WT: California taxes away jobs while Texas adds them

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    Feb 09, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/02/california-taxes-away-jobs-while-texas-adds-them

    In 2008, 70 percent of all the jobs in the country were created in Texas. In 2009, all of America's top five job-creating cities were in Texas.

    More recently, "Texas created 129,000 new jobs in the last year -- over one-half of all the new jobs in the U.S. In contrast, California lost 112,000 jobs during the same period," according to "Texas vs. California: Economic growth prospects for the 21st Century," a new report by the Texas Public Policy Foundation released in October.

    Texas is home to 64 Fortune 500 companies -- more than any other state in the union. (California has 51 and New York has 56.) For five years in a row, Texas has topped Chief Executive magazine's poll of the best state to do business.

    Meanwhile, California is ranked dead last in the Chief Executive's survey. California state treasurer Bill Lockyer even went so far as to pen a Dec. 20 op-ed in the Los Angeles Times denying "the claim that we have a hostile business climate."

    So why are businesses flocking to Texas and fleeing California? Well, as a recent headline from The Economist put it, in California "They paved paradise and put up the parking taxes."
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    Feb 09, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
    There are signs even as I look around in our towns, that the jobs and businesses are recovering here in TX. My town's avg income is within 5% of the national income. It will only get better with spring and the new construction jobs, and more spots in industrial factories, as well as shipping and merchandising-a huge part of our economy.
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    California is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.
  • mke_bt

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    Feb 09, 2011 10:20 PM GMT

    Texas Gov. Perry sure jumped on that stimulus money to balance his budget.

    As far as CA, are you at all optimistic about Gov. Brown making the tough decisions to bring the debt under control? I'm not looking for an argument, just curious as to what's going on. It seems like he's not afraid to ruffle feathers. If his budget is as austere as his personal spending I can see CA slowly turning around.
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    Texas Gov. Perry sure jumped on that stimulus money to balance his budget.

    As far as CA, are you at all optimistic about Gov. Brown making the tough decisions to bring the debt under control? I'm not looking for an argument, just curious as to what's going on. It seems like he's not afraid to ruffle feathers. If his budget is as austere as his personal spending I can see CA slowly turning around.


    Heh. Seriously? Instead of actually dealing with the problems, his administration seems to be more actively pursuing the mantra that not only isn't there a problem but that they can borrow in order to push off the day of reckoning into the future. Example:
    http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/02/09/governor-cancels-sale-government-buildings/

    Even the cell phone take backs seem limited at best. Florida will be interesting to watch:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703507804576130592151173306.html

    Note that while Texas did take stimulus money to balance the budget, it took far less than almost any state @ $985/capita:
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/static/stimulus/map/graphics/heatmap/index.html
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    Feb 09, 2011 11:14 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Do you smell florida in your future often?
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    Feb 10, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Do you smell florida in your future often?

    As annoying as I find some things about California to be, it really does not affect my lifestyle. I really like my town, parts of the area, the climate, and the many things the area offers. Many of the people I know are a combination of low-key, yet very sophisticated. I'm pretty familiar with different parts of Florida. I don't think there is any area there that I would like as much as where I'm at, but their politics is definitely much better.
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    Feb 10, 2011 1:12 AM GMT
    There are about to be a few more jobs in Texas. The company we created from "The Great RealJock Entrepreneurs Challenge" has equipment in place and should begin its first shift operations on or around March 14th.

    I laugh my ass off thinking about the union bozos believing there will be salvation in their shops. Got to love TEXAS.

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    conservativejock saidThere are about to be a few more jobs in Texas. The company we created from "The Great RealJock Entrepreneurs Challenge" has equipment in place and should begin its first shift operations on or around March 14th.

    I laugh my ass off thinking about the union bozos believing there will be salvation in their shops. Got to love TEXAS.

    What a vicious, ignorant, and cruel thing to say about American workers. What next -- let them eat cake? What a waste you are. American workers as your wage slaves.

    Got to LOVE Texas, huh? And got to HATE the exploiters who would take advantage of such things for their own selfish gain. Disgusting in the extreme...
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    conservativejock saidThere are about to be a few more jobs in Texas. The company we created from "The Great RealJock Entrepreneurs Challenge" has equipment in place and should begin its first shift operations on or around March 14th.

