Senators Jim Webb and Jon Kyl to retire

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    Feb 12, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    in 2012. Tim Kaine talked about as the leading Dem candidate in VA for Webb but Arizona Dems dont really have a clear candidate to oppose a Republican replacement for Kyl. Giffords was discussed as a possibility before the Tucson tragedy. It was unclear whether she would have given up her congressional seat though if Kyl had opted to run again since he was a re-election favorite. Jeff Flake seen as Arizona GOP leading contender for the seat ahead of Brewer.
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    Feb 12, 2011 5:26 PM GMT
    NJDewd saidin 2012. Tim Kaine talked about as the leading Dem candidate in VA for Webb but Arizona Dems dont really have a clear candidate to oppose a Republican replacement for Kyl. Giffords was discussed as a possibility before the Tucson tragedy. It was unclear whether she would have given up her congressional seat though if Kyl had opted to run again since he was a re-election favorite. Jeff Flake seen as Arizona GOP leading contender for the seat ahead of Brewer.


    I am sure Webb is retiring because he will loose either a primary or a general election. He had been moderate but likely cannot bring himself to vote for liberal idiocy to get approval from the left.


    I am convinced if he didnt have a D next to his name in the Senate, he would have a "redneck" stamped on him by the left. What he is saying is he is against affirmative action. And Anti-white diversity policies enacted to correct inequalities for blacks are being coopted to benefit other groups who havent had the same experience.
    And only because they vote democratic.

    Webb recently wrote in the wall street journal.

    Sen WebbGovernment-enforced diversity policies have marginalized many white workers … [and] now favor anyone who does not happen to be white.…

    Affirmative action was designed to recognize the uniquely difficult journey of African-Americans … [b]ut the extrapolation of this logic to all "people of color" — especially since 1965, when new immigration laws dramatically altered the demographic makeup of the U.S. — moved affirmative action … toward discrimination, this time against whites. It has also lessened the focus on assisting African-Americans....






    Those who came to this country in recent decades from Asia, Latin America and Africa did not suffer discrimination from our government, and in fact have frequently been the beneficiaries of special government programs. The same cannot be said of many hard-working white Americans, including those whose roots in America go back more than 200 years....

    Nondiscrimination laws should be applied equally among all citizens, including those who happen to be white.


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    Feb 12, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    One of the main efforts of Webb that I liked was his stance on the american Prison system, Its a farce, jailing mostly young men over pot or other menial drug charges, and even Webb with his negative views on affirmative action benefiting blacks, he was saying our prison sentencing system did jail unfairly more blacks. But for a Dem he was pretty conservative, but hell, even Reagan couldn't win in Virginia now. We lost a great Dem in Congressman Boucher, and if Kaine won't run for senate, I'd be for Boucher. He's well known, but still not sure he or Kaine can beat Allen in this environment.


    Good Riddance to Kyle, he's just another Leiberman type politician, does a lot for attention and 'special affects, and goes which ever way the wind blows. and most often nothing but a pain in the ass with his stances !!!
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    Feb 12, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    NJDewd saidin 2012. Tim Kaine talked about as the leading Dem candidate in VA for Webb but Arizona Dems dont really have a clear candidate to oppose a Republican replacement for Kyl. Giffords was discussed as a possibility before the Tucson tragedy. It was unclear whether she would have given up her congressional seat though if Kyl had opted to run again since he was a re-election favorite. Jeff Flake seen as Arizona GOP leading contender for the seat ahead of Brewer.


    Let's hope J.D. Hayworth can take the Kyl seat! icon_biggrin.gif


    What happend to your own post just 1 hour earlier?
    "If any of us "non-Democrats" were Republicans, don't you think we would be strongly advocating for the Republicans on here? It's not like we're afraid to state our opinions... we criticize the Democrats and their policies but that doesn't prove that we are Republicans. "

    How someone can be so proud of his own idiocy?
    thats so sad to watch...icon_sad.gif
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    Feb 12, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    SoBeCamera said
    What happend to your own post just 1 hour earlier?
    "If any of us "non-Democrats" were Republicans, don't you think we would be strongly advocating for the Republicans on here? It's not like we're afraid to state our opinions... we criticize the Democrats and their policies but that doesn't prove that we are Republicans. "

    How someone can be so proud of his own idiocy?
    thats so sad to watch...icon_sad.gif


    When it comes down to it, we need to choose between a Democrat or a Republican as there is no viable third party here in the USA. You should know that, as you apparently live a few blocks away from me, which means you live in the USA.

