Georgia 3rd-graders plotted to attack teacher

  • NickoftheNort...

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    Apr 02, 2008 6:26 AM GMT
    Georgia 3rd-graders plotted to attack teacher
    "A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning tasks -- including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday."
    Read more at NewJersey.com

    I'm curious as to how they developed this seemingly elaborate plan. If it weren't for the "this is f*cking disturbing(!)" factor, I'd dare say that these youths have a bit of industriousness in them.
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    Apr 02, 2008 6:31 AM GMT

    They get their ideas from violent movies, television and video games.

    Parents should monitor what images their children see.

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    Apr 02, 2008 6:34 AM GMT
    the only thing i did as a middle schooler was stick gum on their chair, throw paper..and once in a while everyone in the class hanged a condom on the chalk board and the teacher got really angry..

    oh oh, and at the end of every school year, we would let loose rabbits and chicken in the play ground and set on fireworks...i was such a demon child icon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 02, 2008 1:39 PM GMT
    "The children, ages 8 and 9, were apparently mad at the teacher because she had scolded one of them for standing on a chair, Tanner said."

    Hmm... what were these kids emulating? DEAD POETS SOCIETY? ...except perhaps, the only one they want dead is the scolding teachericon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 02, 2008 2:14 PM GMT
    sounds like yet another good reason i got out of education... you'll note the lack of surprise on my face

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    Apr 02, 2008 2:20 PM GMT
    Is it my imagination or are kids in school becoming more aggressive and disrespectful? When I went to school I never heard of such incidents (60's and 70's).

    It is like the inmates are running the asylum. Any thoughts on this?
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    Apr 02, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    um, yeah... that's exactly what it's like... i only held out as long as i did in the hopes they'd create a movie about my ability to inspire thugs and cast michelle pfeifer to play me... wouldn't it be hot if coolio did a song for the soundtrack?
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    Apr 02, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidGeorgia 3rd-graders plotted to attack teacher
    "A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning tasks -- including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday."
    Read more at NewJersey.com

    I'm curious as to how they developed this seemingly elaborate plan. If it weren't for the "this is f*cking disturbing(!)" factor, I'd dare say that these youths have a bit of industriousness in them.


    Stuff like this amazes me. The creative things I could come up with as a kid were how to attain being Batman ( I was good with being Robin to ) or the belief that if I jumped off the roof and flapped my arms fast enough maybe I could really fly. Allowing my mind to journey into violence and actually plot it out like this wasn't an option. I've wondered where it comes from as well. It's possible graphic video games where you assimilate or plot out a course of action has something to do with it. A childs mind is very creative. It doesn't have too many boundaries because repercussions like death as a result of violence aren't fully understood.

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    Apr 02, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    Probably just another case of kids trying to raise kids (and "kid" parents can be any age).

    Stupid parents.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    If you can find a copy of the book "Let's Go Play At The Adams'" Read it... you will see kids are not only way smarter than people give them credit for... they can be vicious little darklings.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    jbedwards saidIs it my imagination or are kids in school becoming more aggressive and disrespectful? When I went to school I never heard of such incidents (60's and 70's).

    It is like the inmates are running the asylum. Any thoughts on this?



    I'm a child of the 80's and we didn't have this shit going on either. I don't know if you've seen that youtube of that smartass teenager on the Arizona school bus smarting off to the driver but the one thing I didn't understand was how the other students sat there and didn't tell her to shut her hole and just sit down. Instead they egged it on. It was a hot topic for a while amongst friends and co-workers and the one thing we mutually agreed upon was how little respect youth have for adults. Almost a we against them type approach.

    When I was growing up it didn't matter if you were right or wrong. The adult was in charge and if you got busted you sat down shut your face and did what you were told to do. Your friends gave you a look like just shut the fuck up. If the school called your parents the parent chewed your ass out and made sure you were disciplined properly so that you realized there was a repercussion for your actions.
    Instead, you've got kids telling an adult in charge they can't talk to them a certain way and the parent often times stands there cussing out the administration sending a message to the kid you can pretty much shit on the whole system sweetie cause mommy and daddy will protect ya.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    B787 said
    They get their ideas from violent movies, television and video games.

    Parents should monitor what images their children see.

    B787




    That is absolutely ridiculous. A person, child or not, has to be disturbed long before anything can give them that kind of idea. There is no way seeing violent images instantly turned them to violence.


    Im not saying the parents arent to blame, they most certainly are, but you cant blame a form of entertainment for influencing children like that.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:33 PM GMT
    i'm waiting for some politician to say it's the internet's fault for allowing people to rally in private. and then say the gays are doing it too to infiltrate congress

    so who's bringing the duct tape?
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:40 PM GMT
    jbedwards saidIs it my imagination or are kids in school becoming more aggressive and disrespectful? When I went to school I never heard of such incidents (60's and 70's).

    It is like the inmates are running the asylum. Any thoughts on this?

    Yes you are right i was taught to be seen and not heard when i was a kid!

    lts everywhere and they get there ideas from the TV programs and Films and as you know so many violent films coming out of the USA in particular!

