Any Gay Orthodox Jews on RJ?

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    Feb 07, 2011 9:29 AM GMT
    Are there any gay orthodox jews on RJ? The reason I am asking is because I would like to know how you can reconcile being gay and an orthodox jew.

    Also, I have a childhood friend who has tried to convert to Judaism for about 6 years, but all the Rabbis he has approached (in South Africa) turn him away because he is very honest about his homosexuality. He is not promiscuous and is a very decent guy. He practices judaism more than me, and I was born jewish.
    My Rabbi knows I am gay, but has never been nasty about it. He just says it's OK as long as I don't engage in any homosexual acts. But now my best friend, who is more observant than me, is turned away because he is gay. It just seems unfair. Does the same thing happen elsewhere in the world?

    I'd really appreciate some feedback on this.

  • barracuda68

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    Feb 07, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    Hey. Read your post. I'm Jewish too, though not observant. I pretty much consider myself ethnically Jewish but that's about it. I have a tough time with religion and with the belief that God creates you a certain way then punishes you for being that way.

    Anyway, coincidentally, an Muslim friend of mine just came out to his family and is dealing with similar religion-inspired nonsense. Thought you might enjoy reading a blog post I just wrote about it.

  • troy_par

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    Feb 07, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    One of the wonderful parts of Judaism is that we are not tied to a Rabbi to dictate our relationship with G_d. There are segments of the Jewish community (mainly reform) that have started to accept gays: However, this should not impact observance of our traditions. Though I belong to a reform temple, many of the members of the congregation follow conservative traditions. Ultimately, if you can accept yourself as being the YOU that you are intended to be and follow the Jewish Tradition, you are a good Jew.

    I recognize that many of us spend a lot of time looking for acceptance but we must first accept ourselves before we can expect anyone else to appreciate us for the unique and beautiful people that we are.
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    Feb 07, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    I just went to my first gay bar mitzvah 10 days ago.

    The prohibition on gay sex is just one of 613 commandments.
    It's not like one goes to "Hell" if he doesn't keep all 613.
    Focus on the other 612 and you'll be fine.

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    Feb 07, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
    I want to direct you to a wonderful website run by an amazing young man, Ely Winkler


    60 orthodox rabbis recently signed a letter denouncing reparative therapy for gay men and acceptance into the community.

  • hebrewman

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    Feb 07, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
    i'm heading to lunch but will ponder this. very interesting thread guys.
  • DCEric

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    Feb 07, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    heybreaux saidI guess it is a similar argument as you are gay AND republican?

    I think you don't understand how Judaism and Jewish culture work. A Rabbi, and a movement, do NOT determine your relationship with G-d. It is Christianity that requires a priest or other religious figure to connect the individual with G-d. My concept and belief is G-d that does not worry about petty things, such as what gives me an erection. You join a movement and a synagogue because you have similar beliefs to the others. Judaism encourages debate and study of religion, not memorization of requirements.

    /Reconstructionist Movement.
  • hebrewman

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    Feb 07, 2011 7:51 PM GMT
    actually, i believe that judiasm is by far, save for a few factions, one of the strongest supporters for LGBT issues and same sex unions. i belong to one of the largest schuls on the east coast, baltimore hebrew, and about 10 years ago, one of our assistant rabbis came out to the entire congregation on shabbat. this was the topic of his sermon and it was on national coming out day. he and his partner were even 'married' there shortly after. during the oneg shabbat (post service nosh for you non jews icon_biggrin.gif ) the support was amazing. this little old lady, recently widowed and was probably in her 80's, ambled up to rabbi peter and said, ''we are so lucky to have you as one of our spiritual leaders. i am blessed to have seen a day like this.'' i almost cried.

    i also think that judiasm, in the spirit of
    Tikkun olam ----תיקון עולם
    making the world a better place one person at a time, or, repairing the world in literal translation.

    a pragmatic faith, i am proud to call mine. if you do a google search for LGBT jewish issues, you will find a great deal of support out there. so, for my orthodox friend on here, fret not, it is what you feel in your heart and your relationship with Hashem that makes you and the rest of us whole.

    i hope i have shed some light on this subject. if not, i'm open to suggestions.

    BeTodah Me-rosh

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    Feb 07, 2011 10:55 PM GMT
    a close friend of mine is orthodox. never really asked, i feel its not a problem, or shouldnt be.
  • dglater

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    Feb 07, 2011 11:15 PM GMT
    Thats the thing, there isn't as HUGE of a conflict between being Gay, and being Jewish. You are "officially" breaking one of the 613 commandments, but even Orthodox agree, that close to NO ONE follows all 613 commandments.

    Its just some have an opinion that some commandments are easier not to break and practicing gay sex is one of them, but "officially" there isn't one that holds more power then the other.
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    Feb 07, 2011 11:17 PM GMT
    Proud Los Angelino of Italian Jewish heritage. I don't attend synagogue or honour the Sabbath, but that doesn't take away from what's in my heart, mind and soul. In my world, even without a Rabbis blessing, if you feel that special connection with our history and to the present day miracle of the State of Israel then you, too, are a Jew. Ciao v Shalom!
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    Feb 11, 2011 3:04 PM GMT
    Thanks for the feedback, guys!!!

    Shabbat Shalom!