuletazawakh said I will tell you that according to Physical Anthropologist there are three races: negriod, caucasoid , and mongoloid. And under that those categories they are “sub-races”.
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/list-of-human-races.html


    Why thank you 18th Century Encyclopedia from Alabama.


    Well, it's true. The reason most anthropologist are keeping quiet and not studying racial difference is because of the p.c. climate. Also new research is c claming that Eurasians (non-negriods) contain 1-4% Neanderthal DNA.


    I thought the latest report was people from everywhere except for most of Africa contain 1-4% Neanderthal DNA. That explains those ugly white folk with strange looking foreheads.
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    Feb 02, 2011 4:22 PM GMT
    Just to throw it out there, Race and Ethnicity or two separate things that people use interchangeably. Humans are a race, we are not species separated into "race" of blacks or "race of whites.

    People from south of the border in "Latin America" are the only Latinos. Not sure why people peg Europeans i.e. Spanish and Portuguese for being Latino. I understand the the language and the culture sync up in areas and I understand that a lot of Latin American countries have many influences from Spain or Portugal but the Spanish and Portuguese are not Latin.

    As for the whole mixed race thing, My dads black and my moms white. I identify with both "elasticities" My moms family is entirely in Europe so I don't get to see them often and I spent my whole life growing up with my dads family. Ive always identified with both. Whether I look black or white, though in the summer I tan like hell and im told I look Latin of some kind.

    And for the record when it comes to marking down race like on a form or something. Because "mixed race" didn't appear on any kind of forms for a long time its always been said to go by the fathers ethnicity.