Going Paleo?

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    Feb 05, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
    I have been wondering for a LONG, long time about trying the paleo diet, and reading Nate Miyaki´s article´s (and reading his website) and I´ve decided to take the plunge and try going paleo (in the moderated athletic way outlined here http://natemiyaki.com/nutrition/ ).

    Anyone want to try it with me? Anyone doing it already I can chat with?

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    Feb 06, 2011 1:02 AM GMT
    I did it for a few weeks last summer just to try it out.
    It works, but it wasn't consistent with my lifestyle...I like to eat out.
    So now, I go the unprocessed route as much as practical, and mix it up with a "regular" healthy diet...and the ever-so-occasional buttloads of sushi 2 or 4 times a week. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 06, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    It's good...guy I train with is always on it and I've used it to cut down bf%

    It's not material for long term mass monster though...and sugar cravings are a killer
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    Feb 06, 2011 1:05 AM GMT
    There were a few guys that at work that did this diet. They only did it for a short period, about a month. It worked, but in the end they have decided not to continue the diet anymore. There were just too many restrictions on the diet for them.
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    Feb 06, 2011 1:15 AM GMT
    Paleo fixes everything even at my age. It's quite amazing to find that fitness is more a function of diet than exercise. And as a diet goes it's effortless and delicious and you eat more not less.
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    Feb 06, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
    I've been mainly Paleo for over a year. It took a while for me to get over some of the restrictions, but if you do some research there seems to be a Paleo-friendly alternative to everything. Except toast. Sometimes I wake up dreaming that I can smell toast.

    But seriously, once you build Paleo into your routine, and allow for some guilt-free cheating occasionally, it's really not that difficult...though, be prepared to add some discretionary cash to your groceries budget, Real food tends to cost more than processed crap.
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:53 AM GMT
    Paleo rocks, but be prepared for weird food cravings that you never even liked. The first couple of weeks are tough, but overall its a great thing
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    Feb 06, 2011 3:06 AM GMT
    Man, i'm glad to know i'm not the only crazy one. i've been eating mostly paleo for about 2 months now, and i love it. Alpha13 is right, it fixes you up in ways that you had forgotten you broken. i don't know if i could ever go back to eating the old way again.

    Just like lots of these guys have warned, the start is rough. god i craved sandwiches and cookies pretty much non stop. a friend recommended a sanctioned cheat day once a week to start you off. That totally did the trick. I loved giving in to my cravings, but they made me feel shittier and shittier every time. so eventually i just didn't care any more.

    i tried to be super strict at the start, but like MsclDrew says the sugar cravings are a killer. a little fruit and some dark chocolate helped keep things under control til i could get used to living on less sugar and more protein.

    do it, man. you won't regret it. and i disagree with paulflexes and starboard a bit. i have no problems eating out with pals still, and honestly all this cooking is saving me a ton over eating out, even buying the healthy stuff.
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    Feb 06, 2011 4:40 AM GMT
    standstrong said a little fruit and some dark chocolate helped keep things under control


    There's fruit in paleo, though. All these diets derive from the same principle and the same family as the Atkins diet, which is re-directing the utilization of energy sources from the body (paleo romanticizes the principles behind its eating structure by giving you images of cave men foraging for berries), but all these variants pretty much the same major hallmarks:

    No wheat
    No corn
    No rice
    No sugar
    No starch
    No dairy (Anabolic and Atkins do allow cheese though, I do believe paleo doesn't, however if I'm not mistaken paleo admits to having different echelons of following paleo, so stuff like cheese is fudged. I also believe no bacon on true paleo but you can fudge that too. The first 5 though you can't touch.)

    Are you going to lose body fat? You bet your ass you will I did this for a year. Gain muscle? Forget it. Will the instant you stop this mode of eating will your body comp go back to what it was? You better believe it. Can you maintain this mode of eating for the rest of your life? Fuck no.


