McCain -- "STAYING ON BUSH's COURSE" (here's some straight talk: McCain's fiscal program is either a joke or a fantasy) WHOSE ECONOMIC PLAN DO YOU LIKE BEST--CLINTONS OR OBAMAS ????

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    Mar 31, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    This story from Slate !!! by Daniel Gross, and can be found at http://www.slate.com/id/2187570?wpisrc=newsletter --- A quote from the article + "Reading McaCain's economic agenda and listening to his speach, it appears that the problem with the last eight yeras is that we haven't seen enough tax breaks for the wealthy, that economic royalism hasn't been pursued with sufficient vigor, and that the middle and working classes haven't been stiffed sufficiently" GOD GUYS WORK ON EVERYONE YOU CAN TO ELECT WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IS !!!! THE LAST THING WE NEED is "MORE OF THE SAME" ---- WHICH OF CLINTONS OR OBAMA'S ECONOMIC ECONOMIC IDEAS DO YOU THINK IS BEST?
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    Mar 31, 2008 5:05 PM GMT
    McCain is not strong on the economic front (he admits that). I am taking a wait and see attitude on his economic platform. Right now is parroting the party line about low taxes, he needs to keep the Republican power base happy.

    The big concern I have about the Democrats economic "plan" is there populist rhetoric about free trade and globalization. It plays well to the unions, but in this day and age, raising the moat bridge and trying to be protectionist is probably the worse thing you can do for the economy in the long run. Better to restructure your economy to phase out obsolete industries and re-train people in jobs that the USA can create and is good at.

    It is interesting when Obama mused about renegotiating NAFTA, one of the Canadian politicians said that Canada had some things it would like to see changed as well!

    It will be interesting to see if Bush's tax cuts are made permanent. I don't see how the USA is going to pay for the increasing costs of all the entitlement programs, plus defence and the Iraq war without jacking up taxes, or perhaps introducing a value-added tax.
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    Mar 31, 2008 8:40 PM GMT
    Clinton.
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    Mar 31, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    Clinton.
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    Mar 31, 2008 9:50 PM GMT
    Obama.
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    Mar 31, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Obama.
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    Mar 31, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Obama.
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    Mar 31, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Obama.

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    Mar 31, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    UHHHHHHHH !!! did you mean OBAMA !!!!! LOL !!! I'm starting to lean his way too, I just wish we could blend them though !!!!
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    Mar 31, 2008 10:45 PM GMT
    Definitely prefer McCain over either Obama or Clinton. I have no doubt that he will surround himself with economic advisors that will be up to the task. Clinton and Obama can talk the talk, but not convinced they can truly walk the walk.
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    Apr 01, 2008 7:08 AM GMT
    The Democrats plan on making the Smoot Hawley mistake this time.
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    Apr 01, 2008 8:11 AM GMT
    The economy was doing just fine until the Democrats took control of the Congress.
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    Apr 02, 2008 3:46 PM GMT
    Well military knowledge is much more important right now anyway. If we lose the war, our economy is flushed down the toilet, so no other issue really matters right now.

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    Apr 02, 2008 3:59 PM GMT
    if we lose the war? First of all, we have lost the war. Secondly, the economy IS in the shitter. Where are you buying your rose colored glasses, John? Swarvosky?
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    McGay saidif we lose the war? First of all, we have lost the war. Secondly, the economy IS in the shitter. Where are you buying your rose colored glasses, John? Swarvosky?



    We have NOT lost the war and we will NOT lose the war.
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    Apr 03, 2008 1:48 AM GMT
    Well damn !!! you could have fooled me !!!! haven't lost the war????? maybe not if you consider it won when we got Suddam Hussein, so lets just come on home and let them govern themselves. AH !!! it feels so good to win !!!!! OH !!! we gotta stay to Win again !!! what you guys wanting us to win now? LOOKS MORE LIKE A LOSE--LOSE PROPOSITION TO ME !!! and to most of the rest of the world. !!! Oh !!! YOU GUYS GOTTA READ THIS !!! John McCains Moderate Veil is a LIE !!!! http://www.opednes.com/articles/opedne_creede_c_080331_john_mccains_moderate.htm This tells about how he was chair of the committee which started the study group THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, which is the basis for a lot of the NEOCON principles who gave us the war debacle, and other policies which has put the USA in the state of decline that its now in under the Bushies, members of this group were Horowicz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Libbey, and several others whom Bush gathered around him to plan the war which they had talked of long before 911.
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    Apr 03, 2008 2:45 AM GMT
    Can we please stick to the facts? The only way you can consider us winning the "war" (actually, it's the simultanous occupation of two countries while trying to head off terrorism and win hearts and minds worldwide, but...), is that we haven't left yet.

