Looking to move; Need input from my RJ community.

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    Feb 05, 2011 7:43 AM GMT
    Long story short, I’ve decided to move out of Charlotte. Without going into details, a change of venue is at hand. I have chosen 13 cities to look at and I would like for some of you to give me your perspective on each if you have lived there or are currently living there. I have created a spread sheet with some of the criteria I am looking at for choosing the city. I would like to know what areas within the city are cool to live in, etc. Here are the cities and let me know fellas.

    Frontrunners:
    1. Kansas City, MO
    2. Kansas City, KS
    3. Alexandria, VA
    4. Austin, TX
    5. Seattle, WA
    6. Topeka, KS

    The others still on the list, but not looking so good:
    7. Cincinnati, OH
    8. Raleigh, NC
    9. San Diego, CA
    10. St. Louis, MO
    11. Wichita, KS
    12. Washington, D.C.
    13. Columbus, OH

    Thanks again fellas for the input!
    And I know that Kansas City is really one city, but for tax purposes and some others, I took the info and separated them.

    "Edited for a poster's sake."
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    Feb 05, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    While it is possible that the 50 guys who viewed this thread don't live in any of the cities, I know there are guys out there that live here and can give me a perspective. Come on guys. Help me out. :-)
  • darryaz

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    Feb 05, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    I would hardly call Kansas City or Topeka "cool to live in". Austin and San Diego get my thumbs up.
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    Feb 05, 2011 6:41 PM GMT
    It depends what is "cool" from your perspective, and what's important to you, which you failed to elaborate about.
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    Feb 05, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    I can only speak of Alexandria and Washington D.C.
    I lived near there for a year. You would be near some beautiful countryside, great city life, near NYC, lots of historic sites, great gay life in Alexandria and DuPont circle in D.C.
    It is probably more expensive to live there than Charlotte. Virginia has a state income tax, and a car emissions tag to buy every year. Both cities have a problem with crime (depending where you live). The summers are stifling. Be prepared for TRAFFIC, not as bad as LA.

    A friend lives in Seattle. She has to take a low dose anti-depressant for all of the gloomy days.
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    Feb 05, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidIt depends what is "cool" from your perspective, and what's important to you, which you failed to elaborate about.


    You are right, Chucky. And as I said in the post, I am not going to get into all that unless it is offline with someone who wants to elaborate and no one is going to read that much information. But I did add a couple of words for clarity specifying the "coolness" fo neighborhoods within the cities.
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    Feb 05, 2011 6:50 PM GMT
    Economic climate, as well as physical climate (anything cold is out in my book), job market, cost of living...

    These all seem to be very diverse and different choices. Please give us some of the parameters.
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    Feb 05, 2011 6:55 PM GMT
    I went to school in DC, so it's got my vote!

    Hope eveything is OK, E.
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    Feb 05, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    I'd steer clear of Ohio...until the economy rebounds. But, if you do move to the 'worthless nut' state (Buckeye) Columbus is pretty much a gay mecca for a Mid-western state.

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    Feb 05, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
    I love CA. Lived here my whole life. But it's getting pretty expensive to live there. And it's becoming less and less business friendly. At least to small business owners. So with that in mind, I would not recommend moving to SD, unless you have some type of job working directly or indirectly with the US government or military, since San Diego pretty much revolves around the military.
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    Feb 05, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    San Diego.
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    Feb 05, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    FlibbertyGibbet saidI can only speak of Alexandria and Washington D.C.
    I lived near there for a year. You would be near some beautiful countryside, great city life, near NYC, lots of historic sites, great gay life in Alexandria and DuPont circle in D.C.
    It is probably more expensive to live there than Charlotte. Virginia has a state income tax, and a car emissions tag to buy every year. Both cities have a problem with crime (depending where you live). The summers are stifling. Be prepared for TRAFFIC, not as bad as LA.

    A friend lives in Seattle. She has to take a low dose anti-depressant for all of the gloomy days.

    From my experience, the N Virginia traffic is much worse than LA.
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    Feb 05, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    Just saw your post, dear Erik. First, I wish you the best in this move. Second, question: what are your priorities & interests? I have been in every one of the 13 cities you mention, some only briefly, others where I lived.

    I spent 5 years in the Seattle area, living in its suburbs but going into the city itself all the time. It has a very vibrant gay community, centered around Capitol Hill (Cap Hill). It's not as rainy as they say, but you will wear a waterproof parka a lot, and drink coffee at every corner latte stand.

    http://www.seattle.gov/tour/capitol.htm

    The scenery around Puget Sound, the Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Olympic Mountains and the Cascades is simply breathtaking. But I'm an outdoors guy, and used to camp and ride my motorcycles all around there.

    Austin is very professional yuppy, if that term can still be used, fairly gay-friendly for Texas and close to San Antonio (which is decidedly NOT gay friendly) where I lived for 4 years. Lots of charming small towns in the Texas Hill Country nearby, with German names and heritages, of all things.

    Most of the other places on your list I find rather dreary, and I would scratch anything in rust-belt Ohio off your list. Raleigh isn't too bad, but I don't know enough about the gay climate there to advise you. Washington and nearby Alexandria are simply too expensive, attitude-driven and uptight, unless you land a really good prestige job with a high income.
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    Feb 05, 2011 11:25 PM GMT
    Ok, since a few of you have asked for this, I used this website to compare all the cities listed with Charlotte, NC. http://www.bestplaces.net/city/default.aspx?cat=ECONOMY&city=Kansas_City_MO&ccity=Manhattan_KS&p=2938000&op=2044250

    And I found a gaycity site that gave a simple synopsis of some of the major areas. I was looking at cost of living, crime rate, gay community activity, gay venues, housing cost and vacancy, economic outlook and a few others. I also see that a lot of traffic has come across my page from guys who live in these cities but no posts or email. What I was hoping for was someone from each place or who had lived in each place to tell me what his experience has been and maybe what are the best areas in the city to live in.
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    Feb 05, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidJust saw your post, dear Erik. First, I wish you the best in this move. Second, question: what are your priorities & interests? I have been in every one of the 13 cities you mention, some only briefly, others where I lived.

