Bodybuilders vs Boxers Part 2

  • IH2006

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    Feb 17, 2011 7:49 AM GMT
    Who Has Better Fitness Overall?
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    Feb 17, 2011 3:40 PM GMT
    I would say boxers because there is a cardio component to their sport and their training also involves large weight training.
  • KinesiologyMa...

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    Feb 17, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    IH2006 saidWho Has Better Fitness Overall?


    Well I would have to agree that boxers are in better shape with the cardiovascular aspect of health. However, they risk the problems of head trauma and other injuries from boxing. Also bodybuilders can have much bigger muscles but if they are using steroids they are destroying their body... it all depends
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    Feb 17, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    I read about some university research a while back in which it was determined that wrestlers had stronger biceps than body builders, though their biceps were not as big. Slightly off topic, but when you see what wrestlers do with their bodies, how strong they are per pound of body weight, and how much supreme cardio fitness they possess, its pretty impressive.
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    Feb 18, 2011 2:46 AM GMT
    If you have even the slightest knowledge of kinesiology(the science of movement), arthrokinematics (joints/bones in motion/fulcrums and leverage), and how the two interplay...and you have been around bodybuilders and athletes, you will know FOR A FACT that bodybuilders have extremely low neurological function. They train for one thing; and one thing only..to look beautiful. To look strong. Half of the time they are neither(opinion on the latter).

    Bodybuilding is not a sport
    Bodybuilding is non athletic
    Bodybuilding is non functional

    A bodybuilder would go down in a match..in any athletic endeavor. Their proprioceptive capabilities are extremely low (and extremely undertrained), and many of them train their bodies in isolation and in pre stabilized environments (where there is no Transverse abdominis activation - sheath like musculature that wraps around the spine and ribcage protecting the vertebrae and stabilizing it). Core is also what connects transfer of energy and force from one part of the body to another. A bodybuilder would throw a punch with the arm. A boxer would throw a punch that originates in the torque of the foot, travels up the body ....and the core is the medium for this energy....which shoots up and out the arm and fist in a powerful explosion. Let me think...who would win? I won't go into how this would translate onto say a battlefield, or a boxing ring, or what have you. But it's not good. Have you ever seen a pure bodybuilder try to play sports? They just look stupid, uncoordinated, and clumsy. It's a complete joke to watch. They neglect stabilization training and many times neglect core stabilization and mobility (the most important aspects of training the body) in the never ceasing mindless efforts to do one thing; add more mass. Mass for the sake of mass.

    If there is one rule of fitness it is this: Learn to handle your bodyweight first, and then progress to more unstable environments with more weight. It's amazing how many people (bodybuilders and athletes) neglect the golden rule. That's right......that's why you hear bodybuilders whining about slipped discs, fused vertebrae, any number of injuries that occur when you try to do what you AREN'T prepared for. WTF did you think would happen when you tried to bench press 350 pounds because bodybuilding.com said to do so?!!??

    Isolation exercises force the heads of musculature into unnaturally rounded tips (heads) and shorten/increase contractility between muscle fibers in a more or less permanent state. That's why when you look at a bodybuilder versus an athlete of any kind; note the more rounded, pudgy look of the bodybuilders physique, and note the more natural, longer musculature of the athlete. Another thing. How often do you see a bodybuilder doing dynamic flexibility warm ups or stretches? Yep. Exactly.
    I watched this one guy (bodybuilder) run in a pick up game of basketball. He had to be nearly 6'5", an incredibly impressive build, and he was incredibly, incredibly strong (in certain, artificially stabilized environments). But guess what? He sucked on the court. It was awful to watch. Nobody passed the ball to him and he just took up space. What good is strength if it is not functional strength? You need to be able to handle that force across all planes - sagital, frontal, and transverse....all at once.
    The way bodybuilders train is usually in one controlled plane of movement. You do the math.



    This isn't even really breaking all of it. There are 3 kinds of muscle fibers.
    Type 1 - aerobic (slow twitch)
    Type 2a -anaerobic (fast twitch)
    Type 2b -anaerobic (fast twitch)

    The way boxers train, workout designs and periodicity are all designed to amp up and amplify existing type 2 muscle fibers in a way that a simple 5 set 10 rep program cannot come near. SPeed and power athletes train their power systems exclusively....it is what they DO.



    These athletes will destroy you!!! leave them alone! have you ever seen Manny Pacquiao fight? He just looks like a normal guy with a shirt on.......but he could rip you in half.



