Are We Our Own Worst Enemy?

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    Feb 20, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
    With everything that has been happening over the past few days, nay decades, have we become our own worst enemy? With two major wars being fought in the Middle East and Asia, an enormous debt and deficit problem, bases and military personnel stretched thin around the world, constant bitching and fighting, an utterly corrupt two-party system, a hugely distorted view of 'American Exceptionalism,' and fear of the so-called 'other,' it seems like we are at a breaking point some days. To me, it seems like we are not different than Ancient Rome, Great Britain, France, Spain, and Portugal; countries that, at one time, had ENORMOUS empires and fortunes but found themselves spread too thin with wars, revolutions, in-fighting, greed and so on.

    I don't mean to sound anti-American; I'm simply an independent voter trying to take a rational, level-headed look at things.

    Thoughts?
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    Feb 20, 2011 10:57 PM GMT
    Start learning Chinese and good laundry techniques now before the rush.
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
    Columbusite saidWith everything that has been happening over the past few days, nay decades, have we become our own worst enemy? With two major wars being fought in the Middle East and Asia, an enormous debt and deficit problem, bases and military personnel stretched thin around the world, constant bitching and fighting, an utterly corrupt two-party system, a hugely distorted view of 'American Exceptionalism,' and fear of the so-called 'other,' it seems like we are at a breaking point some days. To me, it seems like we are not different than Ancient Rome, Great Britain, France, Spain, and Portugal; countries that, at one time, had ENORMOUS empires and fortunes but found themselves spread too thin with wars, revolutions, in-fighting, greed and so on.

    I don't mean to sound anti-American; I'm simply an independent voter trying to take a rational, level-headed look at things.

    Thoughts?


    I think perhaps a few qustions might be useful in order to illuminate possibilities.

    Let's assume we are our own worst enemy. Give us current examples of how that has been manifested.

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    Feb 21, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    Before we start fighting other ppl battles we need to clean house, take out the garbage and straighten up our own act. That would be leading by example.
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:38 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Columbusite saidWith everything that has been happening over the past few days, nay decades, have we become our own worst enemy? With two major wars being fought in the Middle East and Asia, an enormous debt and deficit problem, bases and military personnel stretched thin around the world, constant bitching and fighting, an utterly corrupt two-party system, a hugely distorted view of 'American Exceptionalism,' and fear of the so-called 'other,' it seems like we are at a breaking point some days. To me, it seems like we are not different than Ancient Rome, Great Britain, France, Spain, and Portugal; countries that, at one time, had ENORMOUS empires and fortunes but found themselves spread too thin with wars, revolutions, in-fighting, greed and so on.

    I don't mean to sound anti-American; I'm simply an independent voter trying to take a rational, level-headed look at things.

    Thoughts?


    I think perhaps a few qustions might be useful in order to illuminate possibilities.

    Let's assume we are our own worst enemy. Give us current examples of how that has been manifested.



    How about when politicians or wannabes (i.e. Sarah Palin since she no longer holds an office) use divisive language. I'm specifically referring to the term "real Americans." It does not matter what part of the country you reside in, what your ethnicity is, your country of origin, how many generations of family you can trace back in this country, nor what your job is. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, you are a real American.
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    Feb 21, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
    Hillie saidBefore we start fighting other ppl battles we need to clean house, take out the garbage and straighten up our own act. That would be leading by example.


    Well, that is sort of my philosophy also. To that end, my burial plot was paid for decades ago, the undertaker has my instructions and has been paid, I have no debt except utility bills that come monthly, I have a roof, pull most of my food off the farming operation here nearby, and I am fairly independent. My house is in order.

    I assume being thus prepared is to what you refer?
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    Feb 21, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    creature says, "Give us current examples of how that has been manifested."

    The fact that there are people in this country who actually take Sarah Palin seriously shows that we are our own worst enemy.
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    Feb 21, 2011 1:08 AM GMT
    well undeniably, success and prosperity have made Americand soft and stupid . . . they yearned and worked for security but their progeny found sloth . . .


    . . . conservatism made several unholy deals for which it is now paying dearly . . . the question, the only interesting question, is do the American masses still retain the necessary ethos to live as free peoples . . .

    . . . i think the answer, sadly, is increasingly clear . . . and the totalitarians among us like "Christian" will have their little frolic for a while . . .but then they will be appalled by the body count and the blood on their hands and will retrench, sickened by their own blood lust
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    Feb 21, 2011 2:55 AM GMT
    Yes. We elected a Muslim.
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    Feb 21, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    FearTheFall saidYes. We elected a Muslim.


    So, You have seen him perform Salah? He wouldn't be able to get out of that obligation, and the world coudn't miss him turning toward Mecca five times a day.
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    Feb 21, 2011 3:28 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Hillie saidBefore we start fighting other ppl battles we need to clean house, take out the garbage and straighten up our own act. That would be leading by example.


    Well, that is sort of my philosophy also. To that end, my burial plot was paid for decades ago, the undertaker has my instructions and has been paid, I have no debt except utility bills that come monthly, I have a roof, pull most of my food off the farming operation here nearby, and I am fairly independent. My house is in order.

    I assume being thus prepared is to what you refer?


    Sure being prepared in that sense is great, in fact that is a very responsible and progressive example. But what about taking care of our/your own (ok this may come out very socialist). What about those who are living within the United Sates and Canada who have for all intents and purposes fallen by the way side? With ever increasing populations that falls into the at risk of being homeless (over 30% of your income going towards housing), the declining social and physical health spiral that has been generated, or our extreme consumption levels which we have begun to think is our right. The question becomes how did we create these problems, how did they become acceptable, and how are we as individuals and as a collective going to demand change and progress from not just our governments, but also transnational corporations and other respected organizations of power?