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    Feb 04, 2011 3:54 AM GMT
    Gawd you are paranoid.
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    Is this by the same Brietbart guy who was just shown to be falsifying his video of Planned Parenthood? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:17 AM GMT
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    Those progressives are a friendly bunch icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 04, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThose progressives are a friendly bunch icon_rolleyes.gif

    A friend told me this is all over the internet and the liberals are trying to defend it. LOL
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    Feb 04, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
    I love how the one lady says the tea party is racist and the man in their own ranks is racist by saying something that awful -- to put him back in the fields? You've got to be kidding me!

    It's like when leftwing demonstrators were yelling at Breitbart calling him a "faggot".
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    Feb 04, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI love how the one lady says the tea party is racist and the man in their own ranks is racist by saying something that awful -- to put him back in the fields? You've got to be kidding me!

    It's like when leftwing demonstrators were yelling at Breitbart calling him a "faggot".


    Well hey, I guess anyone in the rank and file can be a racist...but that's not really news, is it?

    The Tea Party recruited Sharon Angle, didn't they?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQLtuRTF44
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    Feb 04, 2011 3:10 PM GMT

    It's never difficult to find a lunatic at any political rally. I'm sure conservatives are equally embarrassed when they see something like this.

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    Feb 04, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
    TrentGrad said...Well hey, I guess anyone in the rank and file can be a racist...but that's not really news, is it?

    The Tea Party recruited Sharon Angle, didn't they?

    Not news in and of itself, but when the progressives were having trouble finding the real racists at the tea party rallies, and some political events, such as Sharon Angle's, they needed to plant racists together with signs so the MSNBCs of the world would have something to talk about. icon_biggrin.gif

    In the case of this rally, I would bet they did not have to look too hard to find the particular subjects of the video. They are probably quite typical.
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    Feb 04, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    TrentGrad said
    mocktwinkie saidI love how the one lady says the tea party is racist and the man in their own ranks is racist by saying something that awful -- to put him back in the fields? You've got to be kidding me!

    It's like when leftwing demonstrators were yelling at Breitbart calling him a "faggot".


    Well hey, I guess anyone in the rank and file can be a racist...but that's not really news, is it?

    The Tea Party recruited Sharon Angle, didn't they?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQLtuRTF44


    Angle was never fit for office but she never said anything racist.

    That ad was right on! The truth isn't always convenient.
  • TrentGrad

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    Feb 04, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThey must all be right-wing agents pretending to be "progressives."

    Everyone knows that ALL progressives are incapable of having violent thoughts and aren't racist at all.

    And, everyone knows that MOST tea-party members are violent and racist.



    #1: Actually, I'd never thought about them being right-wing nuts that came out to support the Tea Party by slandering the political left...but you could be right. Here in Canada, for example, when the Liberal Party had their leadership convention to pick a new leader between Stephane Dion and Bob Rae, the public consensus was that Rae was the better pick for the party. At that moment, apparently the Conservative Party youth wing and the NDP youth wing bought up Liberal Party memberships so that they could affect the vote outcome.

    Sabotage from within is not a new thing in political circles: nice of you to make an argument for progressives. ;)

    #2: There's a reason why it's called "racism" and not "conservativism." Racism goes all ways, and thus I don't know of many progressives who assume there aren't other progressives who are also racist. However I don't recall a progressive in recent memory who had the profile of Sharron Angle...and was well funded with campaign donations because of their affiliation with a splinter group. Is there even a progressive wing of the Democratic party to compare to the Tea party?

    #3: The real problem with the Tea Party is that it's underlying message seems rooted in racism. Black Democratic president is elected...and their slogan is "we want our country back." The words in and of themselves are not racist...but the implications sure sound like they are.

    And of course, referencing the "good old days," which for many people were not all that good at all.

    Socal, SB, Mock...what percentage of Tea Party supporters do you believe also support equal rights for LGBT peoples? 1%? 0%? And what percentage of Tea Party supporters deep down believe that it should be okay to beat the shit out of someone for being gay? 25%? 30%?

    But hey, I will say this about the Tea Party: they haven't been completely unwelcoming to visible minorities. Nimrata Haley was an Indian-American Sikh (who converted to Christianity) elected Governor of South Carolina; even if Jake Knotts, a Republican in the South Carolina senate, did call her and Obama "ragheads," can't blame that one on the Tea Party.

