DADT - Rewriting History

  • metta

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    Feb 08, 2011 8:32 AM GMT
    DADT - Rewriting History


    http://advocate.com/Print_Issue/Features/Rewriting_History/
  • musclmed

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    Feb 08, 2011 9:08 AM GMT
    metta8 saidDADT - Rewriting History


    http://advocate.com/Print_Issue/Features/Rewriting_History/


    Thanks Metta8. It has echoed what i have said in many a DADT threads.

    While some romanticize Obama, we have to keep up the fight. Really victory only happened after careful leverage. Unconditional support for the Democratic party is a mistake. It waters down the political power for gay voters. Really DADT happened only in the context of embarrassment.

    Only sustained pressure and continued media attention to the cause — which led to outright embarrassment for an administration and a Congress that failed to deliver all they had promised — will ultimately bring success. Remember that, because the revisionists are already trying to obscure it. Without an understanding of what really happened, we’re not going to win future battles.


    I totally agree with the article. It counters all the revisionism going on. That says that Obama came through and "meant to do it this way".

    Revise away RJ.
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    Feb 08, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    Hmm...you know I think politics are like a very very complex chess game. One can feign losing or defeat triggering an opposition to show/prove they can do it better. icon_wink.gif

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    Feb 08, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
    Yeah, thanks for posting it!
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    Feb 08, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Only sustained pressure and continued media attention to the cause — which led to outright embarrassment for an administration and a Congress that failed to deliver all they had promised — will ultimately bring success. Remember that, because the revisionists are already trying to obscure it. Without an understanding of what really happened, we’re not going to win future battles.

    I think most see the pending result and what was immediately prior but never look back far enough to see why it happened like it did.

    As much as the Log Cabin Republicans are bashed on this site, if it wasn't for their lawsuit and Judge Virginia Phillips declaring it unconstitutional, it would NEVER have gotten the White House and Congressional attention to begin with. They were caught between a rock and a hard place, either make a change or let the courts decide and set the precedents for future decisions. Not something Congress wants! The administration made this a campaign issue to attract votes, knowing it was a very low priority in the overall scheme of things. Forcing something to be done or allowing the courts to do their job was the breaking point.

    Kudos to Judge Phillips for her decision. She is really the forgotten hero in the demise of DADT, in my opinion!
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    Feb 08, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    Bravo for that article. O is no gay rights advocate in any sense if the word. In fact, the legislative repeal itself has an anti-gay aspect to it. It was repealed to keep the process in the hands of the military, because the Courts had and would gave again declared it unconstitutional. We had absolute victory once. O worked at the last minute to take it away from us ...and we're supposed to be grateful to him. Fuck Obama!
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    Feb 08, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
    Bravo for that article. O is no gay rights advocate in any sense if the word. In fact, the legislative repeal itself has an anti-gay aspect to it. It was repealed to keep the process in the hands of the military, because the Courts had and would gave again declared it unconstitutional. We had absolute victory once. O worked at the last minute to take it away from us ...and we're supposed to be grateful to him. Fuck Obama!
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    Feb 08, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    Bravo for that article. O is no gay rights advocate in any sense if the word. In fact, the legislative repeal itself has an anti-gay aspect to it. It was repealed to keep the process in the hands of the military, because the Courts had and would gave again declared it unconstitutional. We had absolute victory once. O worked at the last minute to take it away from us ...and we're supposed to be grateful to him. Fuck Obama!
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    Feb 08, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    Caslon,

    What people want to do and what they can do are two different things. Politics is extremely polarizing. I could equally condemn many past conservatives who just "haven't done enough".

    Believe me, Obama is one of the best you get in terms of what he wants to do. What he does lack, however, is any experience or skill whatsoever in getting anything done.
  • jeepguySD

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    Feb 08, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
    The article seems a little biased to me. It also omitts what I think is a very significant element of the dynamics in play leading up to the vote to repeal DADT: two federal courts had ruled that DADT was unconsitutional. I suspect that without the looming spectre of those rulings, Congress and the White House would have found excuses to postpone repeal. Of course, such repeal would never happen in a Repulican-controlled House or Senate.

    Furthermore, I disagree with the author's assessment that activists like Dan Choi helped the cause of repeal. Quite the contrary, the image of him, and his cohorts, chaining themselves to the White House fence, in uniform is something that played right into the hands of those opposed to repeal, hardening them against repeal, rather than impressing upon them need for repeal. Choi's actions, and other similar actions, made it more difficult for progressives to pass the necessary legilation to repeal DADT, and gave justification to those opposing repeal.

    While every service member has the right to demonstrate as a private citizen, making any politcal demonstration in uniform is expressly prohibited by military law (UCMJ) and frankly, is in very poor taste.

    Bottom line, I thank the Federal Courts and the House of Representatives. It seems that the White House and Senate would have been just as happy to see the repeal efforts die from neglect.
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    Feb 09, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    Oh, heaven forfend that we should protest in bad taste while people's careers are being ruined!

    I think the anger of the gay community demonstrated by the protesters helped drive home the point to a Democratic Party that was in a panic after the last election. They realized they are going to need every vote possible to hang on. Us gays suddenly became important. O is a closet homophobe.
  • creature

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    Feb 09, 2011 12:56 AM GMT
    The article is saying nothing new about civil rights that the history books haven't already taught us.

    Lincoln freed all the slaves with the second emancipation proclamation, not the first. And this was due to outside pressure from the abolitionists.

    Civil RIghts leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. exerted pressure on Lyndon B. Johnson for equal rights. Johnson asked them to wait.

    It all comes from the people. No rights have ever been handed to a minority willingly by those in power. Even if those in power want to do so, "politics" has been a crutch.

    President Obama, during his campaign, said he wanted DADT ended by the act of congress. And that is exactly what happened. Clinton signed the Bill into law, so its repeal wouldn't have happened during his presidency. Bush would have vetoed the Bill. Obama signed the repeal two years into his presidency.

    While following any political party unconditionally is foolish, the Democratic party has been a great asset for gay rights at the local, state level.