Why Eat Clean????

  • titojtd

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    Feb 12, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    Everywhere I look, when people talk about the bodybuilding diet they always say that you need to "eat clean", i.e. cut out the crap/overly processed food in your diet and stick to wholesome foods. While that's good and all, is it completely necessary???

    Let me explain myself:
    When you're bodybuilding you're trying to build muscle. When building muscle you need ample amounts of complete protein, calories, and carbs, and as long and those requirements are met your body doesn't seem to care where they come from.

    Another thing that concerns people is insulin levels. People say that if you eat shit food (usually referring to sugary and/or overly refined foods) then this will cause a surge in insulin levels and eventually cause a crash and fat gain. While this is indeed true, if you consume a low GI food with a medium or high GI food then your insulin levels will remain steady, right? So as long as you eat something with a low GI every time you eat, couldn't you indulge the "crap" food to meet calorie and carbs needs?

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    Feb 12, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
    I TRY to eat healthy but i dont eat clean.
    Obviously no to sodas and little fast food if necessary but, if you dont have time and money you do what you can.
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    Feb 12, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
    Are you getting the results that you want, doing what you do? Otherwise you may want to shake it up a bit. If nothing else eating clean will save you some tp.

    Oh, and you may want to try to avoid having a stroke: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110209/ap_on_he_me/us_med_stroke_diet_soda (when correcting for waistline, smoking, diabetes, etc diet soda or diet soda alternated with regualr correlated with a 50% increased chance of stroke. Salt was worse)
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    Feb 12, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    Because nutrition history is short. It's a new science. Processed foods are new, and we KNOW they have fewer nutrients than the original food. We also know that there are lots of phytochemicals in fruits/veggies that are not provided by vitamins/supplements and are absent from diets lacking natural foods. Are you willing to wait to become a reason we fortify or enrich food with something else to prevent some easily preventable disease if you just ate the normal natural foods we've been eating for the past millenium? Your parents didn't grow up eating whey protein powder shakes as a diet staple. They also had a more physically active lifestyle until the computer/internet age, when jobs became sedentary for the most part. Things are different now. I don't think chickens were fed hormones to bulk them up faster and neither were cows. Cows used to be fed grass...

    We'll get to find out the consequences of this hopefully in the next 20 years.
  • shag91607

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    Feb 12, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    titojtd said
    Let me explain myself:
    When you're bodybuilding you're trying to build muscle. When building muscle you need ample amounts of complete protein, calories, and carbs, and as long and those requirements are met your body doesn't seem to care where they come from.


    Long answer to a short question.

    It's not true. Your body knows exactly where these things come from. Refined and processed foods strip nutrients out for the sake of texture and/or shelf life and the body. They're nutritionally void since they've been stripped and bleached of any additional benefits. They simple carbs release into the bloodstream, spike insulin and cause the sugar crash/high that you mentioned. Insulin spikes cause hunger which makes you eat more.

    Complex carbs, however, are dense and make you feel full while supplying you with the additional nutrients as they're intended. The easiest way to compare this is imagine you're on a budge of 1000 dollars a day (I know - I wish). You can spend 200 of it premium gasoline that will fuel your car for 8 hours and clean out the engine or spend 250 of it on gasoline that will fuel your car for 2 hours and add gunk into your fuel lines. Now think of that budget as your calorie intake.

    There's a great "scale" called the ANDI scale (aggregate nutrient density index) that ranks foods by the amount of nutrients it packs in the amount of food that you eat. You want to eat high ANDI items to get the biggest bang for you caloric buck basically. Fresh greens top the list, and refined sugars/carbs are at the bottom. You can get clean, cheaply, and efficiently while maximizing your vitamin/mineral intake, feel full, and avoid sugar spikes.

