Doctors passing out fake sick notes to teachers in Wisconsin

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    Feb 19, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    Reported by Fox News. Will be interesting to see if this gets investigated and action taken against the doctors and teachers.
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    Feb 19, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    That's awesome! I'm so glad to see doctors supporting the union action. Apparently, it's not just the "greedy public workers" who think Scott Walker is a right wing tool. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 19, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThat's awesome! I'm so glad to see doctors supporting the union action. Apparently, it's not just the "greedy public workers" who think Scott Walker is a right wing tool. icon_lol.gif


    That's right. These liberal "doctors" are also corrupt - just like the "people" they are "helping."

    Once again we see the liberal modus operandi in action: Use any means - lawful or unlawful, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical - to achieve the liberal goals.


    What's corrupt about it? It's certainly no more corrupt than Walker's campaign being paid for by the Koch brothers. What these doctors are doing is probably on the line of lawfulness, but it's certainly the moral and ethical thing to do in the face of right-wing predation.
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidThat's awesome! I'm so glad to see doctors supporting the union action. Apparently, it's not just the "greedy public workers" who think Scott Walker is a right wing tool. icon_lol.gif


    That's right. These liberal "doctors" are also corrupt - just like the "people" they are "helping."

    Once again we see the liberal modus operandi in action: Use any means - lawful or unlawful, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical - to achieve the liberal goals.


    What's corrupt about it? It's certainly no more corrupt than Walker's campaign being paid for by the Koch brothers. What these doctors are doing is probably on the line of lawfulness, but it's certainly the moral and ethical thing to do in the face of right-wing predation.

    If you condone doctors and teachers engaging in fraudulent activity, especially the doctors possibly violating laws and medical ethics, then you are maintaining the end justifies the means. Regardless of your political position, that is a very bad precedent and can have unintended consequences. Any time laws or ethics need to be violated, you have to really question the validity of the cause.
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    Christian73 saidThat's awesome! I'm so glad to see doctors supporting the union action. Apparently, it's not just the "greedy public workers" who think Scott Walker is a right wing tool. icon_lol.gif

    That's right. These liberal "doctors" are also corrupt - just like the "people" they are "helping."

    Once again we see the liberal modus operandi in action: Use any means - lawful or unlawful, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical - to achieve the liberal goals.

    Oh, are all doctors liberal, too, now? Seems you fear Liberals around every corner. Be careful, you might run across a Liberal somewhere. I hope you're carrying a weapon to protect yourself. He might say something intelligent to you, and you'll have to shoot him dead out of self defense. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 19, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidThat's awesome! I'm so glad to see doctors supporting the union action. Apparently, it's not just the "greedy public workers" who think Scott Walker is a right wing tool. icon_lol.gif

    That's right. These liberal "doctors" are also corrupt - just like the "people" they are "helping."

    Once again we see the liberal modus operandi in action: Use any means - lawful or unlawful, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical - to achieve the liberal goals.

    Oh, are all doctors liberal, too, now? Seems you fear Liberals around every corner. Be careful, you might run across a Liberal somewhere. I hope you're carrying a weapon to protect yourself. He might say something intelligent to you, and you'll have to shoot him dead out of self defense.


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    Feb 19, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidI see the liberal hens have designated you the Head Cluck today...

    I suppose better to be a Liberal hen (whatever the Hell that's supposed to be), than a right-wing turkey like you. icon_biggrin.gif
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    southbeach1500 saidI see the liberal hens have designated you the Head Cluck today...

    I suppose better to be a Liberal hen (whatever the Hell that's supposed to be), than a right-wing turkey like you. icon_biggrin.gif


    So you mean to tell me a turkey can fly?


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    Feb 19, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidThat's awesome! I'm so glad to see doctors supporting the union action. Apparently, it's not just the "greedy public workers" who think Scott Walker is a right wing tool. icon_lol.gif


    That's right. These liberal "doctors" are also corrupt - just like the "people" they are "helping."

    Once again we see the liberal modus operandi in action: Use any means - lawful or unlawful, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical - to achieve the liberal goals.


