Just in! GOP congress has FAILED!

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    Feb 04, 2011 3:49 AM GMT
    To do a damn thing about the economy or jobs as promised.
    Today is the 3rd of Feb and nothing (note 'nothing') has been done either on the house floor or senate floor about the BUDGET the ECONOMY or JOB creation as whined and screamed by GOP campaigns.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 04, 2011 4:21 AM GMT
    Damn -- it's only February. At least give it a year before you start whining about it.
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:25 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidDamn -- it's only February. At least give it a year before you start whining about it.


    Obama wasn't given a year was he?

    They've done nothing for the economy, violated their own rules, and any legislative action has amounted to stunt votes and firefighting the culture wars.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 04, 2011 4:37 AM GMT
    TropicalMark saidTo do a damn thing about the economy or jobs as promised.
    Today is the 3rd of Feb and nothing (note 'nothing') has been done either on the house floor or senate floor about the BUDGET the ECONOMY or JOB creation as whined and screamed by GOP campaigns.


    Newsflash CONGRESS DOESNT CREATE JOBS.

    But they sure can enact policies that forces them away.

    The best to hope for is that they role back some of the changes ( excessive unemployment benefits) , keeping taxes low and spending in check so that the economy can recover.

    Also to keep the treasury secretary accountable for the dollar valuation.

    It is a naive thought that government does a thing for jobs. But they sure will pass things that hamper the business environment.

    We can only hope that they just dismantle healthcare, enact something sensible with health care then go home for 2 years. ( like in the late 90's were Clinton had a republican majority in both house.s.

    We have the 2nd highest corporate tax structure in the world. Maybe change that.


    FYI
    Both branches of the legislature were held by Democrats since 2006.

    Yes Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi ran the congress since 2006

    Did you fault the Democrats for the economic downturn in 2008?

    A BIG NO.....



    nice try TropicalMark
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    Feb 04, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    TropicalMark saidTo do a damn thing about the economy or jobs as promised.
    Today is the 3rd of Feb and nothing (note 'nothing') has been done either on the house floor or senate floor about the BUDGET the ECONOMY or JOB creation as whined and screamed by GOP campaigns.


    Newsflash CONGRESS DOESNT CREATE JOBS.

    But they sure can enact policies that forces them away.

    The best to hope for is that they role back some of the changes ( excessive unemployment benefits) , keeping taxes low and spending in check so that the economy can recover.

    Also to keep the treasury secretary accountable for the dollar valuation.

    It is a naive thought that government does a thing for jobs. But they sure will pass things that hamper the business environment.

    We can only hope that they just dismantle healthcare, enact something sensible with health care then go home for 2 years. ( like in the late 90's were Clinton had a republican majority in both house.s.

    We have the 2nd highest corporate tax structure in the world. Maybe change that.


    FYI
    Both branches of the legislature were held by Democrats since 2006.

    Yes Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi ran the congress since 2006

    Did you fault the Democrats for the economic downturn in 2008?

    A BIG NO.....



    nice try TropicalMark


    There is SO much wrong with what you've written, I don't know where to start.

    1) Unemployment benefits are one of the most stimulative and inexpensive ways the government can bolster the economy in a recession.

    2) We have the lowest individual tax rates since before the Great Depression and they were in effect throughout the Bush years and did nothing to help the economy. In fact, they are the single most direct cause of the current deficit and soaring national debt.

    3) The corporate tax rate is a joke since most of our largest companies cook their books and pay next to nothing.

    4) The causes of the Great Recession had multiple longstanding causes reaching back to the 1970s and had nothing to do with the 2006 Democratic Congress. Read "The Big Short" by Michael Lewis if you want to know what actually caused it and who profited from it.
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    Feb 05, 2011 4:39 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    TropicalMark saidTo do a damn thing about the economy or jobs as promised.
    Today is the 3rd of Feb and nothing (note 'nothing') has been done either on the house floor or senate floor about the BUDGET the ECONOMY or JOB creation as whined and screamed by GOP campaigns.