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    Feb 06, 2011 5:53 AM GMT

    Oog ep neep og nupps. *scratches self vigorously*

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    Feb 06, 2011 6:16 AM GMT
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    standstrong said a little fruit and some dark chocolate helped keep things under control


    There's fruit in paleo, though. All these diets derive from the same principle and the same family as the Atkins diet, which is re-directing the utilization of energy sources from the body (paleo romanticizes the principles behind its eating structure by giving you images of cave men foraging for berries), but all these variants pretty much the same major hallmarks:

    No wheat
    No corn
    No rice
    No sugar
    No starch
    No dairy (Anabolic and Atkins do allow cheese though, I do believe paleo doesn't, however if I'm not mistaken paleo admits to having different echelons of following paleo, so stuff like cheese is fudged. I also believe no bacon on true paleo but you can fudge that too. The first 5 though you can't touch.)

    Are you going to lose body fat? You bet your ass you will I did this for a year. Gain muscle? Forget it. Will the instant you stop this mode of eating will your body comp go back to what it was? You better believe it. Can you maintain this mode of eating for the rest of your life? Fuck no.




    I somewhat disagree. I've met a few people that have been on a more-or-less Paleo diet for decades. The mainstays of the diet - avoiding grain-based and sugary/starchy foods - have been around for over a century, just marketed under different names every few years or so. Hell, even Jack Lalane himself ate more or less Paleo, advocating a diet comprised mostly meat, fruit, and vegetables with minimal processed foods back in the '50s. The trick is to not think of it as a 100% strict diet with strict rules, but keep the general mainstays in mind.



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    Feb 06, 2011 8:57 AM GMT
    Well I´m going to start semi paleo... a la Nate Miyaki http://natemiyaki.com/nutrition/

    It´s actually how I ate until the end of last year happened. So it´s more a reboot than a fad. I´m still going to eat a little oatmeal, a little rice, and some starchy vegetables. I do a LOT of physical activity.

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    Feb 06, 2011 9:26 AM GMT
    Looks like a good diet to do for 3-4 months when you're cutting weight and leaning out but other than that no.
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    Feb 06, 2011 9:31 AM GMT



    I somewhat disagree. I've met a few people that have been on a more-or-less Paleo diet for decades. The mainstays of the diet - avoiding grain-based and sugary/starchy foods - have been around for over a century, just marketed under different names every few years or so. Hell, even Jack Lalane himself ate more or less Paleo, advocating a diet comprised mostly meat, fruit, and vegetables with minimal processed foods back in the '50s. The trick is to not think of it as a 100% strict diet with strict rules, but keep the general mainstays in mind.






    At some point Jack LaLanne changed his mind, the only animal products he was eating before he died was fish and egg whites.

    http://www.shareguide.com/LaLanne.html

    I don't see the appeal of Paleo personally, I could never give up starches, grains and sugars. The idea of meat with every meal would get old very quickly, especially at breakfast. That's not even getting into the ethical concerns of eating so much meat.

    There's a lot to be said to not eating refined grains and sugars and processed foods, but Paleo is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    It just seems like they're romanticizing our past, that it's the ideal way to eat and that any deviation we made from our Paleolithic diet is automatically wrong. It's all a giant (selective) naturalistic fallacy.
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    Feb 06, 2011 10:35 AM GMT
    Lostboy saidWell I´m going to start semi paleo... a la Nate Miyaki http://natemiyaki.com/nutrition/

    It´s actually how I ate until the end of last year happened. So it´s more a reboot than a fad. I´m still going to eat a little oatmeal, a little rice, and some starchy vegetables. I do a LOT of physical activity.



    The big concept of Paleo is that you only eat foods your body was designed to eat, which are the foods that were available to our ancestors as they evolved.

    The other guideline is only eating live food. Grains tend to be toxic unless they are processed to death. Sugar, in concentrations and amounts that we eat, can not be found in nature.

    I was amazed how quickly my old, fat body responded to this restorative diet. I never thought I could get abs at my activity level . There is no precedent for it in my peer group. I thought my genes wouldnt permit it either.. Its possible to lose 10 lbs of useless weight pernweek

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    Feb 06, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
    Paleo is not really a traditional diet option because it's not really designed for people who are intentionally trying to lose or gain weight. Paleo does not restrict your caloric intake. By tweaking the diet, you could lose or gain weight by manipulating the types and quantities of Paleo-friendly foods that you eat...especially if you are already somewhat fit/athletic.