    I laugh my ass off thinking about the union bozos believing there will be salvation in their shops. Got to love TEXAS.

    What a vicious, ignorant, and cruel thing to say about American workers. What next -- let them eat cake? What a waste you are. American workers as your wage slaves.

    Got to LOVE Texas, huh? And got to HATE the exploiters who would take advantage of such things for their own selfish gain. Disgusting in the extreme...


    What a stupid thing to say. To conflate the success of unions and their militant leaders with that of American workers. Exploiters go out of business because they attract the worst employees. Funny how competition works and even funnier how some people just don't get that.
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    Art_Deco said
    conservativejock saidThere are about to be a few more jobs in Texas. The company we created from "The Great RealJock Entrepreneurs Challenge" has equipment in place and should begin its first shift operations on or around March 14th.

    I laugh my ass off thinking about the union bozos believing there will be salvation in their shops. Got to love TEXAS.

    What a vicious, ignorant, and cruel thing to say about American workers. What next -- let them eat cake? What a waste you are. American workers as your wage slaves.

    Got to LOVE Texas, huh? And got to HATE the exploiters who would take advantage of such things for their own selfish gain. Disgusting in the extreme...


    What a stupid thing to say. To conflate the success of unions and their militant leaders with that of American workers. Exploiters go out of business because they attract the worst employees. Funny how competition works and even funnier how some people just don't get that.


    The relative health of unions tracks exactly to increased wages and benefits for most working people, even those in White Collar positions. That's not a conflation, that's a fact.

    And I find the union leaders no more militant than the Tea Baggers or their funders, The Koch Brothers. Despite record low income and corporate taxes, there's just complete hysteria every night on Faux News and every minute on Drudge, The Daily Caller and Free Republic.
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    Feb 10, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

  • xher

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    Feb 10, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
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    What California needs is drastic cuts and nobody in the legislature up in Sacramento is going to go along with making drastic cuts.

    So in essence, we're just waiting for the default / bankruptcy. It might be in a few months... might be a few more years.


    A drastic cut would be for them to withhold the 75+ billion they pay every year to failing red states.
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    Feb 10, 2011 5:14 AM GMT
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    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.



    so your saying prop 13? and or taxes are just way too low in California?

    The state coffers are a bottomless pit. Take San Francisco , which was such beautiful city.
    It is now a sewer of roving homeless who are paid and essentially kept homeless.

    Coupled with a good climate, it has become a haven for people just farting it out in Socal on unemployment.

    Meanwhile hardworking mexicans risk there lives to come across the boarder to work for jobs some just wont do.
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    Feb 10, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.




    Yes, there are similarities.
    CA just booted the Repubs out of the Governor's mansion, much like the U.S. booted the Repubs out of the White House in 2008.
    And, both Bush and Schwazenegger left office with approval numbers in the low 20's.
    Very similar.

    And while CA is projected to run a deficit in 2012 of 18.7% of it's total budget - the fact is that TX is projected to run a deficit of 17% of it's total budget in 2012.
    So, the bogus idea that TX is in good fiscal shape is just yet more right-wing BS.
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    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.



    And, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.
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    Feb 10, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidAnd, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.


    Yeah cuz the recession only really affected California. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.

    Last time you brought this up I showed how high Californians are taxed in several categories compared to other states. So this argument is false. The problems are spending too high along with very high taxes. The fault lies squarely with the Democrats, their unholy alliance with unions, especially public employees unions, providing them lavish entitlements, far more than those received by non-public employees and other entitlements.
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    rickrick91 said
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.



    And, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.

    We have demonstrated numerous times how the Democrats were responsible for the bad mortgages that led to the crisis, along with financial industry practices. I also in another thread reprinted McCain's speech on the Senate floor introducing regulations on Fannie and Freddie, and how the Democrats were motivated to block it. It was near the end of the thread. Your response there was moronic, not addressing anything substantive, so I wouldn't expect to hear anything substantive from you here.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1367162
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/
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    rickrick91 saidAnd, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.