    All kids seem to copy America? Dont know why the Feck they do but i remember 60s/70s we copied the clothes James Dean etc so its the sign of the Times! Here they are also changing a little but they still have respect for the Teachers in a big way and older people!

    The pop stars and Catwalks are role models for them i guess?
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:42 PM GMT
    It's time to bring back old fashioned spankings. The board of education will set them right. Didn't have all this ADD when there was the paddle. Their City government should have additional penalties for this too. This was premeditated and should have punishment to fit their age and the crime. Something like mandatory curfews with ankle monitors so they can't so much as go to the bathroom without setting off an alarm after the curfew time and, if they have them, taking away any gaming platforms.
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    Apr 02, 2008 4:44 PM GMT
    That is absolutely ridiculous. A person, child or not, has to be disturbed long before anything can give them that kind of idea. There is no way seeing violent images instantly turned them to violence.


    Im not saying the parents arent to blame, they most certainly are, but you cant blame a form of entertainment for influencing children like that.


    I think B787 perhaps overstated things a bit, but I do believe that even law-abiding kids are becoming numb to violence because they are exposed to so much of it. I just can't believe how graphic some video games are, as well as popular movies. Both of my siblings that have kids have always been very selective in what video games they bought their kids, and what movies they let them watch. They also discouraged swearing. The kids are not perfect but they excel at school, they do volunteer work, and have ambitions and plans in life (and strangely enough only one of the four drinks).

    Also some popular music since the early to mid 90's has managed to make "cool" criminal behaviour.

    All I can say is that I have no regrets growing up in the sixties when I was limited to two TV stations in black and white, and the most risque song on the radio was "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf.
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    Apr 02, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    Are we sure it wasn't Lil' Bush and the Lil' Cronies responding to the teacher's attempt to teach evolution?
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    Apr 02, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    jms84 saidi'm waiting for some politician to say it's the internet's fault for allowing people to rally in private. and then say the gays are doing it too to infiltrate congress

    so who's bringing the duct tape?


    Actually, and you're not going to believe this, I know some nut right now that swears ( not making this up ) that the college she went to had professors who were hypnotizing their students during class and "making" the guys turn gay. She's a total freak. Had a website detailing this belief which included professors names that she all thought were involved in some underground cult. She believes she was hypnotized by one of the professors into having an affair with him. I guess thats one way of pushing off your infidelity LOL.

    She wrote a short story and handed it out to her local church detailing an event where her and her bf watched a gay man hit on a straight man. Allegedly when the straight man rebuked the advances the gay man beat the straight man to death.

    She has written her state legislation begging that any and all gay rights issues be banned and that supporting such issues erodes at the very foundation of our society.

    She thinks she is getting late night prank phone calls from gay men plotting her death when the phone rings and no one is there. The college she went after got her website yanked and I haven't heard much more about what she's up to but unfortunately she's more than likely not the only freak out there that thinks like this.

    So yeah, I've got your duct tape just waiting for the finger to be pointed right back at us pesky gays. We are one powerful group of mofo's.
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    Apr 02, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    Haven't any of you read "Lord of the Flies?"

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    Apr 02, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    txguy1605 saidHaven't any of you read "Lord of the Flies?"



    had to read it in middle school, i liked it!
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    Apr 02, 2008 7:40 PM GMT
    txguy1605 saidHaven't any of you read "Lord of the Flies?"



    Yes, but that was about a bunch of kids stranded on an island. I am not sure whether that is applicable to this situation.
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    Apr 02, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    jsstennis77's story is too bizarre for words. Reminds me of a few of the profs I had in undergraduate school. Not all of them were playing with a full deck.
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    Apr 02, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    Well todays world is so different than a few years ago.

    There was such a dividing line between an adult and a child. My teachers in elementary school were adults, the kids were focused on kids and student related affairs. These days you have kids calling adults by their first names and the "division" has been blurred.

    While those points are valid, it certainly is "beyond bizarre" to have these children comptemplate what they almost did.... I can't even imagine thinking of something like that.

    For those of you to enter public schools these days.. its becoming a fortress..visitors enter and egress through one door and certainly have a valid reason for being there. Now schools have to consider this kind of thing. What a world we live in!
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    Apr 02, 2008 8:06 PM GMT
    jbedwards saidIs it my imagination or are kids in school becoming more aggressive and disrespectful? When I went to school I never heard of such incidents (60's and 70's).


    Violence in schools is as old as schools. But, for what ever reason, the media loves it now. So, back in your day jbedwards some kid got knifed in Chattanooga and you never heard about it. Now, we have a media circus for a week every time it happens.

    Though, we probably wont hear about poor or minority students outside of their media market.
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    Apr 02, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    I'm majoring in English, with a double minor of journalism and public relations. Before I get my master's Degree I want to teach some! But we have to think that these are "special needs" kids. Also there is danger everywhere now days. We need to learn to "teach" and "learn" from our kids, so we can better understand ourselves!