    The bigger they are, the harder they fall! *unless they have function - like some professional rugby players that train their mass to be functional. If one wants to fight you - run.
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    Feb 18, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
    ...obviously a boxer, they have more endurance
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    Feb 18, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
    IH2006 saidWho Has Better Fitness Overall?

    Sylas saidIf you have even the slightest knowledge of kinesiology(the science of movement), arthrokinematics (joints/bones in motion/fulcrums and leverage), and how the two interplay...and you have been around bodybuilders and athletes, you will know FOR A FACT that bodybuilders have extremely low neurological function...Have you ever seen a pure bodybuilder try to play sports? They just look stupid, uncoordinated, and clumsy. It's a complete joke to watch.

    Both worlds collide at my gym, which is a hardcore bodybuilding gym with a boxing ring. Perhaps the better question would be whether a "pure bodybuilder" could master the mechanics of a boxing punch faster than a "pure boxer" could master bodybuilding, though perhaps that could be answered by the competitive bodybuilder in the first video below, former two time Golden Gloves champ Michael Lockett, playfully sparring with the owner of my gym, Steve Weinberger. Far more bodybuilders than you'd expect began as athletes, like famous seventies bodybuilder Franco Columbo (first a bantamweight boxer, then a powerlifter and finally a bodybuilder) the co-owner of my gym, Weinberger's wife Bev Francis herself (nationally ranked shot putter, powerlifter and former bodybuilder who I've watched spar and box), and RJ's own boxer SoDakGuy who recently announced he's training for a fitness contest. At my gym I've seen a 6'4" 275lb off season bodybuilder do a backflip and competitive bodybuilder Dave Palumbo (making a cameo in black in that first vid), who was once at 140lbs offered a track & field scholarship, do full splits 'roided and ripped at 285lbs. As to who has the better overall fitness level, my money's on the athlete-bodybuilders - the two are not mutually exclusive.



    Here are a couple of vids of flexible, gymnastic bodybuilders:





  • SoDakGuy

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    Feb 18, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    Well, you're talking about the EXCEPTIONS and not the rule.
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    Feb 19, 2011 2:20 AM GMT
    I mean no offense to the two men in the ring ( I don't know if you know them or not) but, they are Not boxers.


    The guy with the gray shirt has a fighting chance; he is quicker, more powerful and his footwork is better. They would both be destroyed in a real match. The black guy would be destroyed in a matter of seconds..most likely.

    Neither of them had stamina or endurance. Just my observations from the video. The gymnast was impressive. He was big but not SO big. Once you get so big, you start to lose a whole lot of function.

  • SoDakGuy

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    Feb 23, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    Boxers. We may not look big, but we're quick and can wallop a pretty damn good punch.

    Don't get me wrong: bodybuilders do put A LOT of work into their sport, however, boxers may look like an average guy, but don't mess w/ one.

    A mix of boxing and bodybuilding is one of the reasons why I'm doing this fitness competition. I still get to do all of my boxing training while I do a bodybuilding type of workout. It's insanity, but it's gonna rock!
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    Feb 23, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
    I haven’t boxed for about four decades, but I’m getting back into to it a bit for a workout that isn’t weight training nor is it pure cardio, but it's still just about the best cardio workout I’ve ever had. I got to be out of my mind to start this at my age, but that's the best reason I can think of for doing it. It will serve me well someday in the rest home.
  • Techboxer

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    Feb 24, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    Shortly after I first started the art of pugilism my boxing gym moved into a weight lifting gym to conserve funds. The ring and equipment were located in the back thus myself and other boxers had to walk through the gym to workout and begin our routines. After a few short weeks whenever I entered the gym I noticed the bodybuilders would completely stop and watch us as we walked past. Back then my ego wanted me to believe that it was because I was such a fine specimen of manhood, LOL! Alas such was not the case. The looks soon became strange. Befriending the clerk at the front desk I asked and he explained that the Bodybuilders had seen my fellow boxers and I in action and were intimidated by us. We had the kind of cardio stamina and endurance they wish they had. He went on to explain that their muscles required a great deal of energy and oxygen to maintain and perform at specific levels. Against us they wouldn't last 2 minutes, provided they didn't land a telling blow. My confidence swelled, but then my old fantasy of wanting to fight a bodybuilder faded into nothing as I realized it would not be the true test of strength and ability I always thought it would be.

    Keep your guard up and come out punching.