    Paleo is a dietary option for people who are trying to increase their general level of health and fitness. Even if you are not allergic to gluten, dairy or peanuts, and even if you are not diabetic, there is a lot of evidence that would suggest eliminating or at least avoiding gluten, dairy, peanuts, sugar and high fructose corn syrup from your diet. Even though I am not diabetic or gluten/lactose intolerant, I have found that a Paleo lifestyle has enabled me to achieve a higher level of fitness and health in my 40's than I've ever known.
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    Feb 06, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
    What people call a "paleo" diet is essentially a ketogenic diet, which is fine. But, "paleo" is a silly thing to call it. It seems like adherents would like to believe that "cavemen" were strapping he-men bodybuilders who threw spears straight through raging mammoths, instead of the starving, half-dead waifs with 25-year life expectancies they were.

    The premises of the diet as they're often laid out are also fairly flawed. The logic of eating only foods that were supposedly available to our ancestors is silly. Our ancient ancestors were such poor hunters that a large portion of protein in their diet consisted of shattering bones of animals superior predators killed, and eating the bone marrow and brain tissue inside. Rigid avoidance of "processed" food is also a little silly; if you think the apples sitting on the grocery store shelf came right from Farmer Joe this morning, I have bad news for you.

    It seems fine to eat healthy and cut out things like overly processed foods, processed sugars, starch from pesticide-soaked root vegetables, etc., but it would probably be a better idea to do so for reasons that actually make sense.
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    Feb 06, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
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    I somewhat disagree. I've met a few people that have been on a more-or-less Paleo diet for decades. The mainstays of the diet - avoiding grain-based and sugary/starchy foods - have been around for over a century, just marketed under different names every few years or so. Hell, even Jack Lalane himself ate more or less Paleo, advocating a diet comprised mostly meat, fruit, and vegetables with minimal processed foods back in the '50s. The trick is to not think of it as a 100% strict diet with strict rules, but keep the general mainstays in mind.






    At some point Jack LaLanne changed his mind, the only animal products he was eating before he died was fish and egg whites.

    http://www.shareguide.com/LaLanne.html

    I don't see the appeal of Paleo personally, I could never give up starches, grains and sugars. The idea of meat with every meal would get old very quickly, especially at breakfast. That's not even getting into the ethical concerns of eating so much meat.

    There's a lot to be said to not eating refined grains and sugars and processed foods, but Paleo is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    It just seems like they're romanticizing our past, that it's the ideal way to eat and that any deviation we made from our Paleolithic diet is automatically wrong. It's all a giant (selective) naturalistic fallacy.


    I somewhat agree. The "Paleo Diet" as it is marketed gets kind of a cult following and places too much emphasis on the "eat like a caveman" BS. The main point of the diet is to shift the majority of what we eat away from carbohydrate-rich convenience foods and to make meats, vegetables, and low glycemic index fruits the staples. All the specific rules (eg. NO grains, NO starch, NO sugar, NO dairy) aren't nearly as important.

    Hell, I have a piece of bread once in awhile, and I'm eating starchy sweet potatoes and chugging milk to build a little bit more muscle. But the majority of my diet is still mainly meat, veggies, and fruit.

    As for Lalane changing his mind, this probably occurred about thirty years ago in the 1980s when a so-called "war on heart disease" began in the US, advocating (without convincing scientific or medical evidence) the idea that saturated animal fat causes heart disease. (Even today, there still isn't convincing evidence for that claim. If you want to learn more, read the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes, a prominent science writer.) Lalane was likely swept up in the "sat fat is bad" hubub.

