An End to Israeli vs. Palestinian Threads Here

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    Feb 16, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    This is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?
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    Feb 16, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    I think you make a good point, But shall we just leave such Zionist Fanatics as CEASEREA 4 to spew out his bigotry, racism and never ending Zionist Propaganda to endlessly defend each and every act against the rights of Palestinians, and while this idiot does that here, he labels each and every Palestinian or other Middle Eastern who post and refute his Everything Zionist do is right Rhetoric as liars, liars for their cause, anti jew, heartlessly steps on the feelings of them, in his defense of obviously wrong and unfair land grabs and settlements.

    Yes I would like to see this Idiot stop spewing such things as his statement that the Palestinians weren't hungry enough under Israeli war laws to need the flotilla aid, you know, thats the flotilla where the Israeli thugs attacked and killed 9 unprovoked and in international waters, the hostility was proven started by the israeli's. Of course he won't admit to those finding. just goes on with reams of propaganda. Check out his Rhetoric, see if you can defend it, maybe you should check out where he so arrogantly offers "EXTRA CREDIT" the other day for "Contemplating who is trying to gain from the Settlement Issue, the palestinians or the israli's" LOL !!! now think on that one for a good case of Zionist propaganda for a while, rather a twist isn't it. but thats what is a daily dose from our Zionist Bigot Ceaserea4. So should we not attack this Obnoxious Idiocy ?

    So should we not counter and attack his propaganda and continueing to name call anyone who disagrees with his Zionist Fanatic Propaganda ?

    Because he's a Jew Zionist Fanatic, should we Keep quiet lest we be labeled Anti jew, as the AIPAC does congressmen and any media who take the Zionists on for their atrocities ?

    Should we not question repeatedly this Zionist Fanaticism from this most OBNOXIOUS source CEASEREA4 ?

    To my mind the questioning and returning his rhetoric right back on him has indeed exposed him for the RACIST BIGOTED ZIONIST FANATIC that he is !! Some Ideologues like CEASEREA 4 are so damn blind that they don't have the good sense to be embarrassed by their own statements in their efforts to defend the ZIONIST inexcusable law breaking against the Palestinians and their other neighbors, Such as he are too blind to see that their own ilk brings hate to their cause, POINTING IT OUT IS NOT WRONG !! ITS A NECESSARY EVIL !! Sorry it occurred here though, but you have to take it on where it appears !!

    What else can be done but confront the problem ===CEASEREA 4,
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    Feb 16, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    realifedad saidI think you make a good point, But shall we just leave such Zionist Fanatics as CEASEREA 4 to spew out his bigotry, racism and never ending Zionist Propaganda,,,

    Except that's not our job, not being the Administrators here. I stopped engaging them all some time ago.

    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.

    But this Israeli-Palestinian stuff has no purpose here. It's not gay, it's not remotely related to this site and it's focus, it's just a few guys spewing largely racist crap that I believe most of us don't even wanna see.

    You guys fight it out on the streets over there, I don't wanna read it here. Take that somewhere else, OK? You'll never agree, so why annoy the rest of us with it? If you seek validation, try another site, but not here. This is GAY FITNESS, HEALTH & LIFE. I presume they can read the banner, right?
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    Feb 16, 2011 8:25 PM GMT
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    realifedad saidI think you make a good point, But shall we just leave such Zionist Fanatics as CEASEREA 4 to spew out his bigotry, racism and never ending Zionist Propaganda,,,

    Except that's not our job, not being the Administrators here. I stopped engaging them all some time ago.

    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.

    But this Israeli-Palestinian stuff has no purpose here. It's not gay, it's not remotely related to this site and it's focus, it's just a few guys spewing largely racist crap that I believe most of us don't even wanna see.

    You guys fight it out on the streets over there, I don't wanna read it here. Take that somewhere else, OK? You'll never agree, so why annoy the rest of us with it? If you seek validation, try another site, but not here. This is GAY FITNESS, HEALTH & LIFE. I presume they can read the banner, right?


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    Well I wish CEASEREA 4 would do just what you suggest, but I have to say when that Zionist anti Palestinian Racist comes out with some of his most outrageous and calloused statements to Palestinians, Middle Easterners and others who disagree with his Zionists are always right propaganda, who could be silent !!! This Ceaserea4 is one of those Zionist Fanatics whose "labor of love" as he calls it, is to spread his "propaganda" wherever he goes.

    So we are stuck with his fanatics, unless of course you have better luck getting across to him that his Zionist Fanatic, Propaganda isn't needed or wanted here. He's a Zionist Ideological purist who cannot be reasonable, incapable of give and take communication, because its his 'Zionists are right in everything they do', his way or no way at all, and the hell with the rights of any adjoining country, the Palestinians in particular. I'll congratulate you if you can convince this Zionist Fanatic of anything outside of his very narrow viewpoint. After all, its his God given right to spread his 'word' of Zionist correctness. Good Luck !!
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    Feb 16, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
    Why don't you just ignore those threads like I do? There's no gun to anyones head that I'm aware of. I read one of those Israel/Palestine threads once and it didn't really interest me so I don't read them now, it's quite simple.