    Until the Democrats change their tax and spend ways, it is highly unlikely I would ever support a Democrat candidate on the state or national level.

    And really, have I personally attacked you?

    This name calling on your part is really dumb.


    yes, you personally attacked and insulted me in about 10 of my 50 posts here.
    why dont you try to change the republicans ? it will be a lot more easier for you, dont you think?
    who cares what you support? just stop posting bullshit here and everyone will be happy...
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    Feb 12, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    SoBeCamera said
    yes, you personally attacked and insulted me in about 10 of my 50 posts here.


    Were they unprovoked personal attacks?



    SoBeCamera said
    why dont you try to change the republicans ? it will be a lot more easier for you, dont you think?


    Nope, it wouldn't. I am encouraged by the rapid rise of the T.E.A. Party and hope to see them build their influence over the next few election cycles.





    SoBeCamera said
    who cares what you support? just stop posting bullshit here and everyone will be happy...


    If you're not happy, there's nothing I can do to change that. icon_wink.gif


    im verry happy,thx. and i will call every time bullshit on every crap you posting here.
    maybe your company is having increased profits because you are busy fighting against wind mills online.
    i have no interest in personally insulting you, i just look for an explanation for your mental condition.
  • SoBeCamera

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    Feb 13, 2011 12:26 AM GMT
    you just love to be trashed for the crap you posting.
    where else offline you will get so much attention?
    some alzheimer patients still think they are being paid to go to the day care center...

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    Feb 13, 2011 1:21 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    SoBeCamera said
    yes, you personally attacked and insulted me in about 10 of my 50 posts here.


    Were they unprovoked personal attacks?



    SoBeCamera said
    why dont you try to change the republicans ? it will be a lot more easier for you, dont you think?


    Nope, it wouldn't. I am encouraged by the rapid rise of the T.E.A. Party and hope to see them build their influence over the next few election cycles.





    SoBeCamera said
    who cares what you support? just stop posting bullshit here and everyone will be happy...


    If you're not happy, there's nothing I can do to change that. icon_wink.gif


    The Tea Party are bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers. Just a front group for a bunch of wealthy corporate predators.
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    Feb 13, 2011 1:30 AM GMT
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    The Tea Party are bought and paid for by the Koch Brothers. Just a front group for a bunch of wealthy corporate predators.


    Right....... icon_rolleyes.gif


    It's true. Tea Party Express was created as a project of FreedomWorks in response to the healthcare town halls where they whipped mostly senior citizens into a frenzy through lies and prevarications. If you actually listened to someone besides Rush, you'd know this.

    Here's some links in case you want to stop making a fool of yourself in public:

    [url]http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/458013/as_tea_party_koch_brothers_earned_an_extra_$11_billion_in_recent_years,_they_laid_off_thousands/[/url]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

    http://www.grist.org/article/koch-brothers-tea-party-connections-confirmed-video/
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    Christian73 said
    It's true. Tea Party Express was created as a project of FreedomWorks in response to the healthcare town halls where they whipped mostly senior citizens into a frenzy through lies and prevarications. If you actually listened to someone besides Rush, you'd know this.


    Are you dense? I've written here more than once that I don't listen to Limbaugh. Nor do I listen to/watch Hannity or Beck.




