No wonder 40% of Americans believe in Creationism--some teachers want to teach it!

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    Feb 01, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    Can't blame them, because they can't even enunciate the principles of evolution to their students!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/31/evolution-vs-creationism-_n_815664.html
    The findings come at a time when reports that less than half of American students are proficient in science has focused a national spotlight on the inadequacies of science education in the nation's public schools.

    Seventeen percent of teachers surveyed did not cover human evolution at all in their biology class, whereas a majority of teachers (60%) spent between 1 and 5 hours of class time on it.

    At the opposite extreme, 13 percent of teachers explicitly endorse creationism or intelligent design, and spend at least one hour of class time presenting it in a positive light. An additional 5 percent reported that they support creationism in passing or when answering students' questions.

    The remaining fraction of teachers, who Berkman and Plutzer dub the "cautious 60 percent," avoids choosing sides. Often these teachers have not taken courses in evolutionary biology and lack confidence in their ability to answer questions from skeptical or hostile students and parents.
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    Feb 01, 2011 4:01 AM GMT
    So what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?
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    Feb 01, 2011 4:40 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?





    No Socal, no need or effort to discredit Conservs, just pointing out what they're up to, you know updates on what the latest issue conservs are trying to hold back progress on. Thats all



    look up the definition of Conservative, basically its against change, to conserve is to keep things the same, don't change anything. You know like the conserves were against dropping slavery, against a womans right to vote, didn't want blacks to vote, didn't want to eat at the same counter, didn't want blacks next to whites in the military, no gays in the military, no women in the military.

    didn't want integrated schools, didn't want Social Security,didn't want state and federal land preserves like Yellowstone, Yosemite or other such parks. they didn't want cigarettes exposed for the harm they do smokers lungs, they want to keep using lots of oil and coal, cause god won't let man destroy the earth cause he promised never to do that again, so conserves want up to keep right on polluting the more oil we use the better, you know, god provided it.

    the conserves have been for no progress, no changes as far back as american history goes back, the conserves have fought tooth and nail against every advance in our history. so you cling buddy to your delightful Conservative heritage of holding everything back that you possibly could. That's why a few of us post what the conserves are up to now, and frequently refer to huff post. Because sometimes its just so amazing to learn what the conserves are trying to hold back this time. LOL
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    Feb 01, 2011 4:42 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.
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    Feb 01, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    I mean just because there is evidence of evolution doesn't mean that there wasn't a creator.
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    Feb 01, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.

    Agree but I think the agenda of huff post and mr q here is to equate fiscal conservatism with conservatism with ignorance.
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    Feb 01, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.

    Agree but I think the agenda of huff post and mr q here is to equate fiscal conservatism with conservatism with ignorance.






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    Feb 01, 2011 4:51 AM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.

    Agree but I think the agenda of huff post and mr q here is to equate fiscal conservatism with conservatism with ignorance.


    Well, you claimed constantly and endlessly that the Tea Party was all about the fiscal conservatism, but since they've come into the Congress and local legislature, it's all social issues all the time and not one attempt to do anything to help the middle class, provide an alternative to HCR or financial reform. And there's no indication that they will.

    You threw your lot in with these people and now you're pissed that chickens are home to roost? Suck it up, buttercup.
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    Feb 01, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidWell, you claimed constantly and endlessly that the Tea Party was all about the fiscal conservatism, but since they've come into the Congress and local legislature, it's all social issues all the time and not one attempt to do anything to help the middle class, provide an alternative to HCR or financial reform. And there's no indication that they will.

    You threw your lot in with these people and now you're pissed that chickens are home to roost? Suck it up, buttercup.

    LOL! Yeah, and what's the first thing all these new Republican state governments are trying to do? Pass more anti-gay legislation! More state constitutional amendments against gay marriage, in states that don't already have them, more restrictions and limitations to gay civil rights, not to mention anti-abortion, anti-union, anti-minority, etc, etc.

    And when I & others here predicted this before the election, that their real goal was right-wing social legislation, what was the response from the right-wingers here? To call us paranoids! We were inventing it! Imagining it! Hallucinating it! You may remember those very words from them.