    Newsflash CONGRESS DOESNT CREATE JOBS. Oh really? how come the GOPers have screamed about that for the last two years? You might want to explain that to them...

    But they sure can enact policies that forces them away. and they havent started have thay?

    The best to hope for is that they role back some of the changes ( excessive unemployment benefits) , keeping taxes low and spending in check so that the economy can recover. And they havent done a damn thing yet have they? yet they bitched like hell they would!

    Also to keep the treasury secretary accountable for the dollar valuation. Thats a global thing dear...

    It is a naive thought that government does a thing for jobs. But they sure will pass things that hamper the business environment.

    We can only hope that they just dismantle healthcare, enact something sensible with health care then go home for 2 years. ( like in the late 90's were Clinton had a republican majority in both house.s.

    We have the 2nd highest corporate tax structure in the world. Maybe change that.


    FYI
    Both branches of the legislature were held by Democrats since 2006.

    Yes Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi ran the congress since 2006

    Did you fault the Democrats for the economic downturn in 2008?

    A BIG NO..... nope... try the banking industry that led us into this with a house of cards that fell in the lap of thieves.



    nice try TropicalMark
    Try? I don't think so. facts is facts.. and just the facts ma'am!
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    Feb 05, 2011 4:51 AM GMT
    Here's a hug.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 05, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    musclmed said
    TropicalMark saidTo do a damn thing about the economy or jobs as promised.
    Today is the 3rd of Feb and nothing (note 'nothing') has been done either on the house floor or senate floor about the BUDGET the ECONOMY or JOB creation as whined and screamed by GOP campaigns.


    Newsflash CONGRESS DOESNT CREATE JOBS. Oh really? how come the GOPers have screamed about that for the last two years? You might want to explain that to them...

    But they sure can enact policies that forces them away. and they havent started have thay?

    The best to hope for is that they role back some of the changes ( excessive unemployment benefits) , keeping taxes low and spending in check so that the economy can recover. And they havent done a damn thing yet have they? yet they bitched like hell they would!

    Also to keep the treasury secretary accountable for the dollar valuation. Thats a global thing dear...

    It is a naive thought that government does a thing for jobs. But they sure will pass things that hamper the business environment.

    We can only hope that they just dismantle healthcare, enact something sensible with health care then go home for 2 years. ( like in the late 90's were Clinton had a republican majority in both house.s.

    We have the 2nd highest corporate tax structure in the world. Maybe change that.


    FYI
    Both branches of the legislature were held by Democrats since 2006.

    Yes Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi ran the congress since 2006

    Did you fault the Democrats for the economic downturn in 2008?

    A BIG NO..... nope... try the banking industry that led us into this with a house of cards that fell in the lap of thieves.



    nice try TropicalMark
    Try? I don't think so. facts is facts.. and just the facts ma'am!



    big YAwn... more like WAAAA 1 month into 1 house of congress changing you expecting something big.

    If you actually pay attention fiscal and pro biz conservatives never state congress or government create jobs just the opposite.

    The democrats lost the elections so they wouldnt make it worse and to reverse what they did already.

    both parties are to blame for not regulating FAnny/Freddy and Wall street.
  • GQjock

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    Feb 05, 2011 10:23 AM GMT
    Ah .......
    But there you have the answer grasshopper

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    What party DEREGULATED Wall Street in the first place?

    But Tropical Mark is wrong in one respect
    The republicans Have done some things
    They attempted to repeal the healthcare law even though they knew that it was a complete and utter waste of time and tax payer money to do so
    They read the Constitution .... leaving out the parts they didn't like icon_cool.gif out loud
    Mo' Money well spent
    They disbanded the House Committee on Global Warming
    They scaled back their goal of cutting 100 billion off the federal budget..... by half
    ..... oh and just this week republicans are redefining rape
    Drugged, raped, and pregnant? Too bad. Republicans are pushing to limit rape and incest cases eligible for government abortion funding.
    That's right
    To get the right to life people teeth gnashing to get Healthcare reform stopped
    the republicans want to stop federal funding of abortions
    for victims of rape who were not literally forced to have sex
    so someone slipped you a "ruffie" and knocked you up? .... Sorry not raped
    You're step Dad came into your room every night for 5 years and you got no bruises? ...... Not raped you're a tart