    What's corrupt about it? It's certainly no more corrupt than Walker's campaign being paid for by the Koch brothers. What these doctors are doing is probably on the line of lawfulness, but it's certainly the moral and ethical thing to do in the face of right-wing predation.

    If you condone doctors and teachers engaging in fraudulent activity, especially the doctors possibly violating laws and medical ethics, then you are maintaining the end justifies the means. Regardless of your political position, that is a very bad precedent and can have unintended consequences. Any time laws or ethics need to be violated, you have to really question the validity of the cause.


    Socal - Don't be silly. You regularly support people - politicians in particular - who wouldn't no an ethic or moral if it bit them in the ass - Walker included. Given that he manufactured a fiscal crisis (and, yes, I read riddler's threat that Maddow messed up the dates but he still gave away $140 million to his cronies which would have mitigated the need for yet another concession from these workers, let along trying to break the union overall), the entire campaign against these workers is propagated on a fraud. So I say fight fire with fire.

    And, though I do not believe you are anti-gay per se, you do support people - like Walker - who are in bed with extremely anti-gay interests. Is that ethical or moral?
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    Art_Deco said
    southbeach1500 saidI see the liberal hens have designated you the Head Cluck today...

    I suppose better to be a Liberal hen (whatever the Hell that's supposed to be), than a right-wing turkey like you. icon_biggrin.gif

    So you mean to tell me a turkey can fly?

    Neither a chicken hen nor a turkey can fly. But they can flap their wings and make a big commotion about it, even hop into the air a bit.

    But like southbeach and some others here, they're all fuss & feathers. Lots of drama, little of delivery. icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 20, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
    this is great news to see that the public is getting behind this protest action and sticking together
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    Feb 20, 2011 12:25 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell, what we've learned today about the liberals who have posted in this thread so far is that ethics don't matter if the cause is "just."

    If the shoe was on the other foot and these were Republicans.... icon_rolleyes.gif



    Oh come on SB, join the fun !!! Hell look at all the cheer leading and the free air time Fox gives for the Tbaggers, palin Huckabee, Beck and so on to toot their horn against the dems.

    Socal should've asked for an investigation into such blatant unfairness. LOL, Oh he'll love that one !! of course I'm on Ignore cause I call em TBaggers. Ha
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    southbeach1500 saidWell, what we've learned today about the liberals who have posted in this thread so far is that ethics don't matter if the cause is "just."

    If the shoe was on the other foot and these were Republicans.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    You'd be defending them! icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:06 AM GMT


    socal, the doctors in the vid (unless it's staged) have simply signed a note saying the teacher isn't well. There's no lie in that.
    The notes in the vid DO NOT state any medical illness, but instead instructions for the recipient of such notes to call the doctor writing the note for details.

    I suspect this is a publicity stunt more than anything else to show support for the protesters.


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    Tell me, when the Tea Party of old dumped tea into Boston harbour, were they breaking any laws? It's one of the earliest examples of non-violent civil disobedience.
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:16 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]southbeach1500 said

    "I see the liberal hens have designated you the Head Cluck today..." icon_rolleyes.gif

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    So, of course you got prior permission to use this copyrighted image from Parachute Publishing LLC - right? Right? Ethics/lawfulness/morals......
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:22 AM GMT
    And Ummm ....
    What part of non-violent civil disobedience do you not understand?

    These doctors did nothing wrong
    but what they ARE doing which steams you to the core is standing in solidarity with these teachers

    ............. in YOUR eyes that's what they did wrong

    Doctors from numerous hospitals set up a station near the Capitol to provide notes covering public employees' absences. Family physician Lou Sanner, 59, of Madison, said he had given out hundreds of notes. Many of the people he spoke with seemed to be suffering from stress, he said.

    "What employers have a right to know is if the patient was assessed by a duly licensed physician about time off of work," Sanner said. "Employers don't have a right to know the nature of that conversation or the nature of that illness. So it's as valid as every other work note that I've written for the last 30 years."
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    The general flavor of some replies is:
    1) Whatever they did is ok because Republicans also do bad things.
    2) Doctors and teachers did nothing wrong, legally or ethically.