    But don't worry, they'll reply with some new spin about this, along with more personal attacks to deflect attention away from the actual issues. Wait for it... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 01, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.

    Agree but I think the agenda of huff post and mr q here is to equate fiscal conservatism with conservatism with ignorance.


    ..or perhaps merely frustrated with too many not hearing that your house needs some clearing of bigots-via-ignorance, and of those who put Belief over scientific evidence.
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    Feb 01, 2011 5:26 AM GMT
    Zabotugi saidI mean just because there is evidence of evolution doesn't mean that there wasn't a creator.



    This is how I feel. But I also think that evolution itself is just a minor working of something (god) we can barely understand.
    Evolution is not complicated seen from a distance; if we can even conceive of it, god did it long before. Childs-play for the omniscient.
    No one, especially those kooks, have the right to put god in a box or book and limit the methods and parameters of god's imagination and creation.

    obnoxiously religulous at the moment, lol
    -Doug
    PS evolution is an example of creationism. The d'oh-d'ohs.
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    Feb 01, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    realifedad said
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?





    No Socal, no need or effort to discredit Conservs, just pointing out what they're up to, you know updates on what the latest issue conservs are trying to hold back progress on. Thats all



    look up the definition of Conservative, basically its against change, to conserve is to keep things the same, don't change anything. You know like the conserves were against dropping slavery, against a womans right to vote, didn't want blacks to vote, didn't want to eat at the same counter, didn't want blacks next to whites in the military, no gays in the military, no women in the military.

    didn't want integrated schools, didn't want Social Security,didn't want state and federal land preserves like Yellowstone, Yosemite or other such parks. they didn't want cigarettes exposed for the harm they do smokers lungs, they want to keep using lots of oil and coal, cause god won't let man destroy the earth cause he promised never to do that again, so conserves want up to keep right on polluting the more oil we use the better, you know, god provided it.

    the conserves have been for no progress, no changes as far back as american history goes back, the conserves have fought tooth and nail against every advance in our history. so you cling buddy to your delightful Conservative heritage of holding everything back that you possibly could. That's why a few of us post what the conserves are up to now, and frequently refer to huff post. Because sometimes its just so amazing to learn what the conserves are trying to hold back this time. LOL




    Thanks.
    That was a good speech.
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    Feb 01, 2011 10:44 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.

    Agree but I think the agenda of huff post and mr q here is to equate fiscal conservatism with conservatism with ignorance.


    Well, you claimed constantly and endlessly that the Tea Party was all about the fiscal conservatism, but since they've come into the Congress and local legislature, it's all social issues all the time and not one attempt to do anything to help the middle class, provide an alternative to HCR or financial reform. And there's no indication that they will.

    You threw your lot in with these people and now you're pissed that chickens are home to roost? Suck it up, buttercup.

    If you assume these ignorant people share the same view of limited government, and believe their ignorance or extreme views are relevant to mainstream fiscal conservatives, then the same logic can work both ways. Specifically, we can easily find all kinds of things going in Venezuela because of Hugh Chavez and Bolivia because of Evo Morales. Because these two share some economic beliefs with some RJ members, we can create many threads about these countries and suggest a connection with liberal RJ members.

    For example, I could start a thread to show this link:

    http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/socialist-hugo-chavez-begins-to-use-his-new-dictatorial-powers/

    Just think, for all the mid-east threads, we could have Venezuela and Bolivia threads. I bet that would get old very quickly.
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    Feb 01, 2011 10:49 AM GMT
    That 13 percent? Show that they shouldn't be in the classroom
    You them to exclude something as fundamental to Science proves they are either stupid or ideological zealots
    both are just as dangerous

    Just like there are bad Doctors and Policemen and women there are bad teachers
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    Feb 01, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
    It's funny, socal, that you protest so much about conservatives. Did I even mention that word in the OP?

    I don't find it funny that US high school students are behind most developed countries in their science scores. Do you?

    I personally know some of the most fiscally and socially conservative people in the world (namely, my parents), but evolution not in doubt for them.