    That's what the republicans are doing .... Everything else that Tropical Mark is saying is true


  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 05, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    This thread is kind of silly. Let's have this conversation at the 1 year mark. To expect any major things from congress in the first month when we've had the Tucson shooting and collapse of Egypt to deal with is not realistic. How about we pick this up in Feb 2012 and see what kinds of results have taken place?
  • rnch

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    Feb 05, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    ach! how the shoe pinches when on the other's foot.....


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    Feb 05, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis thread is kind of silly. Let's have this conversation at the 1 year mark. To expect any major things from congress in the first month when we've had the Tucson shooting and collapse of Egypt to deal with is not realistic. How about we pick this up in Feb 2012 and see what kinds of results have taken place?

    ok, you lost me at the Tucson shootigs and collaspe of Egypt as reasons for a gung-ho GOP House from doing anything.

    But like I've said, they've boxed themselves in a corner with their rhetoricl. Don't raise taxes, balance the budget. That only leaves spending cuts. Ouch! Good luck with that, boys.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 05, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    Caslon17000 said
    ok, you lost me at the Tucson shootigs and collaspe of Egypt as reasons for a gung-ho GOP House from doing anything.


    My point was that a whole lot did not get done that 1st week with the Tucson shooting taking place and the aftermath, memorials, etc. so really they have only been back at work like 3 weeks. Regardless, even in the best case scenario, expecting a whole lot of dramatic change in a single month is simply ridiculous.
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    Feb 05, 2011 4:59 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Caslon17000 said
    ok, you lost me at the Tucson shootigs and collaspe of Egypt as reasons for a gung-ho GOP House from doing anything.


    My point was that a whole lot did not get done that 1st week with the Tucson shooting taking place and the aftermath, memorials, etc. so really they have only been back at work like 3 weeks. Regardless, even in the best case scenario, expecting a whole lot of dramatic change in a single month is simply ridiculous.


    CuriousjockAZ, I see a whole lot of dramatic changes going on in the first month with gay rights at State levels being repealed etc.

    -Doug
  • tazzari

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    Feb 05, 2011 6:07 PM GMT
    They were pretty quick off the starting blocks with more social regulation, though. They're busy with the IMPORTANT stuff!

    Nat
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    Feb 05, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Caslon17000 said
    ok, you lost me at the Tucson shootigs and collaspe of Egypt as reasons for a gung-ho GOP House from doing anything.


    My point was that a whole lot did not get done that 1st week with the Tucson shooting taking place and the aftermath, memorials, etc. so really they have only been back at work like 3 weeks. Regardless, even in the best case scenario, expecting a whole lot of dramatic change in a single month is simply ridiculous.


    CuriousjockAZ, I see a whole lot of dramatic changes going on in the first month with gay rights at State levels being repealed etc.

    -Doug


    Quoted because it bears repeating.

    Those elected officials were sure quick to introduce socially conservative bills regarding gays, as well as bills that require a presidential candidate to produce an original long-form birth certificate to appear on the state ballot.

    But we have to wait a year to see where their priorities are? With all the supposed anger coming from teabaggers, you would think that bills focused on the economy and jobs would have been among the first to get introduced.

    That is not what we are seeing.
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    Feb 05, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    They've already had their biggest accomplishment - which was merely to halt the radical leftwing socialist agenda. Everything else will be gravy.
  • rnch

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    Feb 05, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThey've already had their biggest accomplishment - which was merely to halt the radical leftwing socialist agenda. Everything else will be gravy.


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    Feb 05, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThey've already had their biggest accomplishment - which was merely to halt the radical leftwing socialist agenda. Everything else will be gravy.


    Which agenda was that? The one that saved the banks?

    Or the one that lowered taxes on every American?

    Or was it the policy that have led to record profits for businesses across the board?

