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    Feb 13, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    I will actually be climbing the C.N - Tower on April 16th and I need/welcome sponsors. It's required to have $75 in pledges to climb and of course this is not the only venue I am asking for sponsorship from, so fear not if you can't support.

    Whether or not you agree with the information that follows, I wholeheartedly agree that you should support a charity you believe in. Of course, I now also believe that you should research it completely before you bring it to public awareness. If you still want to support me PM me and I will give you my link.

    If any other guys are participating this year send me a message or post in this thread for your sponsorship! We could even meet up before, although I plan on going early..I could always adjust my time to compensate. <3

    I hope to see you at the top!

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    Feb 14, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
    I support wildlife every time I go out. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 14, 2011 12:16 AM GMT
    Yay! Fantastic, then I will accept your moral support in lieu of monetary sponsorship icon_smile.gif

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    Feb 14, 2011 1:32 AM GMT
    I'd rather not support an organization founded by eugenicists and former Nazi party members, like Sir Julian Huxley and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. Not to mention, it is historically and presently run by industrialists, bankers and oil executives (specifically Royal Dutch Shell).

    The WWF is not so much an "environmental" organization as it is an organization through which elites promote "conservation" of resources (i.e., conserving for elites), and steers environmentalism into an area that makes it safe for Capitalism. Hence why the WWF is all about "corporate partnerships" where it provides a green glaze over otherwise environmentally destructive corporations like Shell, Coca-Cola, etc.

    Sir Julian Huxley was the founder of the WWF, and was also the founder of UNESCO and President of the British Eugenics Society (and brother of Aldous Huxley).

    Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands was married to Queen Juliana, Dutch Queen who is the largest single shareholder in Royal Dutch Shell (hence "Royal Dutch"), and Bernhard was a co-founder of the elite transnational think tank, the Bilderberg Group, and was previously a Nazi Party member.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/7377402/Dutch-Prince-Bernhard-was-member-of-Nazi-party.html

    Just take a look at the board of trustees of WWF International. Among some of the members:

    Antony Burgmans - non-executive board member of BP and a member of the Supervisory Boards of Akzo-Nobel, Aegon and SHV (we all know BP is an "environmentally friendly" organization, right?)

    and there are a number of other trustees from major power companies and other corporations.
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/organization/trustees/

    Look at the historical presidents of the WWF. Not only the Nazi Prince Bernhard, but Queen Elizabeth's husband, Prince Philip was a president, who was a German prince whose family had many ties to the Nazis.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html

    Another international president of WWF (from 1976-1981) was John Loudon, known as "the grand old man of Shell", who had previously run Shell.
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/organization/presidents/

    The American branch of WWF has a large board of directors that includes individuals past or presently associated with such organizations and corporations as:

    - Johnson & Johnson
    - the CHairman of the Board of Bank of America
    - E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Co (chemical company)
    - The Business Roundtable
    - The Business Council
    - The Coca-Cola Company
    - the International Business Leaders Forum
    - General Electric
    - Merck
    - Goldman Sachs
    - the World Bank
    - United Nations Foundation
    - Citicorp
    - Procter & Gamble
    --- and there are many others
    http://www.worldwildlife.org/who/board/index.html

    WWF has established "corporate partnerships" with Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson, Toyota, Allianz, Wal-Mart, IBM, Ikea, HSBC, HP, and Nike
    http://www.worldwildlife.org/what/partners/corporate/index.html

    The WWF also played a part in facilitating strong business ties between Western business leaders and South African apartheid business leaders when it was increasingly difficult to do so officially and openly.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8330.2010.00767.x/full
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8330.2010.00763.x/full

    Yet, these type of connections are not obscure among major environmental and conservation organizations, in fact, it's the usual. Most of the major organizations (WWF, Conservation International, The Natural Resources Defense Council, The Nature Conservancy, etc.) are all highly corporatized and used to make environmentalism safe for capitalism. They were largely founded and initially funded by the major industrialist and banking foundations like the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation. One former President of the Ford Foundation stated that everything the foundation did "could be regarded as 'making the world safe for capitalism'."

    Organizations like WWF and Conservation International provide legitimacy to companies and countries plundering the earth, and allow business and banking elites to shape the environmental ideology in such a way that suits their interests (like supporting carbon trading schemes and carbon markets, which do nothing to help the environment, but actually make pollution itself a tradable commodity).

    So no, sorry, I won't support the WWF. If you truly want to support environmental organizations, don't listen to Leo DiCaprio about which one you should support because he sits on the board, but maybe do a little research. A good rule of thumb is to not give to the big ones, and instead support local environmental groups that are focused on actually making a noticeable and actual difference in the community, directly working to help protect and preserve the environment, not international organizations which spend a good chunk of their money on PR and media campaigns.
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    Feb 14, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidSoyfan, don't pay any attention to MeOhMy, he's not smarter or "more informed" or more moral than you are.

