Representative Gordon Hintz on the "Budget repair bill" in Wisconsin

  • grnranger99

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    Feb 21, 2011 2:23 AM GMT
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  • GQjock

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    Feb 21, 2011 10:48 AM GMT
    In the Inimitable words of the Boehner ......

    So be it

    This is nothing about democracy
    it's nothing about budget reduction either
    .... it's all about stopping your political opposition

    The Ghost of Tom Delay and the K Street project lives on
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    Feb 21, 2011 11:44 AM GMT
    I think I've found a new political crush.

    Typical Republican dirty tricks. I'm glad he's standing up to them.

    BTW, 65% of Wisconsinites now believe that Walker has gone too far with his opposition to collective bargaining. In other words, he's losing the PR battle. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 21, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidI think I've found a new political crush.

    Typical Republican dirty tricks. I'm glad he's standing up to them.

    BTW, 65% of Wisconsinites now believe that Walker has gone too far with his opposition to collective bargaining. In other words, he's losing the PR battle. icon_lol.gif


    I'm glad to hear about the 65%
    I am so tired of America blindly following this straw man that is deficit reduction when the republican party is only playing ear service to that cause as it is
    and playing against the middle class and its interests all the way
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    Feb 21, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidI think I've found a new political crush.

    Typical Republican dirty tricks. I'm glad he's standing up to them.

    BTW, 65% of Wisconsinites now believe that Walker has gone too far with his opposition to collective bargaining. In other words, he's losing the PR battle...


    ... according to "Building a Stronger Wisconsin!"

    “We designed this poll to be a fair test of the Walker proposals and reached out to more than 600 Wisconsin voters. They have responded overwhelmingly that they think this proposal just goes too far,” explained Randy Nash, Executive Director Building a Stronger Wisconsin.


    And just what is "Building a Stronger Wisconsin?"

    Building a Stronger Wisconsin is an independent Democrat/socialist advocacy organization whose purpose is to publicly promote policies that maintain Wisconsin's high quality of life taxes and high state budgets.

    Building a Stronger Wisconsin helps increase public awareness propaganda discussing the importance of unionized and public sector job growth, quality educationbloated benefits packages for teachers, affordable socialized health care, fair taxation increases on households that pay income taxes - which are the minority as most households pay no income taxes, and a strong infrastructure rampant government waste.

    Building a Stronger Wisconsin believes without investment higher taxes, more borrowing and more spending in schools teacher's union thugs, roads to nowhere, regulation of utilities, housing and health care paid for by the few taxpayers left in the state, we will not be able to build the stronger socialist Wisconsin necessary to
    maintaining the illusion of high quality of living our citizens have come to expect.


    That looks like it took a while. Quiet in Miami today?
  • rnch

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    Feb 21, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidI think I've found a new political crush.

    Typical Republican dirty tricks. I'm glad he's standing up to them.

    BTW, 65% of Wisconsinites now believe that Walker has gone too far with his opposition to collective bargaining. In other words, he's losing the PR battle...


    ... according to "Building a Stronger Wisconsin!"

    “We designed this poll to be a fair test of the Walker proposals and reached out to more than 600 Wisconsin voters. They have responded overwhelmingly that they think this proposal just goes too far,” explained Randy Nash, Executive Director Building a Stronger Wisconsin.


    And just what is "Buildin
  • rnch

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    Feb 21, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI think I've found a new political crush.

    Typical Republican dirty tricks. I'm glad he's standing up to them.

    BTW, 65% of Wisconsinites now believe that Walker has gone too far with his opposition to collective bargaining. In other words, he's losing the PR battle. icon_lol.gif



    walker has "screwed the pooch" very early on in his political "career". he has already made himself "un-reelectable".

    IF the man had any decency (which he obviously does not) he would resign now and slither away into the political sunset.
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    Feb 21, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    The representative is DEAD on with his remarks.
  • mke_bt

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    Feb 21, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidThe representative is DEAD on with his remarks.


    Indeed. This gentleman has made a real connection with the fair minded working people of WI. He's the type of guy Wisconsinites can relate to. He's our brother, son, uncle, next door neighbor. He is US.
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    Feb 21, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI think I've found a new political crush.

    Typical Republican dirty tricks. I'm glad he's standing up to them.

    BTW, 65% of Wisconsinites now believe that Walker has gone too far with his opposition to collective bargaining. In other words, he's losing the PR battle. icon_lol.gif




    The longer that Walker and the out-of-control WI Repubs continue to pursue this power grab, and refuse to negotiate with the unions and the Dems in a fair and bipartisan way, the more damage they'll do to themselves.
    And that damage will spread to the public perception of the Repubs in Washington as well.
    If Boehner and the Repubs in D.C. are smart, they'll step in and strong arm Walker into backing down ASAP.
  • mke_bt

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    Feb 21, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidThe longer that Walker and the out-of-control WI Repubs continue to pursue this power grab, and refuse to negotiate with the unions and the Dems in a fair and bipartisan way, the more damage they'll do to themselves.
    And that damage will spread to the public perception of the Repubs in Washington as well.


