Can we please stick to the facts? The only way you can consider us winning the "war" (actually, it's the simultanous occupation of two countries while trying to head off terrorism and win hearts and minds worldwide, but...), is that we haven't left yet.
Iraq -- a mad cleric named Sadr has MORE power than that country's president, and is in league with Iran our rival in the region. Iran's leader can drive in a motorcade down mainstreet Bagdad, while our illustrious leaders have to sneak in unannounced like thieves in the night. Iraq has cost over 4,000 American lives and over 1 million Iraqi lives, with another 3-4 million driven from their homes. It's also cost us over 600 BILLION dollars and is depleting our military down to seriously dangerous levels! And THIS is winning??? What did we win? I don't want to see what some of you guys think losing is. You do remember that there were no WMD or ties to Al Qaida, right? Just checking.
AND Iraq's sucked up all the energy from Afganistan, and the borderlands with Pakistan where the REAL enemies are, like the ones who really pulled off 9/11. You know, Osama Bin...something, I forgot, just our current administration. Afganistan is now a narco-state that supplies 90% of the world's opium, the proceeds of which fund (anybody? anybody?) terrorists! The very same ones that have already attacked us!
Emailing back and forth with a guy over there, he's under fire EVERY day. The Taliban is back and stronger even then they were ON 9/11, and capable of launching attacks in batallion strength. This is ridiculous!
Oh, yeah, and the economy, the original thread...Bush has surrounded himself with cronies and ass-kissing idiots (remember Heckova-Job Brownie?). Obama and Clinton are doing a lot of talking, but they at least are intelligent enough to put people who actually know something where they can do some damn good. Given Clinton's support for that horrid bankruptcy bill, I give Obama the benefit of a doubt.