    The "shit" that you so demean comes from 2 professors at Penn State--feel free to read it in full:
    [url]http://books.google.com/books?id=caXjKtbWWK4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Evolution,+Creationism+and+the+Battle+to+Control+America%E2%80%99s+Classrooms.&source=bl&ots=SVdnT0J8w2&sig=6ydybfMU8dcnP2jNf3J6gWKwKkk&hl=en&ei=oSVDTfO8F5G4sQOr6_zhCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url]
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    Feb 01, 2011 12:08 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidIt's funny, socal, that you protest so much about conservatives. Did I even mention that word in the OP?

    I don't find it funny that US high school students are behind most developed countries in their science scores. Do you?

    I personally know some of the most fiscally and socially conservative people in the world (namely, my parents), but evolution not in doubt for them.

    The "shit" that you so demean comes from 2 professors at Penn State--feel free to read it in full:
    [url]http://books.google.com/books?id=caXjKtbWWK4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Evolution,+Creationism+and+the+Battle+to+Control+America%E2%80%99s+Classrooms.&source=bl&ots=SVdnT0J8w2&sig=6ydybfMU8dcnP2jNf3J6gWKwKkk&hl=en&ei=oSVDTfO8F5G4sQOr6_zhCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url]

    Good deal. I will start posting things about Hugo and won't explicitly make any connections. Better yet, will just provide link and say nothing, per your style.
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    Feb 01, 2011 12:42 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    TigerTim said
    socalfitness saidSo what's the point of all this shit that the Huff Post and you always provide? Is that some lame attempt to discredit all conservatives, or does your fragile ego need reinforcement by making fun of others?


    I don't think that this is about conservatives, it's about ignorance. People who don't understand Evolution SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING SCIENCE. People who don't accept Evolution are IGNORANT.

    It's really that simple.

    Agree but I think the agenda of huff post and mr q here is to equate fiscal conservatism with conservatism with ignorance.


    Well, you claimed constantly and endlessly that the Tea Party was all about the fiscal conservatism, but since they've come into the Congress and local legislature, it's all social issues all the time and not one attempt to do anything to help the middle class, provide an alternative to HCR or financial reform. And there's no indication that they will.

    You threw your lot in with these people and now you're pissed that chickens are home to roost? Suck it up, buttercup.

    If you assume these ignorant people share the same view of limited government, and believe their ignorance or extreme views are relevant to mainstream fiscal conservatives, then the same logic can work both ways. Specifically, we can easily find all kinds of things going in Venezuela because of Hugh Chavez and Bolivia because of Evo Morales. Because these two share some economic beliefs with some RJ members, we can create many threads about these countries and suggest a connection with liberal RJ members.

    For example, I could start a thread to show this link:

    http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/socialist-hugo-chavez-begins-to-use-his-new-dictatorial-powers/

    Just think, for all the mid-east threads, we could have Venezuela and Bolivia threads. I bet that would get old very quickly.


    Socal - Creationism is a mainstream conservative position. 52 percent of Republicans believe in creationism versus 33 percent of Democrats.

    And no one on the left, let alone Democrats, are suggesting that Obama should be given "vast dictatorial powers".

    The irony of course is that the website you pulled the Chavez article from has the tagline "…integrating Christian faith and knowledge in the public square". In fact the top story on the front page is a denial of evolution. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 01, 2011 12:48 PM GMT
    Yet another reason why China will overtake our research in, say, 20 years. Only in the USA does fiscal conservatism imply belief in creationism, and vice versa.
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    Feb 01, 2011 12:55 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidYet another reason why China will overtake our research in, say, 20 years. Only in the USA does fiscal conservatism imply belief in creationism, and vice versa.


    Yes, but conservatives will blame unions. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 01, 2011 1:30 PM GMT
    Christian73 said... And no one on the left, let alone Democrats, are suggesting that Obama should be given "vast dictatorial powers".

    The irony of course is that the website you pulled the Chavez article from has the tagline "…integrating Christian faith and knowledge in the public square". In fact the top story on the front page is a denial of evolution. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yes, I was aware of the irony and found it amusing, but it does not detract from my point. And I do agree that Democrats do not suggest Obama be given vast dictatorial powers. Not claiming the progressive left embraces everything about Chavez, maybe just some things. Point still valid.