    Or the one modeled after Bob Dole and Mitt Romney's health insurance reform plans that gives private insurance companies 32 million new customers?

    Obama is the to the right of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. To suggest otherwise, demonstrates a profound lack of knowledge regarding political ideology and history.
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    Feb 05, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    rnch said
    mocktwinkie saidThey've already had their biggest accomplishment - which was merely to halt the radical leftwing socialist agenda. Everything else will be gravy.


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    Yes, mocktwinkie, please tell us. Exactly what was the radical leftwing socialist agenda that the new congress halted? Because if you are talking about a recent judge's order regarding the health care bill, that was done by a judge who was appointed by Reagan.

    With unemployment as high as it is, and with an economy still struggling, you are suggesting that the remedies are just gravy? Compared to killing the health care bill?

    I'm glad you see it that way. And I'm glad the newly elected Republican representatives see it that way too. It will show moderates that all your crying about jobs and the economy was just hot air. You do not have your priorities set straight.

    Thank you. I mean it.
  • TrentGrad

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    Feb 06, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidThey've already had their biggest accomplishment - which was merely to halt the radical leftwing socialist agenda. Everything else will be gravy.


    That is a very weak, glib interpretation of things.

    I mean, given that Obama has ultimately made good on his attempt to try and form consensus (and more or less wasted the total control he and the Democrats should have enjoyed for 2 years), and given how he has broken his commitments to the political left by way of not closing Gitmo, among other things, your assessment amounts to little more than a sloppy attempt at trolling!

    C'mon mock...you're better than this! Even if you are an indoctrinated Republican, you use reason...something SB has never really been any good at.

    Whatever the case however, Republicans and Democrats better soon get on the same page...or they'll find themselves forced on the same page. If the US debt continues to grow like this, there's no question that the Democrats health overhaul will be repealled...and there's also no question that the Republicans will have no choice but to increase taxes...even on their rich benefactors!

    What Obama's efforts to continue Unemployment benefits ultimately did was help the banks avoid ever increasing debt defaults by those in the public who lost their jobs, and it also helped the states by way of keeping those unemployed persons off of state welfare rolls!

    When people are out of work, there is always a cost: the Feds shouldered it this time...so that the banks and the States didn't have to!
  • creature

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    Feb 06, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    I take you're not a marksman, Southbeach. Because you always miss the point.

    I only brought up the judge and who he was appointed by to show Mocktwinkie that what the judge did is separate from the efforts of the new congress. The Republican controlled house and the newly positioned Republicans have done everything else but focus on jobs and the economy.
  • rnch

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    Feb 06, 2011 1:37 AM GMT
    creature saidI take you're not a marksman, Southbeach. Because you always miss the point....




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  • creature

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    Feb 06, 2011 1:42 AM GMT
    And institute policies that promote job creation and economic recovery. Where are these policies?

    One would think that with all the teabaggers crying 'foul,' that these men and women would have drafted bills during the campaign, ready to be introduced to the floor as soon as the new congress officially began.
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:02 AM GMT
    Its a Republican failure so far, if for no other reason than they started out their term on bullshit actions for their TBABBER backers, rather than starting right out for the good of the many unemployed across the nation.

    They talked big about cutting debt with no real plans and aren't very serious about it or they'd be going after all the waste over at the Pentagon, how about recovering all the money lost on proven fraudulent war contractors/subcontrators, no bid contractors such as Cheney and Bush's Haliburton and KBR. or is that too "partisan" to go after the real money savings. rather than all the crazy repub talk of cutting Social Security which isn't funded by the Government anyways, its funded by payroll deductions, the efforts to privatize is a smoke screen, SS isn't costing the government anyway. So go where the money is being wasted, THE PENTAGON

    Then go for corporate welfare in the form of subsidies to big oil, subsidies for corps. moving their businesses out of the US. Deductions and loop holes to businesses to hide theire real incomes, causing huge tax returns to billion dollar Corps. and the list goes on. Or will that cut into repubs supporters ?? These are the places where the real money is being lost.