    That was just good old fashioned Republican racism. LOL
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    Feb 04, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    And from up here, I'm a tad amused that Socal et al thinks that liberals think there are no bigots in their party. Just like your party, there are bigots. Have you guys compared how many bigots in the liberal party make it to seats of political power and compare that to the conservative party?
    For example, the liberal party got into power and according to many liberals didn't do enough about equal rights of gays etc. The Republican party got back some seats and the first thing they're up to is removing rights.

    *starting to giggle*


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    Feb 04, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    TrentGrad said... Is there even a progressive wing of the Democratic party to compare to the Tea party?

    #3: The real problem with the Tea Party is that it's underlying message seems rooted in racism. Black Democratic president is elected...and their slogan is "we want our country back." The words in and of themselves are not racist...but the implications sure sound like they are....
    That was just good old fashioned Republican racism. LOL

    Depends on what you mean by comparing Democratic Party. I think the left wing of the Democratic Party is further left of center than many tea party supporters are to the right of center.

    You couldn't be further wrong about the basis for the tea party movement. It was all about big government, spending, and deficits. Even Republicans in the Bush administration were criticized. The whole racism bullshit was an attempt by the left and organizations such as the NAACP to marginalize the movement because its messages were resonating so well with the mainstream public, thereby reducing power of the tax and spend left. The racism aspect continues to be nothing but pure bullshit.
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidI love how the one lady says the tea party is racist and the man in their own ranks is racist by saying something that awful -- to put him back in the fields? You've got to be kidding me!

    It's like when leftwing demonstrators were yelling at Breitbart calling him a "faggot".


    Well hey, I guess anyone in the rank and file can be a racist...but that's not really news, is it?

    The Tea Party recruited Sharon Angle, didn't they?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQLtuRTF44


    Angle was never fit for office but she never said anything racist.

    That ad was right on! The truth isn't always convenient.


    Unless we're talking about "An Inconvenient Truth," in which case, Republicans and their supporters seldom want to hear about it.

    Mock, I'm a centrist. I mean, I've come down on you, Socal and SB because you are conservative...but I've also come down on reallifedad or whatever his name is, and a couple of others for their opposition to Israel.

    I will give you all headaches because I'm a wildcard: there are tenants of the progressive movement and tenants of the conservative movement that I fully support.

    That said, even I, a fellow who supported the deporation of a Mexican high school student from Toronto nearly 2 months ago, can see that a commercial that peppers the viewers with big, menacing Mexican stereotypes, and very young, hopeful looking white children and attractive, depressed white people (aside from Angle herself LOL) is racist.

    You would've done better to just acknowledge it was a bad commercial, but was an anomaly!
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
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    TrentGrad said... Is there even a progressive wing of the Democratic party to compare to the Tea party?

    #3: The real problem with the Tea Party is that it's underlying message seems rooted in racism. Black Democratic president is elected...and their slogan is "we want our country back." The words in and of themselves are not racist...but the implications sure sound like they are....
    That was just good old fashioned Republican racism. LOL

    Depends on what you mean by comparing Democratic Party. I think the left wing of the Democratic Party is further left of center than many tea party supporters are to the right of center.

    You couldn't be further wrong about the basis for the tea party movement. It was all about big government, spending, and deficits. Even Republicans in the Bush administration were criticized. The whole racism bullshit was an attempt by the left and organizations such as the NAACP to marginalize the movement because its messages were resonating so well with the mainstream public, thereby reducing power of the tax and spend left. The racism aspect continues to be nothing but pure bullshit.


    Ah, but you've tailored my quote to fit your argument: shouldn't you be tailoring your argument to attack my position?

    Again, "we want our country back" had not even been uttered in any meaningful way until after Obama's election. That seems racist! Dubya also ran up the deficit and debt...if indeed that was the issue. I think you're missing out on the social implications of it as well: even the most delusional Tea Party members seem to want America to resemble the Gary Ross film "Pleasantville."

    The harping on whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not, again smacks of more racism: after all, how many Presidents before him had to endure questions of where they were born? I guess Obama could've been more like Piyush Jindal in Louisiana, or Nimrata Haley in South Carolina: if you have a non-American sounding first name, either shorten it (as in Nikki), or invent your own (as in "Bobby")- though even that doesn't always work.

    After all, as I said in a portion of my comment that you curiously removed, it was a Republican State Senator from South Carolina who called Nikki Haley and Barack Obama "ragheads," though he later came back and claimed he was "joking."
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidI love how the one lady says the tea party is racist and the man in their own ranks is racist by saying something that awful -- to put him back in the fields? You've got to be kidding me!

