Creationist Lunacy Invades Science Museum.

  • swimbikerun

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    Mar 30, 2008 5:21 PM GMT
    Please refrain from putting your fist through the monitor. This video is maddening! Watch these creationist fools indocrinate these kids with their nonsense.
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    Mar 30, 2008 5:58 PM GMT
    But there are two creation stories in Genesis that don't agree with each other. Ooops! ... icon_redface.gif

    It will be interesting to see the response to retro-engineering dinosaurs from birds. Why are there dinosaur genes in birds, if birds didn't evolve from dinosaurs?

    I know they wont agree but it will be interesting to hear them talk around it.
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    Mar 30, 2008 6:25 PM GMT
    The Genesis account does demonstrate some knowledge of an evolutionary process.
    The first that comes to mind is the "Serpent". After Eve was tempted, serpents would have to crawl on their bellies. Snakes have the remnants of leg bones in their skelature.
    The other is the account of Eve having to bear children in pain. If Eve was not human but a precurser animal and gave birth to a genetic mutant human with a larger head to accomodate a larger brain, it would cause tearing and pain. Having a larger brain would allow the humans to become a successful species and thrive.
    (I didn't think that up though, Carl Sagan suggested it in his book "the Dragons of Eden".)
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    Mar 30, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    Carl must have been smoking something when he came up with that stretch....or needed to meet some word count for the manuscript.
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    Mar 30, 2008 6:31 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThe Genesis account does demonstrate some knowledge of an evolutionary process.


    What exactly is your point? According to Creationists, there is no evolution, period.
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    Mar 30, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
    Wow. How f***ing ignorant.

    It's not that they're just disagreeing with evolution, they're blatantly ignoring geology, archaeology, paleontology, plate tectonics, and just about every other scientific field that uses FACTS to support its findings, not a book...
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    This makes me angry. That kids are being indoctrinated like that!
  • Squarejaw

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    Mar 30, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    It would be one thing if these were poor deluded fools stating what they believed to be the truth. But when they accuse scientists of circular reasoning on sedimentary/fossil age issue -- when they're standing RIGHT IN FRONT OF the radiometric dating exhibit -- they're deliberately lying to these children, and that's just evil.
  • ShawnTX

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    Mar 30, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    'it's a fairy tale, not good science'

    WTF!?!? The bible is the biggest fairy tale of them all.

    I wonder what it's like to live in a bubble?
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:18 PM GMT
    Look at the bright side, they aren't being taught to be suicide bombers.
    Religion is about political control, nothing more.
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    John43620 saidLook at the bright side, they aren't being taught to be suicide bombers.
    Religion is about political control, nothing more.


    That's as narrow-minded and delusional an opinion as those creationists in the video. Once again you've lumped every single religion together while insulting 90% (if not more) of the worlds population.

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    Mar 30, 2008 8:24 PM GMT
    Atlazeia saidWow. How f***ing ignorant.

    It's not that they're just disagreeing with evolution, they're blatantly ignoring geology, archaeology, paleontology, plate tectonics, and just about every other scientific field that uses FACTS to support its findings, not a book...


    Do you imagine that they care? "Facts are stupid things."---Ronald Reagan
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:33 PM GMT
    I have given up on trying to persuade or just converse logically with most religious people. I realize that we are on two different worlds. They will never be able to analyze or think if all they believe is 'faith.' I will never be convinced by the argument "because the Bible says so." That is the closing quote of that video.

    Ri-cock-ulous


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    Mar 30, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
    I remember catching this on Night Line. I loved where they were caught off guard after stating humans used to live up to 600 years old, which totally messed up the genealogical thread.
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:35 PM GMT
    This makes me angry also, but I wouldn't despair too much. I was raised in a strict conservative church that taught this garbage also, but I grew up, started reading, and started thinking for myself. The same is true for the scientist interviewed for this piece. Eventually, empirical evidence leads inquisitive people to understand the Bible is nothing more than mythology.

    We can be hopeful that in an age where information is more prevalent than it's ever been, many of these kids won't suffer under these delusions for too long into their adult lives.

    It does baffle me though how the adult leaders of this tour are so enmeshed in their Biblical ideology that they simply refuse to acknowledge any source of authority other than the Bible. They are, quite literally, brainwashed. They are fully committed to the idea that the Bible is THE word of God and nothing can contradict that.