    Christian73 said
    Here's some links in case you want to stop making a fool of yourself in public:

    [url]http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/458013/as_tea_party_koch_brothers_earned_an_extra_$11_billion_in_recent_years,_they_laid_off_thousands/[/url]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

    http://www.grist.org/article/koch-brothers-tea-party-connections-confirmed-video/


    I know it's difficult for you liberals to understand this, but there is no "T.E.A. Party" in the traditional organizational sense that you are used to. Hence, there really is no one group / person for your attacks to be aimed at. So, the liberals continue to manufacture all sorts of links to unsavory (to a liberal) "characters" claiming nefarious influences! icon_lol.gif


    A) Your protestations notwithstanding, you parrot nearly word-for-word everything Limbaugh says within 24 hours of his saying it. Perhaps you telepathic.

    B) I'm sorry that you buy the Tea Baggers press releases, but tit is in fact run by a very traditional organization called FreedomWorks. That you fail to know the basics of the "movement" you claim to support is troubling.
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    Christian73 said
    A) Your protestations notwithstanding, you parrot nearly word-for-word everything Limbaugh says within 24 hours of his saying it. Perhaps you telepathic.


    Why do you listen to Rush Limbaugh? And, how do you have time to devote 12p - 3pm every day to listening when you are at work at your non-profit? Not asking to be catty, just curious.




    Christian73 said
    B) I'm sorry that you buy the Tea Baggers press releases, but tit is in fact run by a very traditional organization called FreedomWorks. That you fail to know the basics of the "movement" you claim to support is troubling.


    Yes, yes, I've seen the article in The New Yorker (or was it New York) magazine. Not convincing at all, except if you are prone to conspiracy theories.


    I don't list to Rush. I wouldn't give him the Arbitron point or whatever. I do listen to a show that regularly pokes fun at Rush and other hypocritical right wingers. And, literally every sound bit they play is nearly verbatim what you will post here within 24 hours.

    How do I listen? It's a little thing called a podcast which I download to my iPhone. Then when I'm writing or doing emails or something solitary, I put the earbuds in and press play.

    As for "the article in the New Yorker", I guess FreedomWorks is part of that "conspiracy theory" because their own website says:

    The real work of spreading the Tea Party brushfires was done by a small knot of take-no-prisoners young conservatives who worked at [FreedomWorks HQ]

    "I don't think this is a secret. Dick Armey and FreedomWorks, which was one of the first organizational mechanisms to bring Tea Party folks together..."

    http://www.freedomworks.org/about/about-freedomworks

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    Christian73 said
    I don't list to Rush. I wouldn't give him the Arbitron point or whatever. I do listen to a show that regularly pokes fun at Rush and other hypocritical right wingers. And, literally every sound bit they play is nearly verbatim what you will post here within 24 hours.


    As I suspected.... So you are getting someone's interpretation of what is being said on these shows, and then regurgitating that.

    I have no idea what Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Ed Schultz, Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller or whoever else you might be listening to is saying about Limbaugh et al, but I'm sure it is not "just the facts" and that there is a hefty dose of "out-of-context" and "liberal spin" added in.

    But if you choose to call that "truth"..... icon_rolleyes.gif




    Christian73 saidAs for "the article in the New Yorker", I guess FreedomWorks is part of that "conspiracy theory" because their own website says:

    The real work of spreading the Tea Party brushfires was done by a small knot of take-no-prisoners young conservatives who worked at [FreedomWorks HQ]

    "I don't think this is a secret. Dick Armey and FreedomWorks, which was one of the first organizational mechanisms to bring Tea Party folks together..."

    http://www.freedomworks.org/about/about-freedomworks



    There's a major difference between people and groups "involved in" and "supporting" and "advocating for" a particular group, and "running" and "controlling" a particular group, especially since that group does not utilize the usual "central command and control structure" that most other political parties use.



    SB - All Rachel or Stephanie do is play the actual audio of what Rush Limbaugh says. What would be the proper context for "Barack the Magic Negro?" What context would make that not a) racist or b) extremely disrespectful to the office of the president? Calling the administration "lawless" after defending actual lawlessness by Bush for 8 years? What's the context for that; beyond partisanship? I'll wait.

