Firefighter refused call to Giffords shooting

  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 20, 2011 1:36 PM GMT
    From USAToday.com:

    "A veteran firefighter refused to respond to last month's deadly shooting spree that left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords wounded because he had different political views than his colleagues and 'did not want to be part of it,' according to internal city memos."

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-02-18-firefighter-giffords-dispatch_N.htm


    This guy is uncivil and in contempt towards society.
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    Feb 20, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    He's no longer a firefighter. Looks like they let him retire in just 2 days, though, I presume with his full 28-year pension. It never does say what his political views were that differed from his team, be interesting to know if he's a Teabagger, as the article implies.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 20, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
    Mr. Ekstrum's statement:

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    Feb 20, 2011 1:56 PM GMT
    "Capt. Ben Williams wrote in a report that when Ekstrum first said he would not go on the call, 'he mentioned something about 'political bantering' and he did not want to be part of it.'
    Williams said in the report that he told the 56-year-old firefighter that he could not refuse a call for that reason and then talked to the firefighter privately in his office. He said Ekstrum 'started to say something about how he had a much different political viewpoint than the rest of the crew and he was concerned.'"


    I think that Mr. Ekstrum's statement is a realization of how vile his actions were that day and he's trying to spin it to protect his reputation.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 20, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    Political views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.

  • RSportsguy

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    Feb 20, 2011 5:42 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidPolitical views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.



    I agree! Your job is to help ALL people not just the people that you agree with. He should be disciplined. I am against firing him and making him lose his pension though. One extremely timed moment of bad judgment should not out do 26 years of serving your community.
  • rnch

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    Feb 20, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said"Capt. Ben Williams wrote in a report that when Ekstrum first said he would not go on the call, 'he mentioned something about 'political bantering' and he did not want to be part of it.'
    Williams said in the report that he told the 56-year-old firefighter that he could not refuse a call for that reason and then talked to the firefighter privately in his office. He said Ekstrum 'started to say something about how he had a much different political viewpoint than the rest of the crew and he was concerned.'"


    I think that Mr. Ekstrum's statement is a realization of how vile his actions were that day and he's trying to spin it to protect his reputation.


    i am guessing that it was "suggested" that he retire...immediately icon_question.gif
  • rnch

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    Feb 20, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    RSportsguy said
    HndsmKansan saidPolitical views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.



    I agree! Your job is to help ALL people not just the people that you agree with. He should be disciplined. I am against firing him and making him lose his pension though. One extremely timed moment of bad judgment should not out do 26 years of serving your community.


    if he has/had been a firefighter for all this time; i am guessing that he did his job well.

    hoping he was able to keep his retirement after this unfortunate lapse in judgement forced his "early out".
  • rioriz

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    Feb 20, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
    Very sad and upsetting that this happened...hope the regret he feels each day is worth it...
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    Feb 20, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidMr. Ekstrum's statement:

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    "[he] became distracted to the point where [he] could not perform [his] routine station duties to the extent that [he] seriously doubted [his] ability to focus on an emergency call."

    "Point of distraction"

    He certainly picked the wrong line of work if he were unable to stay composed under pressure.

    What a load of horse shit.
  • 4travel

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    Feb 20, 2011 6:07 PM GMT
    Because of political views? Wow
    What about his religious views? If there is a screaming Catholic baby in a burning building would he refuse to go because he is another religiont?

    Police, firefighters, paramedics and the military should never have political views while serving ALL the people of their country. They can keep their political views for their off duty time.
  • KissTheSky

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    Feb 20, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
    His statement sounds like a load of horsesh*t.
    He became "distracted" about how this would "impact the country?"
    He should have found a smart friend to help him come up with a better cover story... this one doesn't pass the laugh test.
  • 4travel

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    Feb 20, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidHis statement sounds like a load of horsesh*t.
    He became "distracted" about how this would "impact the country?"
    He should have found a smart friend to help him come up with a better cover story... this one doesn't pass the laugh test.


    Guys like that don't have smart friends
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    Feb 20, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    It's bullshit. When we choose to serve in the public sector, we choose to serve ALL citizens. I don't know if firefighters swear an oath, but when I CHOSE this line of work and was accepted 10 years ago, I swore an oath to uphold the United States Constitution, the Constitution of the State of Idaho, and the laws of the Republic. I see the vile side of life every day, many of the people I don't like. But, I don't have to. I just have to treat people with respect, not for their actions, but because they're human and they're worthy of that respect.

    This foul cretin stains all public sector employees.
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    Feb 20, 2011 9:51 PM GMT
    zarin saidIt's bullshit. When we choose to serve in the public sector, we choose to serve ALL citizens.