    RIght... .since 64% of Americans don't support unions.... good luck with that!


    We all know how good you are with percentages. Still trying to work out that 5.8% pension thing?
  • rnch

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    Feb 21, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 saidThe longer that Walker and the out-of-control WI Repubs continue to pursue this power grab, and refuse to negotiate with the unions and the Dems in a fair and bipartisan way, the more damage they'll do to themselves.
    And that damage will spread to the public perception of the Repubs in Washington as well.


    RIght... .since 64% of Americans don't support unions.... good luck with that!



    SB, just because you think it's so doesn't mean that it actually is true...
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    Feb 21, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
    "This video has been removed..." ?

    The head of the teachers' union in Wisconsin reportedly advised "sick" state teachers to go back to work.

    Wisconsin is ground zero for an overdue confrontation with national implications.

    This battle is between statists who think they deserve a cushy living on the backs of taxpayers versus the fed-up taxpayers.

    That's one reason statist Obama and his operatives are interfering.

    Gov. Scott Walker is right -- Obama should be balancing the federal budget instead of trying to derail the balancing of Wisconsin's budget.

    Every day pampered state employees and run-away Democrat state senators play their screw-the-taxpayer games, the less public support they have and deserve.




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    jockfever said"This video has been removed..." ?

    The head of the teachers' union in Wisconsin reportedly advised "sick" state teachers to go back to work.

    Wisconsin is ground zero for an overdue confrontation with national implications.

    This battle is between statists who think they deserve a cushy living on the backs of taxpayers versus the fed-up taxpayers.

    That's one reason statist Obama and his operatives are interfering.

    Gov. Scott is right -- Obama should be balancing the federal budget instead of trying to derail the balancing of Wisconsin's budget.

    Every day pampered state employees and run-away Democrat state senators play their screw-the-taxpayer games, the less public support they have and deserve.


    "Statist" does not mean what you are implying it means by your use of it. Please stop using words you don't understand.

    The "pampered" workers in Wisconsin have had 16 unpaid furlough days in the past two years, they accepted a 5% pay cut last year, they agreed to another pay cut, a reduction in benefits and paying part of their pension.
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    Feb 21, 2011 10:23 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Christian73 said...
    "Statist" does not mean what you are implying it means by your use of it. Please stop using words you don't understand.

    The "pampered" workers in Wisconsin have had 16 unpaid furlough days in the past two years, they accepted a 5% pay cut last year, they agreed to another pay cut, a reduction in benefits and paying part of their pension. [/quote]


    jf, just like sb, doesn't want to be confused with the facts.
  • GQjock

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    Feb 21, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    Pampered State workers ...................

    There are NO teachers working in this country working in the State systems who are pampered
    These workers have already given concessions and they have stated they would give back more but that wasn't enough for This "Governor"
    which goes to prove

    ................... it ain't about the money sweetheart

    You know - I find it funny
    The teabaggers are all about shrinking Government and making Government less intrusive
    Well here ya go Boys ................... how much more intrusive do you want them to be where the government dictates by edict
    *** how much you make
    *** what you're hours will be
    *** your working conditions
    *** and who gets fired and hired

    kind of a conundrum wrapped in an enigma huh? Not really...... its as plain as noticing Boehner"s fake tan
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    Christian73: "Statist" does not mean what you are implying it means by your use of it. Please stop using words you don't understand. The "pampered" workers in Wisconsin have had 16 unpaid furlough days in the past two years, they accepted a 5% pay cut last year, they agreed to another pay cut, a reduction in benefits and paying part of their pension.

    mch: jf, just like sb, doesn't want to be confused with the facts.


    jockfever: While state employees get furlough days, private sector employees become unemployed.

    Statists call the Governor of Wisconsin "Midwest Mussolini"; they imagine that his efforts to curb bloated union power are like events in Nazi Germany; and they feel like Madison is Cairo. Statists deal in feelings and superstitions, not facts.


    Obama-Pelosi-Reid added 200,000 more federal bureaucrats. They added about $5 trillion to the national debt, and they are trying to nationalize health care. How about another 200,000 bureaucrats? How about another $5 trillion in spending? Would that be enough? It's never enough for a statist -- never enough government taxing, spending, borrowing, regulating, bureaucrats, intrusion, waste, madness. Speaking of madness... madness is like a statist babbling about a conservative's understanding of the word "statist".

    As noted elsewhere on RJ, polls indicate that the public is supporting Governor Walker by 48% versus 38% for the public employee unions.

    The average Wisconsin state teacher compensation is $78,000 a year for about 180 work days (according to the Washington Times). That's over $400 a day in compensation. If you think the average private sector employee in Wisconsin gets anything near that, you're probably a pampered statist.

    In his column today (2/22/11), George Will makes several good points.

    This capital has been convulsed by government employees sowing disorder in order to repeal an election. A minority of the minority of Wisconsin residents who work for government (300,000 of them) are resisting changes to benefits that most of Wisconsin's 5.6 million residents resent financing.