    Also, you continue to show your political naivete if you truly think that FreedomWorks, which trains, funds and organizes Tea Party people does not exert an enormous influence on the overall group. The Tea Party was never a spontaneous uprising, though some previously apolitical people may have been ignited by it. Even the earliest protests were coordinated via FreedomWorks and other existing right wing groups. I am sure that there are some TP groups who are largely autonomous but the large, media grabbing actions and the policy goals they support are coming from a "central command" funded by the Koch brothers. If it helps you to sleep at night to dismiss the preponderance of evidence of this, good for you.
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    When the Tea Party activities first came to national attention, what was very clear not only from media reports, but also from interviews and first-hand discussions with participants at the various rallies, was the disorganized nature of the grass-roots movements. In fact, left wing organizations and the media were quick to point out and ridicule inconsistent statements from the Tea Party movements that arose because of the disorganization. Certainly different groups subsequently jumped on the bandwagon and allied with them, and, in some cases, attempted to speak for the movement.

    Whatever the actual degree of national cohesion exists today, it is also clear that for the left to attack the Tea Party movement, it is in the left's interest to portray the Tea Party as a centrally-controlled, monolithic organization to provide a convenient target. It is also my opinion, not being privy to all the money trails leading to the Tea Party movement, that the Koch brother's supposed influence was exaggerated and emphasized both to provide a target, as well as counter the evidence of George Soros's financing and influencing the left.
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    Feb 13, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    SB - All Rachel or Stephanie do is play the actual audio of what Rush Limbaugh says. What would be the proper context for "Barack the Magic Negro?" What context would make that not a) racist or b) extremely disrespectful to the office of the president?


    David Ehrenstein. Please fill the rest of the RJ'ers in on the rest of the story. icon_wink.gif



    Christian73 saidCalling the administration "lawless" after defending actual lawlessness by Bush for 8 years? What's the context for that; beyond partisanship? I'll wait.


    It's called telling the truth. The Obama administration has now defied 2 Federal court orders - one regarding the de facto drilling moratorium and the other Obamacare being declared unconstitutional.


    Christian73 saidAlso, you continue to show your political naivete if you truly think that FreedomWorks, which trains, funds and organizes Tea Party people does not exert an enormous influence on the overall group. The Tea Party was never a spontaneous uprising, though some previously apolitical people may have been ignited by it. Even the earliest protests were coordinated via FreedomWorks and other existing right wing groups. I am sure that there are some TP groups who are largely autonomous but the large, media grabbing actions and the policy goals they support are coming from a "central command" funded by the Koch brothers. If it helps you to sleep at night to dismiss the preponderance of evidence of this, good for you.


    There's evidence, and then there's "liberal evidence." icon_lol.gif




    well i think its in poor taste to use the "negro" epithet.


    But on a routine basis, someone in liberal tv land would disrespect Pres Bush.

    Funny how no one on MSNBC now talks about Obamas golf game

    ( you can skip the delusional ramblings and skip to the last 5 seconds)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvz9jyf4gUk



    The Koch brothers got into some liberal bloggers mind as the "reason" why there ideas are being soundly rejected.

    Guess what its not a evil scheme. Its just people want there government out of there lives and out of there wallets.
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    well i think its in poor taste to use the "negro" epithet.


    But do you know WHO used it?

    Christian73 would have you all believe it was concoted by Rush Limbaugh, while in reality, it was dreamed up by a liberal African American named David Ehrenstein.



    You're an idiot. Ehrenstein used it as part of a cultural critique. The song was written by a conservative, Paul Shanklin, who then recorded it for Rush Limbaugh.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_the_Magic_Negro
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    Christian73 saidYou're an idiot. Ehrenstein used it as part of a cultural critique. The song was written by a conservative, Paul Shanklin, who then recorded it for Rush Limbaugh.....

    ...pointing out Ehrenstein's comments for what they are - political speech used by the left.


    That's demonstrably false but I can't be bothered to try and educate you further. You have no problem supporting avowedly antigay politicos if they will cut your taxes, so why wouldn't you support racists as well?