    Yeah cuz the recession only really affected California. icon_rolleyes.gif



    You should try reading and comprehending posts before you respond to them.
    I clearly described the 2007-2009 Bush recession as a "nationwide" recession.
    That means it was felt NATIONWIDE.
    So, your claim that I was describing the recession as only affecting CA is completely bogus.
    But, nice try.


    Also, you've posted ZERO proof that "California taxes" have anything to do with the job situation in CA.
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    Feb 10, 2011 7:24 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.



    And, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.

    We have demonstrated numerous times how the Democrats were responsible for the bad mortgages that led to the crisis, along with financial industry practices. I also in another thread reprinted McCain's speech on the Senate floor introducing regulations on Fannie and Freddie, and how the Democrats were motivated to block it. It was near the end of the thread. Your response there was moronic, not addressing anything substantive, so I wouldn't expect to hear anything substantive from you here.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1367162
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/




    And, we've responded to your pathetic attempts to spin out the right-wing BS that the Democrats were responsible for the housing crisis, with the FACTS that the Repubs were in complete charge of the White House and the Congress and could have fixed any problem or blocked any legislation they didn't agree with.
    DUH.
    And we've posted evidence of Bush's strong support for exactly what led to the housing crisis that hit on HIS watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

    So, what you're trying to spin people into believing is nothing but a pile of right-wing BS.

    You'll notice that MY post doesn't include any lame attempts at a personal attack, unlike your post which, as usual, DOES.
    It's too bad that you're incapable of having a discussion on the facts without stooping to pointless and ugly personal attacks.
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    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.



    And, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.

    We have demonstrated numerous times how the Democrats were responsible for the bad mortgages that led to the crisis, along with financial industry practices. I also in another thread reprinted McCain's speech on the Senate floor introducing regulations on Fannie and Freddie, and how the Democrats were motivated to block it. It was near the end of the thread. Your response there was moronic, not addressing anything substantive, so I wouldn't expect to hear anything substantive from you here.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1367162
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/




    And, we've responded to your pathetic attempts to spin out the right-wing BS that the Democrats were responsible for the housing crisis, with the FACTS that the Repubs were in complete charge of the White House and the Congress and could have fixed any problem or blocked any legislation they didn't agree with.
    DUH.
    And we've posted evidence of Bush's strong support for exactly what led to the housing crisis that hit on HIS watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

    So, what you're trying to spin people into believing is nothing but a pile of right-wing BS.

    You'll notice that MY post doesn't include any lame attempts at a personal attack, unlike your post which, as usual, DOES.
    It's too bad that you're incapable of having a discussion on the facts without stooping to pointless and ugly personal attacks.

    Two simple facts
    1) I never said the Republicans were blameless. They could have likely forced the bill through, but failed to do so. That does not detract from the Democratic attempts to derail the bill, which they did, and their other connections with Fannie and Freddie, that you completely failed to address.
    2) Very funny how my characterization of your response as "moronic" was a pointless and ugly personal attack, but your characterization of my response as "pathetic attempts" is not. LOL
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    Feb 10, 2011 8:33 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    socalfitness said
    rickrick91 said
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    socalfitness saidCalifornia is the perfect example of what happens when the entitlement mentality runs amok, fueled by willing politicians, labor organizations, and an electorate who thinks there is no end to the gravy train. As a Californian, I am very disappointed to see what is happening to my state. What is especially amazing to me is the number of people, fortunately small in percentage although large on RJ, who fail to see how the California example applies to the country as a whole.


    Its a good thing they stagger the state aid checks there would be a earthquake from the weight imbalance of people rushing to there mailboxes.

    California's problems can all be traced back to one man----Howard Jarvis, loon and Republican.

    The state's woes are a perfect example of Republican policies sending a polity into the ditch.



    And, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.