    My responses:

    1) Bad behavior by some does not excuse same by others. All legal or ethical misbehavior should be investigated and punished.
    2) Pointless to debate the legality or ethics here of the actions of either the doctors or the teachers. I think everything will be investigated, and those knowledgeable of the appropriate medical and education standards of conduct and laws in Wisconsin will make the appropriate determinations.

    I suspect many teachers will think twice before using those notes and possibly take vacation instead of sick leave to avoid creating a paper trail that will be subject to investigation. Publicizing this whole episode will not help the perception in the public's eyes.
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    lol, socal, the general tone to your reply is 'off with their heads.'

    Now about that Boston Tea party. The current tea party named themselves after it. Why?
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    socalfitness saidThe general flavor of some replies is:
    1) Whatever they did is ok because Republicans also do bad things.
    2) Doctors and teachers did nothing wrong, legally or ethically.

    My responses:

    1) Bad behavior by some does not excuse same by others. All legal or ethical misbehavior should be investigated and punished.
    2) Pointless to debate the legality or ethics here of the actions of either the doctors or the teachers. I think everything will be investigated, and those knowledgeable with the appropriate medical and education standards of conduct and laws in Wisconsin will make the appropriate determinations.

    I suspect many teachers will think twice before using those notes and possibly take vacation instead of sick leave to avoid creating a paper trail that will be subject to investigation. Publicizing this whole episode will not help their perception in the public's eyes.


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    OH BROTHER !!! THE DOC'S WROTE SOME NOTES !! SHAME ON THEM !!! CALL THE "KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR BUSINESS" COPS !!! Thats the way with Tbaggers, they want control over the conservative minutia that truly is personal business but let the big corps go.
    Your old time reasoning is why some of you old time conservatives, need to just go home and stay out of government and the public business, so the younger folk who aren't bigoted or racist can take over without all your hangups and one sided conservative. principles. I'm a boomer myself, but I'll be so glad when we boomers are replaced so all this crap with bigots and 'old time religious conservative hypocrisy" can be put behind and out of politics and governing.
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    Feb 20, 2011 4:30 AM GMT
    GQjock saidAnd Ummm ....
    What part of non-violent civil disobedience do you not understand?

    These doctors did nothing wrong
    but what they ARE doing which steams you to the core is standing in solidarity with these teachers

    ............. in YOUR eyes that's what they did wrong

    Doctors from numerous hospitals set up a station near the Capitol to provide notes covering public employees' absences. Family physician Lou Sanner, 59, of Madison, said he had given out hundreds of notes. Many of the people he spoke with seemed to be suffering from stress, he said.

    "What employers have a right to know is if the patient was assessed by a duly licensed physician about time off of work," Sanner said. "Employers don't have a right to know the nature of that conversation or the nature of that illness. So it's as valid as every other work note that I've written for the last 30 years."


    Well this conduct exemplifies what "Rules For Radicals says" and

    ---->"The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means.


    This excuse letter writing is called Professional Misconduct. But I would say, its just as bad as some other things I see around the medical community.

    Doctors are not charged with creating legal excuses to not go to work.

    I can find no better a example of professional misconduct.

    They can stand in solidarity all they want, but they cannot lend there medical license to a cause outside the treatment of a disease.




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    Feb 20, 2011 4:42 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    Doctors are not charged with creating legal excuses to not go to work.

    I can find no better a example of professional misconduct.

    They can stand in solidarity all they want, but they cannot lend there medical license to a cause outside the treatment of a disease.

    I just love fake outrage. Righties have taken this to a whole new level. It's----well, it's become an actual art form.

    Dishonest? Of course. Complete nonsense? Naturally. Entertaining as hell? You betcha!


    Doesnt matter who they are writing excuses for. Its professional misconduct and unethical.

    If you cant see that well, i hope you don't take care of any human for a living.

    Do you even see a liberal and conservative fight in day to day activities as well?

    Some things are wrong no matter who does them. Unless your biased.