    They are fools who don't know how foolish they are. It's really very sad.
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:49 PM GMT
    For someone who is an almost-atheist, I know the Bible much better than most Christians. I think most Christians selectively read the Bible and skip over parts that are troublesome or contradictory.

    My favorite thing to do lately when talking with Christians is to ask them who was present at Jesus' tomb on resurrection day, according to the gospels. The answer varies depending on which gospel you look at and the accounts are mutually exclusive. So much for the inerrancy of the Bible.

    I also ask them where did Jesus, Mary, and Joseph go immediately after Jesus' birth. According to the gospel of Matthew, they went to Egypt for a number of years to escape the wrath of King Herod. But according to Luke, there is no mention of going to Egypt whatsoever and they went first to Jerusalem for Jesus' circumcision, and then to live in Nazareth.

    Most Christians are never challenged with these discrepancies and are in fact directed away from examining them by their church leaders. Most conservative churches are heavy handed about teaching their members to never question anything about the Bible.

    That's why you see so many people from highly religious backgrounds simply go blank and resort to "I believe the Bible" rather than thinking and discussing subjects rationally. They are trained and conditioned to shut out any challenges to Biblical authority.
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:53 PM GMT
    swimbikerun, my point is, the Genesis account demonstrates a knowledge of the evolutionary process, even though that isn't the intent. It's an interesting mystery how ancient Hebrews knew this.

    shawnTO, you define religion as a fairy tale, I define it as a political control device, either way we're both critical of it. So now do you defend religion?
    Once upon a time, medieval christians used the power of the pope to grant kings their legitimacy, that "rule by divine right" sort of thing. The age of enlightenment, the Gutenberg press, the protestant reformation, the English civil war and the American Revolution changed all that.
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    Mar 30, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen said
    I also ask them where did Jesus, Mary, and Joseph go immediately after Jesus' birth,


    Disney World?
  • ShawnTX

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    Mar 30, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    John43620 said

    shawnTO, you define religion as a fairy tale, I define it as a political control device, either way we're both critical of it. So now do you defend religion?
    Once upon a time, medieval christians used the power of the pope to grant kings their legitimacy, that "rule by divine right" sort of thing. The age of enlightenment, the Gutenberg press, the protestant reformation, the English civil war and the American Revolution changed all that.


    I said the bible is a fairy tale, not the entire Christian religion. And I'm well aware of the links between medieval royals and the Christian church, I wrote a book about it afterall. My point is that you're generalizing and lumping ALL religions together, while only using one religion as a reference to prove your point.
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    Mar 30, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    The funny thing about this to me is that the very first thing said is
    "We are taught to think like evolutionists..." which is patently wrong in itself. That is the creationist's distorted perspective.
    We are taught to think like scientists and evolution is a theory that meets the criteria defined by science. Creationism selectively ignores so many facts that it makes my head hurt.
    Of course, these people are proof that evolution doesn't always effectively improve the brains of everyone.
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    Mar 30, 2008 9:31 PM GMT
    people who don't believe in religion often believe in science as a replacement. is it possible there's some gray area where they're both right without being mutually exclusive?
  • Squarejaw

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    Mar 30, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    The Bible mentions donkeys. Science has shown the existence of donkeys. See, they ARE compatible!
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    Mar 30, 2008 9:41 PM GMT
    i knew it was possible!
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    Mar 30, 2008 9:44 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidpeople who don't believe in religion often believe in science as a replacement. is it possible there's some gray area where they're both right without being mutually exclusive?


    That's quite a generalization. Plenty of scientists believe in religion, they simply believe it more as metaphor than as literal fact. I think the more you experience (or learn) about science through labs and through doing things yourself, the more you come to believe what you see (empirical evidence) and logic over what people tell you to believe.
    But maybe that's just how it works with me.
  • swimbikerun

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    Mar 30, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    John43620 saidswimbikerun, my point is, the Genesis account demonstrates a knowledge of the evolutionary process, even though that isn't the intent. It's an interesting mystery how ancient Hebrews knew this.

    Really? To me it seems like you are reading into something that isn't there. Just sort of making it up to fit your theories of the way the world works.
    Yes, I'd say it's an "interesting mystery how ancient Hebrews knew this".
    Would you care to elaborate?
    Perhaps they had a time machine?
    I'd have to say you are making a wild, totally unsubstantiated statement with little or no basis in facts.