    If he had any class, he would have just passed this thread by instead of acting like an ass.


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    Hey, nothing wrong with good intentions, and clearly Soyfan has the best of intentions. I'd just warn people about giving to the wrong type of organizations. Charities and environmental groups and other NGOs lack oversight and accountability, so it is up to the "consumer" or "giver" to establish their own oversight. They have very good "reps", and so it is easy to give to them. All I am saying is that there are a number of very good environmental organizations and charities, but they are usually small and local and doing good things visibly and directly in the community. So if the "intent" is to help the environment, perhaps finding a better organization which actually does so would help, no? If the intent, however, is simply to run up the CN tower, than by all means, knock yourself out (I'll pass, though, too many stairs for me!). Just because an organization has excellent PR doesn't mean it does much good.

    And it has nothing to do with me somehow being "smarter", I used to give to the WWF for several years because I love tigers and they were running some tiger conservation campaign so it seemed like a good idea to me. But the more I actually read about the organization, the more I questioned their methods and ideas, and so like with any charity, local is better. Sorry to "rain on your parade" and all, and maybe it's my lack of "class" that made me comment, or maybe it's the fact that I would rather see good intentions and good acts support good organizations. But if that's "being an ass", so be it, I'm an ass. Oh well.
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    Feb 14, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidSoyfan, don't pay any attention to MeOhMy, he's not smarter or "more informed" or more moral than you are.

    If he had any class, he would have just passed this thread by instead of acting like an ass.


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    Hey, nothing wrong with good intentions, and clearly Soyfan has the best of intentions. I'd just warn people about giving to the wrong type of organizations. Charities and environmental groups and other NGOs lack oversight and accountability, so it is up to the "consumer" or "giver" to establish their own oversight. They have very good "reps", and so it is easy to give to them. All I am saying is that there are a number of very good environmental organizations and charities, but they are usually small and local and doing good things visibly and directly in the community. So if the "intent" is to help the environment, perhaps finding a better organization which actually does so would help, no? If the intent, however, is simply to run up the CN tower, than by all means, knock yourself out (I'll pass, though, too many stairs for me!). Just because an organization has excellent PR doesn't mean it does much good.

    And it has nothing to do with me somehow being "smarter", I used to give to the WWF for several years because I love tigers and they were running some tiger conservation campaign so it seemed like a good idea to me. But the more I actually read about the organization, the more I questioned their methods and ideas, and so like with any charity, local is better. Sorry to "rain on your parade" and all, and maybe it's my lack of "class" that made me comment, or maybe it's the fact that I would rather see good intentions and good acts support good organizations. But if that's "being an ass", so be it, I'm an ass. Oh well.


    $.02: I found it informative. I had no idea.
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    Feb 14, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
    Who the fuck is Leonardo Deccaprio?
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    Feb 14, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidSoyfan, don't pay any attention to MeOhMy, he's not smarter or "more informed" or more moral than you are.

    If he had any class, he would have just passed this thread by instead of acting like an ass.




    MeOhMy saidI'd rather not support an organization founded by eugenicists and former Nazi party members, like Sir Julian Huxley and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. Not to mention, it is historically and presently run by industrialists, bankers and oil executives (specifically Royal Dutch Shell).

    The WWF is not so much an "environmental" organization as it is an organization through which elites promote "conservation" of resources (i.e., conserving for elites), and steers environmentalism into an area that makes it safe for Capitalism. Hence why the WWF is all about "corporate partnerships" where it provides a green glaze over otherwise environmentally destructive corporations like Shell, Coca-Cola, etc.

    Sir Julian Huxley was the founder of the WWF, and was also the founder of UNESCO and President of the British Eugenics Society (and brother of Aldous Huxley).

    Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands was married to Queen Juliana, Dutch Queen who is the largest single shareholder in Royal Dutch Shell (hence "Royal Dutch"), and Bernhard was a co-founder of the elite transnational think tank, the Bilderberg Group, and was previously a Nazi Party member.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/7377402/Dutch-Prince-Bernhard-was-member-of-Nazi-party.html

    Just take a look at the board of trustees of WWF International. Among some of the members:

    Antony Burgmans - non-executive board member of BP and a member of the Supervisory Boards of Akzo-Nobel, Aegon and SHV (we all know BP is an "environmentally friendly" organization, right?)

    and there are a number of other trustees from major power companies and other corporations.
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/organization/trustees/

    Look at the historical presidents of the WWF. Not only the Nazi Prince Bernhard, but Queen Elizabeth's husband, Prince Philip was a president, who was a German prince whose family had many ties to the Nazis.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html