    I spent 5 years in the Seattle area, living in its suburbs but going into the city itself all the time. It has a very vibrant gay community, centered around Capitol Hill (Cap Hill). It's not as rainy as they say, but you will wear a waterproof parka a lot, and drink coffee at every corner latte stand.

    http://www.seattle.gov/tour/capitol.htm

    The scenery around Puget Sound, the Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Olympic Mountains and the Cascades is simply breathtaking. But I'm an outdoors guy, and used to camp and ride my motorcycles all around there.

    Austin is very professional yuppy, if that term can still be used, fairly gay-friendly for Texas and close to San Antonio (which is decidedly NOT gay friendly) where I lived for 4 years. Lots of charming small towns in the Texas Hill Country nearby, with German names and heritages, of all things.

    Most of the other places on your list I find rather dreary, and I would scratch anything in rust-belt Ohio off your list. Raleigh isn't too bad, but I don't know enough about the gay climate there to advise you. Washington and nearby Alexandria are simply too expensive, attitude-driven and uptight, unless you land a really good prestige job with a high income.


    Thanks. This is essentially what I am looking for. Appreciated very much. Looks like all agree I should scratch Columbus & Cincinnati.
  • rnch

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    Feb 05, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    ET, have you considered moving farther south?

    say...........New Orleans, LA?

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 05, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    Well of course, I think I'd live in Wichita over Topeka, KS ANY day of the week, and I've had experience with both, the latter when I was in law school... so I think putting Wichita, which is an awesome city on the back track is in itself a mistake.

    If I were to live in Kansas City, I'd take the Missouri side and not the Kansas side just because of the communities, things to do, etc. And the two Kansas Cities are a part of the same metro area, but are in fact two distinct cities. Of the others you listed, Austin certainly gets my vote.... Seattle as well.

    Good luck with it Erik!
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
    rnch saidET, have you considered moving farther south?

    say...........New Orleans, LA?

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    Deep south was rejected automatically, for reasons that I have researched and some personal reasons as well, but N.O. will always get a visit from me.
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    I would move to Fort Myers Florida a lot warm and beautiful place.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Feb 06, 2011 2:34 AM GMT
    I'm a Realtor. You're a nightmare client! lol Narrow the list down to 3, then call me.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Feb 06, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
    I grew up near Kansas City and have lived here almost my entire adult life.

    I would recommend living near the Country Club Plaza (Missouri Side)- it is the center of the arts, shopping, and restaurants. It is arguably Kansas City most cosmopolitan center. However there are nice loft choices downtown (Missouri Side) if that is important to you.

    There are plenty of close in suburbs with nice little town centers (Old Leawood, Prairie Village, and Mission in Kansas) and there are some quaint older cities that retained their small downtown characters (Parkville, Liberty, and Lee's Summit - all in Missouri).

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    Feb 06, 2011 2:47 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidJust saw your post, dear Erik. First, I wish you the best in this move. Second, question: what are your priorities & interests? I have been in every one of the 13 cities you mention, some only briefly, others where I lived.

    I spent 5 years in the Seattle area, living in its suburbs but going into the city itself all the time. It has a very vibrant gay community, centered around Capitol Hill (Cap Hill). It's not as rainy as they say, but you will wear a waterproof parka a lot, and drink coffee at every corner latte stand.

    http://www.seattle.gov/tour/capitol.htm

    The scenery around Puget Sound, the Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Olympic Mountains and the Cascades is simply breathtaking. But I'm an outdoors guy, and used to camp and ride my motorcycles all around there.

    Austin is very professional yuppy, if that term can still be used, fairly gay-friendly for Texas and close to San Antonio (which is decidedly NOT gay friendly) where I lived for 4 years. Lots of charming small towns in the Texas Hill Country nearby, with German names and heritages, of all things.

    Most of the other places on your list I find rather dreary, and I would scratch anything in rust-belt Ohio off your list. Raleigh isn't too bad, but I don't know enough about the gay climate there to advise you. Washington and nearby Alexandria are simply too expensive, attitude-driven and uptight, unless you land a really good prestige job with a high income.


    Ah, yes, uptight. Virginia is one of the most conservative areas of the country. Pat Robertson is based in Virginia Beach. Some cities are comfortable with gays, but other areas are very provincial and traditional.
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:50 AM GMT
    Hondaguy saidI would move to Fort Myers Florida a lot warm and beautiful place.


    Lots of cheap foreclosures to snap up. Be sure to find a job first, if you go. Incredible beaches! Captiva and Sanibel are gorgeous.
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:54 AM GMT
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    Hondaguy saidI would move to Fort Myers Florida a lot warm and beautiful place.


    Lots of cheap foreclosures to snap up. Be sure to find a job first, if you go. Incredible beaches! Captiva and Sanibel are gorgeous.


    +1 here.

    Ft. Myers/Cape Coral and all of Lee County is saturated with foreclosures, so you should be able to pick up on something. Employment is kinda scarce down there and there are no major companies with their headquarters in SW Florida.
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    Feb 06, 2011 3:09 AM GMT
    Well I cant tell you much about your frontrunners but I can tell you to avoid Cincinnati, it just isnt a place I would move to by choice.