    Unless you're a Republican politician, most of whom pledge only to serve Christian interests, and advance a Christian agenda. This is a great problem we face today in the US.
  • GQjock

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    Feb 20, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    Whatever his political views ... were .... are .... or shall be
    when you are a rescue or a medical professional you NEVER EVER do not respond
    and I'm glad he left the force

    This is why I found the "Provider Conscience Rules" that Bush put in place at he last minute horrendous
    Where .....
    Health care workers, hospitals and even entire insurance companies could decline to perform, refer or pay for abortion or any other health care practice that violates a "religious belief or moral conviction" under new rules issued by the outgoing Bush administration.
    Bush's Last-Minute 'Conscience' Rules Cause Furor
    by Julie Rovner
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98467651
    When you work in Medicine and there is the technology or procedure to help
    someone and you refuse
    That should be cause for immediate termination or punishment

    When I was training I had to work in an inner city Hospital
    and it was the time of AIDS where many or if not all of the people being treated there were going to die .... and usually a very uncomfortable death
    a student coworker of mine objected to be sent to that floor
    because he "had a child at home"
    I nearly went berserk. Not only was he shirking his responsibility to his patients but he .... by default was stating that their lives and well-being wasn't worth his effort
    I nearly came to blows with him and immediately went to the attending supervisor
    this comes under the same category
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:21 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidJust like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation.

    These were immediate medical responders to a life-threatening emergency. Not legislators considering a bill that had no particular urgency.

    Being deliberately absent from the chamber for a vote has been a tactic employed since the beginning of this Republic. Please do study your US history before making these uninformed comments.
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:23 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    southbeach1500 saidJust like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation.

    These were immediate medical responders to a life-threatening emergency. Not legislators considering a bill that had no particular urgency.

    Being deliberately absent from the chamber for a vote has been a tactic employed since the beginning of this Republic. Please do study your US history before making these uninformed comments.


    Don't worry, Art. I'm sure SB is studying hard at Beck University. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    southbeach1500 saidJust like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation.

    These were immediate medical responders to a life-threatening emergency. Not legislators considering a bill that had no particular urgency.

    Being deliberately absent from the chamber for a vote has been a tactic employed since the beginning of this Republic. Please do study your US history before making these uninformed comments.


    So the teacher's aren't "essential personnel" then, since their issues can be delayed indefinitely?
    No they aren't.. you said that yourself!
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    southbeach1500 said
    Art_Deco said
    southbeach1500 saidJust like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation.

    These were immediate medical responders to a life-threatening emergency. Not legislators considering a bill that had no particular urgency.

    Being deliberately absent from the chamber for a vote has been a tactic employed since the beginning of this Republic. Please do study your US history before making these uninformed comments.

    So the teacher's aren't "essential personnel" then, since their issues can be delayed indefinitely?

    Now you're changing your own topic, having been scotched on the issue of the Wisconsin legislators. But teachers still aren't immediate emergency medical responders, teachers having a right to call in absent, that endangers no lives. You are such an evasive weasel when it comes to debating these things.
  • mke_bt

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    Feb 21, 2011 12:53 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HndsmKansan saidPolitical views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.



    Yes!

    Just like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation. icon_wink.gif


    Right. Just like that because the senators from WI walked away from fellow citizens while they lay dying on the pavement of a parking lot. Just like that.
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    southbeach1500 said
    HndsmKansan saidPolitical views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.



    Yes!

    Just like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation. icon_wink.gif


    uratwistedbitch

    Srsly, SB, you are one twisted bitch if you cant see the magnitude of difference between not responding to an emergency and the legislators absenting themselves to delay a vote.
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    Caslon17000 said
    southbeach1500 said
    HndsmKansan saidPolitical views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.



    Yes!

    Just like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation. icon_wink.gif


    uratwistedbitch

    Srsly, SB, you are one twisted bitch if you cant see the magnitude of difference between not responding to an emergency and the legislators absenting themselves to delay a vote.
    Yes he is..
  • mke_bt

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    Feb 21, 2011 1:09 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    mke_bt said
    southbeach1500 said
    HndsmKansan saidPolitical views, race, religion.. .. NOTHING (in that way) should enter into a professionals decision in whether to perform a service. If it does, the person should be terminated.



    Yes!

    Just like those Democrat Senators in Wisconsin who refuse to perform the service that the taxpayers of Wisconsin pay them to do, which is to VOTE on legislation. icon_wink.gif


    Right. Just like that because the senators from WI walked away from fellow citizens while they lay dying on the pavement of a parking lot. Just like that.


    So go ahead and beat up "HndsmKansan" for messing up your narrative.


    I'm sorry you took his statement so literally. He was obviously talking about first responders which is the topic of this thread. To think he meant a state senator shouldn't take politics into consideration is just being thick headed.
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    Feb 21, 2011 1:14 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    Christian73 saidDon't worry, Art. I'm sure SB is studying hard at Beck University. icon_lol.gif

    I was thinking of applying myself, just for fun, but I misplaced the matchbook cover.


    Good luck finding a way to make room in your home for all the chalk boards.