    Another international president of WWF (from 1976-1981) was John Loudon, known as "the grand old man of Shell", who had previously run Shell.
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/organization/presidents/

    The American branch of WWF has a large board of directors that includes individuals past or presently associated with such organizations and corporations as:

    - Johnson & Johnson
    - the CHairman of the Board of Bank of America
    - E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Co (chemical company)
    - The Business Roundtable
    - The Business Council
    - The Coca-Cola Company
    - the International Business Leaders Forum
    - General Electric
    - Merck
    - Goldman Sachs
    - the World Bank
    - United Nations Foundation
    - Citicorp
    - Procter & Gamble
    --- and there are many others
    http://www.worldwildlife.org/who/board/index.html

    WWF has established "corporate partnerships" with Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson, Toyota, Allianz, Wal-Mart, IBM, Ikea, HSBC, HP, and Nike
    http://www.worldwildlife.org/what/partners/corporate/index.html

    The WWF also played a part in facilitating strong business ties between Western business leaders and South African apartheid business leaders when it was increasingly difficult to do so officially and openly.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8330.2010.00767.x/full
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8330.2010.00763.x/full

    Yet, these type of connections are not obscure among major environmental and conservation organizations, in fact, it's the usual. Most of the major organizations (WWF, Conservation International, The Natural Resources Defense Council, The Nature Conservancy, etc.) are all highly corporatized and used to make environmentalism safe for capitalism. They were largely founded and initially funded by the major industrialist and banking foundations like the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation. One former President of the Ford Foundation stated that everything the foundation did "could be regarded as 'making the world safe for capitalism'."

    Organizations like WWF and Conservation International provide legitimacy to companies and countries plundering the earth, and allow business and banking elites to shape the environmental ideology in such a way that suits their interests (like supporting carbon trading schemes and carbon markets, which do nothing to help the environment, but actually make pollution itself a tradable commodity).

    So no, sorry, I won't support the WWF. If you truly want to support environmental organizations, don't listen to Leo DiCaprio about which one you should support because he sits on the board, but maybe do a little research. A good rule of thumb is to not give to the big ones, and instead support local environmental groups that are focused on actually making a noticeable and actual difference in the community, directly working to help protect and preserve the environment, not international organizations which spend a good chunk of their money on PR and media campaigns.


    The presumed motives for a post should have no bearing on the interpretation of the content provided within them. The valid point is that folks should donate to charities that use most of the funds towards direct service instead of paying for overhead costs (e.g., employee salaries, PR costs). A useful website to aid in the decision process of where to donate is located here. Note that the WWF is not listed under the environmental section of the aforementioned website but Conservation International is.
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    Feb 14, 2011 2:19 AM GMT
    Sorry, the shock took me....thus the absence of my response.

    @Southbeach - thanks for the encouragement, despite his post, I do not think any less of him nor assume the intentions of his post were personal in nature, regarding my morality

    @MeOhMy - Thanks for the interesting and informative post. My initial response was a personal one from the tone in which your post was provided, but after your 2nd post I realized it was truly an honest intention. I, being a humble chemistry major, was not immersed into the world of political science and business so you will have to forgive my lack of knowledge on the clearly quite extensive subject matter.

    I certainly can no longer use this thread as a means for sponsorship so I will be changing my initial post slightly. It definitely has been derailed, most likely my fault for not being completely informed on the subject and I apologize for the inconvenience again. I do advocate supporting local charities however this one, despite the supposed nature of the corporation, is also one that I find at least brings public awareness on a much larger scale to environmentalism...even though it may have hidden agendas. Perhaps that's even how you found out that your local charities were much better groups to support?

    I was doing it for the environment, but also for the amazing workout.

    @dsmith123 - thank you for your post and that link, it was very helpful as an addition to the general message of MeOhMy's post.
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    Feb 14, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    No need for a change, I was the one that derailed it, not you. Don't worry, I have a tendency to do that. So don't hold back on the sponsorship, and good luck with those stairs!
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    Feb 14, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
    SB, Why don't you take your own advice? There are numerous topics where you could kept your yap shut and you didn't.

    "Soyfan, don't pay any attention to MeOhMy, he's not smarter or "more informed" or more moral than you are.

    If he had any class, he would have just passed this thread by instead of acting like an ass."


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    Feb 14, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    Soyfan saidSorry, the shock took me....thus the absence of my response.

    @Southbeach - thanks for the encouragement, despite his post, I do not think any less of him nor assume the intentions of his post were personal in nature, regarding my morality

    @MeOhMy - Thanks for the interesting and informative post. My initial response was a personal one from the tone in which your post was provided, but after your 2nd post I realized it was truly an honest intention. I, being a humble chemistry major, was not immersed into the world of political science and business so you will have to forgive my lack of knowledge on the clearly quite extensive subject matter.