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    Feb 06, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    Strict Paleo is very good for getting out the "I must have a huge source of cheap, fast carbs with every meal" mindset. And the Paleo rules are great if you don't want to keep track of your calories. And its not particularly ketogenic unless you eat nothing but meat. Which is expensive icon_sad.gif

    That said, I have oats post workout and eat rye at family lunches (actual rye, not the American toast bread) and I drink milk. And on my recent ski trip I gave up completely but all the chocolate bars and candy were too sweet to eat.
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    Feb 06, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    UFJocknerd saidWhat people call a "paleo" diet is essentially a ketogenic diet, which is fine. But, "paleo" is a silly thing to call it. It seems like adherents would like to believe that "cavemen" were strapping he-men bodybuilders who threw spears straight through raging mammoths, instead of the starving, half-dead waifs with 25-year life expectancies they were.

    The premises of the diet as they're often laid out are also fairly flawed. The logic of eating only foods that were supposedly available to our ancestors is silly. Our ancient ancestors were such poor hunters that a large portion of protein in their diet consisted of shattering bones of animals superior predators killed, and eating the bone marrow and brain tissue inside. Rigid avoidance of "processed" food is also a little silly; if you think the apples sitting on the grocery store shelf came right from Farmer Joe this morning, I have bad news for you.

    It seems fine to eat healthy and cut out things like overly processed foods, processed sugars, starch from pesticide-soaked root vegetables, etc., but it would probably be a better idea to do so for reasons that actually make sense.


    "critiques" like this do absolutely nothing to make your case. You don´t seem to understand paleo AT ALL.
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    Feb 06, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    pre_mortem saidStrict Paleo is very good for getting out the "I must have a huge source of cheap, fast carbs with every meal" mindset. And the Paleo rules are great if you don't want to keep track of your calories. And its not particularly ketogenic unless you eat nothing but meat. Which is expensive icon_sad.gif

    That said, I have oats post workout and eat rye at family lunches (actual rye, not the American toast bread) and I drink milk. And on my recent ski trip I gave up completely but all the chocolate bars and candy were too sweet to eat.


    It´s the Nate Miyaki soft version is actually how I used to eat before the second half of last year. I´m doing it mostly to reprogram. I think it would be a good thing for most peopel to do for that reason.
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    Feb 06, 2011 6:17 PM GMT
    The biochemistry /new science behind the diet can be found in "Paleo Diet for athletes". it's a hardcore read.

    It's unfortunate that America became obese because of the anti-fat ,bad science, of the 1970's. The other huge myth that keeps america fat is that cardio exercise is going to burn that excess fat. I see people at the gym on cardio machines the entire time im there and they just get fatter. I didn't do any cardio to lose my middle age torso fat.

    Paleo diet also increases energy levels so the lethargy that results from a processed starch processed / sugar diet dissipates and you don't drag through the day or through your workouts.
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    Feb 06, 2011 6:20 PM GMT
    Lostboy said

    "critiques" like this do absolutely nothing to make your case. You don´t seem to understand paleo AT ALL.


    lol, right, because we disagree means I don't understand the topic. Now I remember why I stopped posting on the RJ forums on "working out" and "nutrition" lol

    My point is that the premises of the diet are silly, not the implementation, and the results will probably be fine.

    Here's an example from the web site you posted:

    "This philosophy is simple: caveman eating. You should be eating exclusively natural foods that were available in caveman times (fish, lean meats, eggs, vegetables, seasonal fruits, nuts, seeds, water, period). "

    ...except that for cavemen, drinking water would have meant a painful death from diphtheria, cavemen would have been lucky to have gotten any protein that wasn't sucked from the inside of the bones of dead animals, and the idea that the fruits and vegetables we eat are "natural" is quaint at best.

    My qualms are about the silly backstory dramatics, not the diet itself, which is fine but not magic.
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    Feb 06, 2011 6:57 PM GMT
    yeah. I find the Cavey Wavy bit rather silly

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    but the bit you seem entirely to have missed (which is the important bit) is that the average diet has changed significantly faster than our bodies have had a chance to adapt to.

    Thus all your jibes about eating brains and bone marrow, bad water, etc are totally irrelevant. You really seem not to get it.
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    Feb 06, 2011 6:59 PM GMT
    I could go for some Cro Magnon man!

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