    Serene at the center of this storm sits Republican Scott Walker, 43, in the governor's mansion library, beneath a portrait of Ronald Reagan. Walker has seen this movie before.

    As Milwaukee County executive, he had similar dustups with government workers unions, and when the dust settled, he was resoundingly re-elected, twice. If his desire to limit collective bargaining by such unions to salary issues makes him the "Midwest Mussolini" — some protesters did not get the memo about the new civility — other supposed offenses include wanting state employees to contribute 5.8 percent of their pay to their pension plans (most pay less than 1 percent), which would still be less than the average in the private sector.

    He also wants them to pay 12.6 percent of the cost of their healthcare premiums, up from about 6 percent, but still much less than the private sector average.

    He campaigned on this. Union fliers distributed during the campaign attacked his "5 and 12" plan. He says his brother, a hotel banquet manager, and his sister-in-law, who works at Sears, "would love to have" what he is offering the unions.

    He does, however, think there is sincerity unleavened by information: Many protesters do not realize that most worker protections, merit hiring; just cause for discipline and termination, are the result not of collective bargaining but of Wisconsin's uniquely strong and century-old civil service law.

    "I am convinced," he says, "this is about money, but not the employees' money." It concerns union dues, which he wants the state to stop collecting for the unions, just as he wants annual votes by state employees on re-certifying the unions.

    He says many employees pay $500 to $600 annually in union dues — teachers pay up to $1,000. Given a choice, many might prefer to apply this money to healthcare premiums or retirement plans. And he thinks "eventually" most will say about the dues collectors, What do we need this for?

    Such unions are government organized as an interest group to lobby itself to do what it always wants to do anyway — grow. These unions use dues extracted from members to elect their members' employers. And governments, not disciplined by the need to make a profit, extract government employees' salaries from taxpayers. Government sits on both sides of the table in cozy "negotiations" with unions.

    A few days after Obama submitted a budget that would increase the federal deficit, he tried to sabotage Wisconsin's progress toward solvency. The Washington Post: "The president's political machine worked in close coordination . . . with state and national union officials to mobilize thousands of protesters to gather in Madison and to plan similar demonstrations in other state capitals."

    Walker notes that in the 1990s, Wisconsin was a trend-setter regarding school choice and welfare reform. Obama, he thinks, may be worried that Wisconsin might again be a harbinger.

    He also thinks Obama's intervention demonstrates why presidents should serve apprenticeships as governors. He says that Obama, in the Illinois Legislature and the U.S. Senate, "was a liberal among liberals," and liberals are his base, and his staff comes from it. Governors, Walker says, get used to considering the interests of broad constituencies.

    Walker's calm comportment in this crisis is reminiscent of President Reagan's during his 1981 stand against the illegal strike by air traffic controllers, and Margaret Thatcher's in the1984 showdown with the miners' union over whether unions or Parliament would govern Britain.

    Walker, by a fiscal seriousness contrasting with Obama's lack thereof, and Obama, by inciting defenders of the indefensible, have made three things clear:

    First, the Democratic Party is the party of government, not only because of its extravagant sense of government's competence and proper scope, but also because the party's base is government employees.

    Second, government employees have an increasingly adversarial relationship with the governed.

    Third, Obama's "move to the center" is fictitious.

    http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/wisconsin-union/2011/02/22/id/386916

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    Feb 23, 2011 4:10 AM GMT
    jockfever,

    Obama is trying to socialize health care? Well, when he campaigned for President, he did say that he wanted single-payer universal health care.

    Not only did Obama win the electoral vote, but the popular vote as well.
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    jockfever saidChristian73: "Statist" does not mean what you are implying it means by your use of it. Please stop using words you don't understand. The "pampered" workers in Wisconsin have had 16 unpaid furlough days in the past two years, they accepted a 5% pay cut last year, they agreed to another pay cut, a reduction in benefits and paying part of their pension.

    mch: jf, just like sb, doesn't want to be confused with the facts.


    jockfever: While state employees get furlough days, private sector employees become unemployed.

    Statists call the Governor of Wisconsin "Midwest Mussolini"; they imagine that his efforts to curb bloated union power are like events in Nazi Germany; and they feel like Madison is Cairo. Statists deal in feelings and superstitions, not facts.




    Again, you don't know what "statist" means and are using it incorrectly. To then go on and post a bunch of nonsense from Newsmax just makes you look ignorant.
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    Feb 23, 2011 5:19 AM GMT

    mch: jf, just like sb, doesn't want to be confused with the facts.

    jockfever: While state employees get furlough days, private sector employees become unemployed.

    Statists call the Governor of Wisconsin "Midwest Mussolini"; they imagine that his efforts to curb bloated union power are like events in Nazi Germany; and they feel like Madison is Cairo. Statists deal in feelings and superstitions, not facts.


    Mussolini was from Nazi Germany? Better get you dictators straight.