    I certainly can no longer use this thread as a means for sponsorship so I will be changing my initial post slightly. It definitely has been derailed, most likely my fault for not being completely informed on the subject and I apologize for the inconvenience again. I do advocate supporting local charities however this one, despite the supposed nature of the corporation, is also one that I find at least brings public awareness on a much larger scale to environmentalism...even though it may have hidden agendas. Perhaps that's even how you found out that your local charities were much better groups to support?

    I was doing it for the environment, but also for the amazing workout.

    @dsmith123 - thank you for your post and that link, it was very helpful as an addition to the general message of MeOhMy's post.


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    Feb 14, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidI'd rather not support an organization founded by eugenicists and former Nazi party members, like Sir Julian Huxley and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. Not to mention, it is historically and presently run by industrialists, bankers and oil executives (specifically Royal Dutch Shell).

    The WWF is not so much an "environmental" organization as it is an organization through which elites promote "conservation" of resources (i.e., conserving for elites), and steers environmentalism into an area that makes it safe for Capitalism. Hence why the WWF is all about "corporate partnerships" where it provides a green glaze over otherwise environmentally destructive corporations like Shell, Coca-Cola, etc.

    Sir Julian Huxley was the founder of the WWF, and was also the founder of UNESCO and President of the British Eugenics Society (and brother of Aldous Huxley).

    Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands was married to Queen Juliana, Dutch Queen who is the largest single shareholder in Royal Dutch Shell (hence "Royal Dutch"), and Bernhard was a co-founder of the elite transnational think tank, the Bilderberg Group, and was previously a Nazi Party member.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/7377402/Dutch-Prince-Bernhard-was-member-of-Nazi-party.html

    Just take a look at the board of trustees of WWF International. Among some of the members:

    Antony Burgmans - non-executive board member of BP and a member of the Supervisory Boards of Akzo-Nobel, Aegon and SHV (we all know BP is an "environmentally friendly" organization, right?)

    and there are a number of other trustees from major power companies and other corporations.
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/organization/trustees/

    Look at the historical presidents of the WWF. Not only the Nazi Prince Bernhard, but Queen Elizabeth's husband, Prince Philip was a president, who was a German prince whose family had many ties to the Nazis.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379036/Prince-Philip-pictured-Nazi-funeral.html

    Another international president of WWF (from 1976-1981) was John Loudon, known as "the grand old man of Shell", who had previously run Shell.
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/organization/presidents/

    The American branch of WWF has a large board of directors that includes individuals past or presently associated with such organizations and corporations as:

    - Johnson & Johnson
    - the CHairman of the Board of Bank of America
    - E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Co (chemical company)
    - The Business Roundtable
    - The Business Council
    - The Coca-Cola Company
    - the International Business Leaders Forum
    - General Electric
    - Merck
    - Goldman Sachs
    - the World Bank
    - United Nations Foundation
    - Citicorp
    - Procter & Gamble
    --- and there are many others
    http://www.worldwildlife.org/who/board/index.html

    WWF has established "corporate partnerships" with Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson, Toyota, Allianz, Wal-Mart, IBM, Ikea, HSBC, HP, and Nike
    http://www.worldwildlife.org/what/partners/corporate/index.html

    The WWF also played a part in facilitating strong business ties between Western business leaders and South African apartheid business leaders when it was increasingly difficult to do so officially and openly.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8330.2010.00767.x/full
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8330.2010.00763.x/full

    Yet, these type of connections are not obscure among major environmental and conservation organizations, in fact, it's the usual. Most of the major organizations (WWF, Conservation International, The Natural Resources Defense Council, The Nature Conservancy, etc.) are all highly corporatized and used to make environmentalism safe for capitalism. They were largely founded and initially funded by the major industrialist and banking foundations like the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation. One former President of the Ford Foundation stated that everything the foundation did "could be regarded as 'making the world safe for capitalism'."

    Organizations like WWF and Conservation International provide legitimacy to companies and countries plundering the earth, and allow business and banking elites to shape the environmental ideology in such a way that suits their interests (like supporting carbon trading schemes and carbon markets, which do nothing to help the environment, but actually make pollution itself a tradable commodity).

    So no, sorry, I won't support the WWF. If you truly want to support environmental organizations, don't listen to Leo DiCaprio about which one you should support because he sits on the board, but maybe do a little research. A good rule of thumb is to not give to the big ones, and instead support local environmental groups that are focused on actually making a noticeable and actual difference in the community, directly working to help protect and preserve the environment, not international organizations which spend a good chunk of their money on PR and media campaigns.


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