    And there is no FAKE outrage. This sort of crap opened my eyes years ago to the progressive agenda.

    Any teacher that would take one of those notes is teaching the children a great lesson right? Lie to get what you want.
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    Feb 20, 2011 4:49 AM GMT
    MM, if the situation was reversed....if republicans were hiding out to boycott a democratic action....you and southbeach would be cheering on these doctors.

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    Feb 20, 2011 4:53 AM GMT
    rnch saidMM, if the situation was reversed....if republicans were hiding out to boycott a democratic action....you and southbeach would be cheering on these doctors.

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    Why dont you wait till that happens and say something then.

    Till then its a idea in your head.

    Writing any document for a patient without a good faith history and physical is wrong.

    Its wrong and unethical . The doctors in the video should know better.
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    musclmed said
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    Doctors are not charged with creating legal excuses to not go to work.

    I can find no better a example of professional misconduct.

    They can stand in solidarity all they want, but they cannot lend there medical license to a cause outside the treatment of a disease.

    I just love fake outrage. Righties have taken this to a whole new level. It's----well, it's become an actual art form.

    Dishonest? Of course. Complete nonsense? Naturally. Entertaining as hell? You betcha!


    Doesnt matter who they are writing excuses for. Its professional misconduct and unethical.

    If you cant see that well, i hope you don't take care of any human for a living.

    Do you even see a liberal and conservative fight in day to day activities as well?

    Some things are wrong no matter who does them. Unless your biased.

    And there is no FAKE outrage. This sort of crap opened my eyes years ago to the progressive agenda.

    Any teacher that would take one of those notes is teaching the children a great lesson right? Lie to get what you want.


    Your eyes were opened the last time doctors wrote sick notes for teachers protesting in Wisconsin? How often does that happen?

    I'm willing to believe you're outraged, but only because it furthers the cause of union members, same with Socal, SouthBeach, etc.

    If you have the politics that you present on here, than you support politicians and leaders that have done FAR WORSE than right a few absence notes.

    And SouthBeach and Socal regularly excuse war criminals but they're upset about this? It's too laughable to be believed.
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    Feb 20, 2011 5:36 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed said
    jprichva said
    musclmed said
    Doctors are not charged with creating legal excuses to not go to work.

    I can find no better a example of professional misconduct.

    They can stand in solidarity all they want, but they cannot lend there medical license to a cause outside the treatment of a disease.

    I just love fake outrage. Righties have taken this to a whole new level. It's----well, it's become an actual art form.

    Dishonest? Of course. Complete nonsense? Naturally. Entertaining as hell? You betcha!


    Doesnt matter who they are writing excuses for. Its professional misconduct and unethical.

    If you cant see that well, i hope you don't take care of any human for a living.

    Do you even see a liberal and conservative fight in day to day activities as well?

    Some things are wrong no matter who does them. Unless your biased.

    And there is no FAKE outrage. This sort of crap opened my eyes years ago to the progressive agenda.

    Any teacher that would take one of those notes is teaching the children a great lesson right? Lie to get what you want.


    Your eyes were opened the last time doctors wrote sick notes for teachers protesting in Wisconsin? How often does that happen?

    I'm willing to believe you're outraged, but only because it furthers the cause of union members, same with Socal, SouthBeach, etc.

    If you have the politics that you present on here, than you support politicians and leaders that have done FAR WORSE than right a few absence notes.

    And SouthBeach and Socal regularly excuse war criminals but they're upset about this? It's too laughable to be believed.



    Just because others do things that are wrong ( and not part of this conversation) doesn't detract or excuse unethical conduct.

    On RJ in non political threads I have already talked about docs who write fake handicap stickers here in Beverly Hills. Its just as wrong, and detract from my patients who are chronically ill dialysis patients.

    It gives physicians a bad name and cheapens what we do.

    If any of those physicians worked in my area, why would I ever believe a word they said? It seems to be cheap enough to xerox and give out in a rally. And to the patients that have a legtimate illness what are they to do?

    I can guarantee 9/10 doctors polled would say those acts in the videos rise to a medical board review and a serious license censure.