    Iraq -- a mad cleric named Sadr has MORE power than that country's president, and is in league with Iran our rival in the region. Iran's leader can drive in a motorcade down mainstreet Bagdad, while our illustrious leaders have to sneak in unannounced like thieves in the night. Iraq has cost over 4,000 American lives and over 1 million Iraqi lives, with another 3-4 million driven from their homes. It's also cost us over 600 BILLION dollars and is depleting our military down to seriously dangerous levels! And THIS is winning??? What did we win? I don't want to see what some of you guys think losing is. You do remember that there were no WMD or ties to Al Qaida, right? Just checking. icon_confused.gif

    AND Iraq's sucked up all the energy from Afganistan, and the borderlands with Pakistan where the REAL enemies are, like the ones who really pulled off 9/11. You know, Osama Bin...something, I forgot, just our current administration. Afganistan is now a narco-state that supplies 90% of the world's opium, the proceeds of which fund (anybody? anybody?) terrorists! The very same ones that have already attacked us!
    Emailing back and forth with a guy over there, he's under fire EVERY day. The Taliban is back and stronger even then they were ON 9/11, and capable of launching attacks in batallion strength. This is ridiculous!

    Oh, yeah, and the economy, the original thread...Bush has surrounded himself with cronies and ass-kissing idiots (remember Heckova-Job Brownie?). Obama and Clinton are doing a lot of talking, but they at least are intelligent enough to put people who actually know something where they can do some damn good. Given Clinton's support for that horrid bankruptcy bill, I give Obama the benefit of a doubt.
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    Apr 03, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    To John43620 and CuriousjockAZ,

    If Abraham Lincoln were alive today, he'd bend both of you over his lap and stick pineapples up your asses. icon_redface.gif
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    Apr 03, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    Coolarmydude !!! Lincoln might not stop there either !!! he may TWIST AND TURN THEM !!! LOL !!!
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    Apr 04, 2008 7:50 AM GMT
    John43620 saidThe economy was doing just fine until the Democrats took control of the Congress.

    As I pointed out in another thread in which you made this assertion, no, the economy hasn't been doing well at all since Bush took office... and especially since 9/11. The Republicans controlled both House and Senate beginning with Bush's 3rd year in office, and continued that control until the current Congress conviened. Further, the economy historically turns downward during times of war, and the public's disdain of Bush's regime... er... I mean, Presidency... certainly has a role to play. All those billions of dollars he's throwing at a war that should have never happened, would do wonders for the economy. I've been hearing the Bush-ites talking about "the economy is fine, the economy is recovering" for nearly 8 years now... but I don't see it. In the industry I work in, we're the first to feel a down-turn in the economy, and the first to notice an upswing. The truth is, the economy is totally in the crapper and directly connected to Bush's war.

    As for the original question... Obama, not just on the economy, but on the other issues as well.
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    Apr 04, 2008 9:13 AM GMT
    The question was: "WHICH OF CLINTONS OR OBAMA'S ECONOMIC ECONOMIC IDEAS DO YOU THINK IS BEST?"

    I think the OP is asking which IDEA do you think is best; not which candidate you like best. I will say that so far, I've only heard rhetoric of "rich bad--poor needs democratic help" from both candidates, and appealing to unions.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:58 PM GMT
    The economy was running along nicely under the Clinton Administration. What was the magic we had then and not now?
    The Republicans controlled the Congress then. That was the magic.
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    Apr 04, 2008 3:00 PM GMT
    More than 1000 of our Iraqi allies laid down their arms yesterday. We haven't lost? Are you a bastard child of dubya gump?

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    Apr 04, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    MUST I ANSWER IN ALL CAPS?
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    Apr 04, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThe economy was running along nicely under the Clinton Administration. What was the magic we had then and not now?
    The Republicans controlled the Congress then. That was the magic.


    I contend that we are just now reaping the rewards of failed economic policies and legislative actions of the Republican controlled legislature prior to last year. It takes time for such actions to trickle through the economy. While the economic gains of the early Clinton administration are probably a by-product of Republican policies in the late 80's, the same theory rings true WRT to the more recent Republican legislature, but for the negative. Furthermore, the tremendous debt we've undertaken to finance the wars in the Middle East (primarily underwritten by China and Japan) has had a massive downward impact on our economy.