    As an FYI, sugar spikes are bad because sugar is naturally acidic in your bloodstream. Your body will see sugar spikes in your bloodstream and respond with it's natural defense mechanism and produce fat cells to buffer your organs from what it sees as your acidic blood (blood has a very narrow pH tolerance range). A sugar spike every once and a while isn't a bad thing, but a constant daily routine sugar spike will put your body in a natural fat producing mentality.
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    Feb 12, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
    titojtd said So as long as you eat something with a low GI every time you eat, couldn't you indulge the "crap" food to meet calorie and carbs needs?



    You just contradicted yourself. Your body absorbs nutritional garbage and stores its calories like wildfire. There is no "low GI" crap. Lest of course you refer to something with pure fat. In which case your body will use the carbohydrates you consume as energy and store the fatty crap...as fatty crap. Lest you refer to a non-carbohydrate Atkins-like mode of eating, which is an entirely different beast.

    Long story short, there are no fun junk-food filled paths to having a lean muscular body. There aren't. Internalize it and move on.
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    Feb 12, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
    im gluten intolerant... so i pretty much HAVE to eat clean, unless its something with sugar, but i dont really get sugar cravings or anything. I miss hamburgers on a nice big bun icon_sad.gif
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    Feb 12, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 saidim gluten intolerant... so i pretty much HAVE to eat clean, unless its something with sugar, but i dont really get sugar cravings or anything. I miss hamburgers on a nice big bun icon_sad.gif


    Try Food For Life gluten free breads. They're surprisingly good. Best gluten free bread line out there and they're adding in a hot dog/hamburger bun line mid-Spring (I think it's launching in May?)
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    Feb 12, 2011 11:21 PM GMT
    Just read that the OP is a vegan. I have no advice.
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    Feb 13, 2011 1:36 AM GMT
    If he's vegan, there's a website called veganbodybuilding.com He should check it out. It's not optimal for muscle building unless you go all soy, which it sounds like you aren't.
  • titojtd

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    Feb 13, 2011 4:20 AM GMT
    Thanks for the responses everyone. I will say though that, even though it was incredibly simple, pre_mortem's first comment was what clicked the most with me. I've already adjusted my diet so that most of the overly processed stuff is out and a lot more wholesome stuff is in. I've also added some BCAA's and glutamine into my diet and I can already tell a HUGE difference in how I feel.

    And yeah, veganbodybulding.com is a good site but I actually prefer veganfitness.net. Both are really great resources though.

    On another note: I promise you that it's really not that hard to bodybuild as a vegan. Yes, it may not always be quite as convenient to build muscle than as a meat eater, but I definitely wouldn't say that it's harder. You just need to know where to get the proper nutrition from to meet your needs and you're good. Hell, look at Robert Cheeke! He's got a lot of muscle for a guy who eats just plant-based foods!!!

    [img]http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens2518082module14678932photo_1234005590body.jpg/img]

    Also, there's this one user on veganfitness.net who's even bigger:

    [img]http://api.ning.com/files/nsmQ1UkvEdSuNkpsA-OwJXk-QrvgSYeH6kyU0EUFtuBiyy3iWr-0-PFSzUhN1S9EktmwaNj-FNVIMub60ntrq7jrtNxPkRKm/profile_avi_3.jpeg/img]
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    Feb 13, 2011 4:23 AM GMT
    Why eat clean? Why not? Sure you could lose weight on the "Twinkie diet" (http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html)but why would you? Eating healthy is part of a healthy lifestyle even if you burn off the calories in the gym.
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    Feb 13, 2011 5:04 AM GMT
    Curious that a culinary student asks why eat clean. Why do I? It was the way I could eat lots of food and still lose lots of weight and build lots of muscle without having to do cardio, which I was too fatigued and injured to perform. Thanks to eating clean I lost 80lbs, am no longer prediabetic, have started cardio, have blood pressure which tested yesterday at 97/70 and my cholesterol dropped to such low levels that my doctor's nurse practitioner asked whether I was taking Lipitor. I eat healthier than a lot of vegans I know, who sate themselves with oily, salty, cheesy, sugary bready foods.