    In a way by posting this particular thread you have in fact just added a little more fuel to those debates by bringing them center stage once again doncha think?
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    Feb 16, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
    beneful1 saidWhy don't you just ignore those threads like I do? There's no gun to anyones head that I'm aware of. I read one of those Israel/Palestine threads once and it didn't really interest me so I don't read them now, it's quite simple.

    In a way by posting this particular thread you have in fact just added a little more fuel to those debates by bringing them center stage once again doncha think?


    Sad but true... I just wish I didn't have to see them going on and on and on, ad infinitum....
    At least, move them to News and Politics...
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    Feb 16, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
    beneful1 saidWhy don't you just ignore those threads like I do? There's no gun to anyones head that I'm aware of. I read one of those Israel/Palestine threads once and it didn't really interest me so I don't read them now, it's quite simple.

    In a way by posting this particular thread you have in fact just added a little more fuel to those debates by bringing them center stage once again doncha think?


    It is a fair approach to gauging the broad feeling on the matter. This really does not seem like the site one goes to to discuss Israel/Palestine to the extent to which it seems to be here, so I just ignore them completely.

    Perhaps if we had the ability to HIDE THIS THREAD) like we can Track one) it would satisfy the desire to be able to "declutter" without resorting to declaring "forbidden topics."



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    Feb 16, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?


    t'was a valiant effort.
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    Feb 16, 2011 10:52 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?

    Why dont you just not read them?
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    Feb 16, 2011 10:54 PM GMT
    Caslon17000 said
    Art_Deco saidThis is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?

    Why dont you just not read them?
    Because they shouldn't be there anyway.
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    Feb 16, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    When I clicked on to this thread, my computer burst into flames!!!

    More seriously though, to many, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict threads may seem crushingly monotonous.

    But I believe these threads does have a place in the forums of a Gay Fitness website, an idea backed by the fact that Admin had never censored them. They make intelligent discussions which seem almost a relief from the "Guy Above You" threads which appear far more frequently in the All Things Gay and Group Activities column of threads.

    As Caslon and others said above, if not interested, don't click on to them, just as I don't click on to the Guy Above You threads. But I do have an interest in Middle East affairs and what makes Real Jock such a unique and intelligent site for Gay men is that such discussion threads appear in the forums, and with the blessing of Admin, who, I believe, feel elated that their forums are fulfilling the purpose for which they were first created.
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    Feb 16, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?



    Not sure who died and made you the thread police -- just don't go in the thread if it annoys you so much. I don't like those threads either, so I stay away from them, but if others want to rage war over the mideast in a thread -- have at it -- who are we to tell people what they should and should not post for discussion? I don't particularly care for "Guy Above You..." threads or "Vote for So & So for MOTD" threads either, so I don't (or rarely) participate -- it's kind of that simple.
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    Feb 16, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said

    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.



    There is no one here at RJ (that I am aware of anyway) who is "Anti-Gay". You're just pathetically paranoid and probably should see a doctor for that icon_eek.gif To even suggest something so ridiculous is a glaring example of just how far gone you really are.
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    Feb 17, 2011 1:59 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.


    For posting such hate speech, and LIES about me, you are now reported to admin.

    I hope some of my "right wing extremist friends" on here will do the same.

    What a childish thing to do.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 17, 2011 2:05 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco saidThis is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?

    Why dont you just not read them?

    Actually I don't anymore. They just clutter the topic list with 1-sided bigotry, from both sides.
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    Feb 17, 2011 2:09 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.

    For posting such hate speech, and LIES about me, you are now reported to admin.

    I hope some of my "right wing extremist friends" on here will do the same.

    What a childish thing to do.. icon_rolleyes.gif

    He's reported me before, it's not the first time. Apparently his repeatedly calling me a "paranoid" and other slanders are quite OK.

    He's always trying to get me removed from RJ. He just made of big show of it this time. Maybe it will work this time, who knows? If I disappear, you will know who to thank. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 17, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
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    He's reported me before, it's not the first time. He's always trying to get me removed from RJ.


    Must everything you write about me be a lie?

    Prior to tonight, I have never reported you for your (frequent) violation of the forum rules.

    BTW... when are you gonna come clean on here about the fact that you are on the local sex offender list?

    If you say that it so, then I retract that statement. I had some indications otherwise. And BTW, I don't recall I ever reported you, despite some grievous TOU violations, like calling me paranoid and other personal slanders.

    Now please explain your comment about local sex offender list? That's pretty serious.
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    Feb 17, 2011 2:25 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.


    For posting such hate speech, and LIES about me, you are now reported to admin.

    I hope some of my "right wing extremist friends" on here will do the same.

    Oh, and if you don't like the Israel-Arab threads, DON'T READ THEM!

    Thank you.