    We have demonstrated numerous times how the Democrats were responsible for the bad mortgages that led to the crisis, along with financial industry practices. I also in another thread reprinted McCain's speech on the Senate floor introducing regulations on Fannie and Freddie, and how the Democrats were motivated to block it. It was near the end of the thread. Your response there was moronic, not addressing anything substantive, so I wouldn't expect to hear anything substantive from you here.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1367162
    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/




    And, we've responded to your pathetic attempts to spin out the right-wing BS that the Democrats were responsible for the housing crisis, with the FACTS that the Repubs were in complete charge of the White House and the Congress and could have fixed any problem or blocked any legislation they didn't agree with.
    DUH.
    And we've posted evidence of Bush's strong support for exactly what led to the housing crisis that hit on HIS watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

    So, what you're trying to spin people into believing is nothing but a pile of right-wing BS.

    You'll notice that MY post doesn't include any lame attempts at a personal attack, unlike your post which, as usual, DOES.
    It's too bad that you're incapable of having a discussion on the facts without stooping to pointless and ugly personal attacks.

    Two simple facts
    1) I never said the Republicans were blameless. They could have likely forced the bill through, but failed to do so. That does not detract from the Democratic attempts to derail the bill, which they did, and their other connections with Fannie and Freddie, that you completely failed to address.
    2) Very funny how my characterization of your response as "moronic" was a pointless and ugly personal attack, but your characterization of my response as "pathetic attempts" is not. LOL



    BS.
    You stated that "the Democrats were responsible for the bad mortgages that led to the (housing) crisis".
    That CLEARLY is an attempt to blame the housing crisis on the Democrats.
    You didn't mention ANY guilt that the Repubs bear, and you ignored the FACT that Bush - as proven in the speech I posted - supported the very same policies that the Democrats supported.

    And, I used "pathetic" as a description of the attempts you made to spin and decieve people.
    I did not use it as a description of you.
    Your use of the word "moronic" is clearly an attack on me.
    A moron is a PERSON, and the use of the word "moronic" is descriptive of a PERSON.
    As you used the word, it's very clear that you meant that the PERSON who made the comment is a moron.

    Apparently - anyone who holds opinions different than your own, and anyone who bases their opinions on FACTS rather than right-wing BS - is a moron by your definition.
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    rickrick91 saidAnd, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.


    Yeah cuz the recession only really affected California. icon_rolleyes.gif



    You should try reading and comprehending posts before you respond to them.
    I clearly described the 2007-2009 Bush recession as a "nationwide" recession.
    That means it was felt NATIONWIDE.
    So, your claim that I was describing the recession as only affecting CA is completely bogus.
    But, nice try.


    Also, you've posted ZERO proof that "California taxes" have anything to do with the job situation in CA.


    Not sure how much proof you want. Try reading for a change. The differences between how California and Texas have dealt with their problems is a stark contrast - almost as stark as the results. As bitter, and deluded you may be, you seem to want to stick your head in the sand and claim no such differences exist while California heads blissfully towards default. Try being relevant for a change.
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    rickrick91 saidAnd, of course the nationwide 2007-2009 Bush recession hit CA hard too.
    As well as the housing crisis that hit on the Bush/Repub Congress's watch.


    Yeah cuz the recession only really affected California. icon_rolleyes.gif



    You should try reading and comprehending posts before you respond to them.
    I clearly described the 2007-2009 Bush recession as a "nationwide" recession.
    That means it was felt NATIONWIDE.
    So, your claim that I was describing the recession as only affecting CA is completely bogus.
    But, nice try.


    Also, you've posted ZERO proof that "California taxes" have anything to do with the job situation in CA.


    Not sure how much proof you want. Try reading for a change. The differences between how California and Texas have dealt with their problems is a stark contrast - almost as stark as the results. As bitter, and deluded you may be, you seem to want to stick your head in the sand and claim no such differences exist while California heads blissfully towards default. Try being relevant for a change.



    Not sure where you're getting your ideas.
    "Try reading for a change".
    Here you go...read this so you can stop being so misinformed.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-state-budget-crisis-2011-1?slop=1
    The difference between CA and TX is in policies - NOT in results.
    Your description of the "results" in the two states as starkly different is totally false.
    Both states face massive budget gaps.

    And, what a shame that - like socal - you just can't resist launching lame personal attacks against anyone who has a different opinion or is more well-informed than you.
    Clearly, I'm not the one who holds "bitter" personal animosity.
    I stick to the issues and the facts.