    It's like when leftwing demonstrators were yelling at Breitbart calling him a "faggot".


    Well hey, I guess anyone in the rank and file can be a racist...but that's not really news, is it?

    The Tea Party recruited Sharon Angle, didn't they?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQLtuRTF44


    Angle was never fit for office but she never said anything racist.

    That ad was right on! The truth isn't always convenient.


    Unless we're talking about "An Inconvenient Truth," in which case, Republicans and their supporters seldom want to hear about it.

    Mock, I'm a centrist. I mean, I've come down on you, Socal and SB because you are conservative...but I've also come down on reallifedad or whatever his name is, and a couple of others for their opposition to Israel.

    I will give you all headaches because I'm a wildcard: there are tenants of the progressive movement and tenants of the conservative movement that I fully support.

    That said, even I, a fellow who supported the deporation of a Mexican high school student from Toronto nearly 2 months ago, can see that a commercial that peppers the viewers with big, menacing Mexican stereotypes, and very young, hopeful looking white children and attractive, depressed white people (aside from Angle herself LOL) is racist.

    You would've done better to just acknowledge it was a bad commercial, but was an anomaly!


    But that is the situation. Are the drug cartels inhabited by Germans? Are the illegal immigrants coming over generally composed of Russians? If this was WWII I'm sure we'd be having ads accurately portraying who represent the current -- the Germans.

    Your whole perception is founded on the same white guilt creed that if anything negative is said or portrayed by someone who looks "white" about someone who is non-white, it is automatically founded in racist feelings. That's the bottom line and it's just plain not realistic.

    If you were to make a video ad portraying illegal immigrants coming over the border, would you make them polish? Or would you just portray the truth?

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    Feb 04, 2011 4:33 PM GMT
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    The harping on whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not, again smacks of more racism: after all, how many Presidents before him had to endure questions of where they were born?


    I think this is just more playing of "The Race Card" and crying racism when in reality it had far more to do with Barack Obama's background and parentage than the color of his skin. Had Barack Obama been white, with a similar background, there would have been similar questions. Claiming that it was about the color of his skin is just a convenient scapegoat used all too often.
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
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    TrentGrad said... Is there even a progressive wing of the Democratic party to compare to the Tea party?

    #3: The real problem with the Tea Party is that it's underlying message seems rooted in racism. Black Democratic president is elected...and their slogan is "we want our country back." The words in and of themselves are not racist...but the implications sure sound like they are....
    That was just good old fashioned Republican racism. LOL

    Depends on what you mean by comparing Democratic Party. I think the left wing of the Democratic Party is further left of center than many tea party supporters are to the right of center.

    You couldn't be further wrong about the basis for the tea party movement. It was all about big government, spending, and deficits. Even Republicans in the Bush administration were criticized. The whole racism bullshit was an attempt by the left and organizations such as the NAACP to marginalize the movement because its messages were resonating so well with the mainstream public, thereby reducing power of the tax and spend left. The racism aspect continues to be nothing but pure bullshit.


    Ah, but you've tailored my quote to fit your argument: shouldn't you be tailoring your argument to attack my position?

    Again, "we want our country back" had not even been uttered in any meaningful way until after Obama's election. That seems racist! Dubya also ran up the deficit and debt...if indeed that was the issue. I think you're missing out on the social implications of it as well: even the most delusional Tea Party members seem to want America to resemble the Gary Ross film "Pleasantville."

    The harping on whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not, again smacks of more racism: after all, how many Presidents before him had to endure questions of where they were born? I guess Obama could've been more like Piyush Jindal in Louisiana, or Nimrata Haley in South Carolina: if you have a non-American sounding first name, either shorten it (as in Nikki), or invent your own (as in "Bobby")- though even that doesn't always work.

    After all, as I said in a portion of my comment that you curiously removed, it was a Republican State Senator from South Carolina who called Nikki Haley and Barack Obama "ragheads," though he later came back and claimed he was "joking."

    What you say and what you quote some saying is not relevant to the tea party. While there was discontent with the spending during the Bush years, it did not rise to the level that it is today. That and the arrogance in health care fiasco and the over-reach of govt in many of our opinions was the tipping scale that motivated the movement. And to further deflate your racist angle, the popularity of Reid and Pelosi was even lower. It is with most of us all about issues, and that's it.
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    BTW, TrentGrad, how can you possibly be a centrist when you were defending Chavez in the other thread? Or was that someone else?