    SB - Nothing in Art's post even approached hate speech. While I do not agree with his supposition that you're a plant from the Cato Institute, that's the only part that could even be said to be a lie.

    On the subject itself, I rarely go into those threads because I have strong feelings about it as do most people, and find arguing about it pointless because there's only two possible sides.
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    Feb 17, 2011 2:42 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidSB - Nothing in Art's post even approached hate speech. While I do not agree with his supposition that you're a plant from the Cato Institute, that's the only part that could even be said to be a lie.

    On the subject itself, I rarely go into those threads because I have strong feelings about it as do most people, and find arguing about it pointless because there's only two possible sides.

    The Cato Institute? Is that satire? I don't think I've ever even written that name on RJ. Do scroll back.

    Where I may be wrong is in saying that SB has reported me to Admin before. I had reason to believe he had. If he says not, then I'll accept that, and apologize for my mistake.
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    Feb 17, 2011 3:20 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThis is a gay fitness & health site. If you wanna endlessly argue Middle East conflicts there are better sites for it than here.

    Here's what I think:

    - BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG
    - BOTH SIDES HAVE COMMITTED INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES
    - BOTH SIDES BORE ME WITH THEIR UNENDING, COMPULSIVE, OBSESSIVE CONFLICT

    Now can we please leave the Israeli-Palestinian disputes out of here? Yes, we can discuss any subject we like here, as I do, but this one has worn out its welcome. Yes?


    Congratulations, you've just started ANOTHER Israeli-Palestinian thread.
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    Feb 17, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.


    For posting such hate speech, and LIES about me, you are now reported to admin..


    For posting such one-sided threads against Obama and the far left, you should be reported to the city of San Francisco where you will be jailed, which I'm assuming entails growing your hair out into a rats nest, smoking pot, complaining that Obama is too conservative all day, and having anal sex with men in their 50s who still think the year is 1978.
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    Feb 17, 2011 3:47 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSB - Nothing in Art's post even approached hate speech. While I do not agree with his supposition that you're a plant from the Cato Institute, that's the only part that could even be said to be a lie.

    On the subject itself, I rarely go into those threads because I have strong feelings about it as do most people, and find arguing about it pointless because there's only two possible sides.

    The Cato Institute? Is that satire? I don't think I've ever even written that name on RJ. Do scroll back.

    Where I may be wrong is in saying that SB has reported me to Admin before. I had reason to believe he had. If he says not, then I'll accept that, and apologize for my mistake.


    Art - I was being facetious and poking a bit of good natured fun at your insistence that SB is a right-wing plant.
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    Feb 17, 2011 4:15 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSB - Nothing in Art's post even approached hate speech. While I do not agree with his supposition that you're a plant from the Cato Institute, that's the only part that could even be said to be a lie.

    On the subject itself, I rarely go into those threads because I have strong feelings about it as do most people, and find arguing about it pointless because there's only two possible sides.

    The Cato Institute? Is that satire? I don't think I've ever even written that name on RJ. Do scroll back.

    Where I may be wrong is in saying that SB has reported me to Admin before. I had reason to believe he had. If he says not, then I'll accept that, and apologize for my mistake.

    Art - I was being facetious and poking a bit of good natured fun at your insistence that SB is a right-wing plant.

    Ah, OK, thanks. Well I thought maybe so, but I still was kinda wondering...

    Whether or not SB is a right-wing plant I cannot know, naturally, or anyone else here. But I've read where the right wing has been sending these guys to disrupt gay web sites, and so when I read dedicated & consistently anti-gay posts here I do wonder.

    You can never know, and they may be fools in their own right. I see certain patterns, but that's not proof. What I can easily observe is that there are guys here who hate gays and our political allies and are not our friends. Lots of rationalizations, and personal attacks, but bottom line, they don't like us. Which makes me wonder why they're here.
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    Feb 17, 2011 5:49 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    You can never know, and they may be fools in their own right. I see certain patterns, but that's not proof. What I can easily observe is that there are guys here who hate gays and our political allies and are not our friends. Lots of rationalizations, and personal attacks, but bottom line, they don't like us. Which makes me wonder why they're here.



    Who are these posters who YOU claim are "anti-gay"? Please name who these posters are who YOU claim "hate gays". Please offer some examples that are more than just your glaring paranoia???
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    Feb 17, 2011 6:04 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    I suppose that's contradictory on my part, because I still will contend with southbeach1500 and his little band of extreme right wingers. Not to convert them, which won't happen, but to offset the lies they spread here, in trying to recruit others to their anti-gay crusade.


    For posting such hate speech, and LIES about me, you are now reported to admin..


    For posting such one-sided threads against Obama and the far left, you should be reported to the city of San Francisco where you will be jailed, which I'm assuming entails growing your hair out into a rats nest, smoking pot, complaining that Obama is too conservative all day, and having anal sex with men in their 50s who still think the year is 1978.


    Now that's funny. I love good sarcasm Might I add a black hankie permanently sewn into his left (?) pocket.